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latecomer91364 said:
Hel_Books said:
latecomer91364 said:
How many clips do I need to show you where 'important' leftards like Tim Walz, AOC and Chuck Schumer have called IDE, and Trump Nazis, Fascists and a 'danger to democracy?

Even after Charlie Kirk's assassination and the deadly assault on the ICE facility in Texas this morning, you evil leftfucks will try to say 'There's nothing to see here.'

This is just more proof that you and your whole violent, leftist ilk need to enjoy our prison system for the rest of your lives.
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From Donald Trump's incitement to riot on 6 January to his extrajudicial killings of those people in boats off the coast of Venezuela, to the attacks on Paul Pelosi to the murder of Melissa Hortman, the right-wing is engaging in a "trickle-down" theory of murder.
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latecomer91364 said:
More lies:

Trump said nothing to incite January 6 - you hang your lies on "Fight fight fight." The boat bombings are 100% legal, Paul Pelosi was attacked by a deranged leftist illegal alien, and Melissa Hortman was killed in retaliation, by a leftist, who said it was because of her opposition to abortion rights.

Making shit up just doesn't work for you rabid leftists.
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Giggle.

Your (34 felonies) President is desperately trying to gin up charges against political opponents (still going after James Comey even though he's got nothing, just to harass him) so imagine if a left-winger had incited a riot to attack your national Capitol! Imagine the screams for prosecution of the inciter!

You're the one "making shit up" as it was Vance Boelter who killed Melissa Hortman because of her support for abortion rights and David DePape, who attacked Paul Pelosi and wanted to kidnap Speaker Pelosi, was a far-right conspiracy nut into QAnon, Pizzagate etc. etc. etc.

As far as killing people who haven't even been charged, much less convicted of any crimes, well, that is murder, wouldn't you say? Your President murdered those people on those boats.
 
YDB95 said:
Cue JohnEngelman and "But Charles Murray says..." in 5,4,3...
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Charles Murray is one of my heroes. :)

So is Jared Taylor, although he banned me for praising Jews and East Asians. :(

Jared Taylor admires them too, but a lot of posters on his website resent them because of their high average IQs, and the success and prosperity it enables them to earn. :oops:
 
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Those posters hate me and complained about me. like some of the posters here, it would seem. :eek:
 
YDB95 said:
He also had a history of doxxing his opponents, leading to a lot of threats of violence that technically didn't come from him. Nothing worse than a bully who inspires others to do the dirty work like that.
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proof or just some more bullshit you made up
 
latecomer91364 said:
It's sad but funny watching soulless, gullible leftards continuing to espouse the lies they've been told - without once bothering to check if these lies could actually be true.

Just shows you you what kind of moldering shit these people are made of.
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yep, these left wing retards are ... mentally deranged and morally bankrupt sucks to be them
 
YDB95 said:
Project, project, project.
If you've got evidence that anything we're claiming is a lie, by all means provide it. But saying it doesn't make it so.
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you are one of the biggest liar's on this website, Andrew.
 
SkyBubble said:
https://www.city-journal.org/article/charlie-kirk-murder-speech-violence

It was grimly fitting that Charlie Kirk was slain on a college campus—source of the “hate speech equals violence” ethic that demonizes opponents and demands that they be silenced.
Not even Utah Valley University is immune.

On August 31, 2025, a Change.org petition titled “Stop Charlie Kirk From Spreading Hate on Utah Campuses” started circulating. Motivated by Kirk’s upcoming appearances at Utah Valley University and Utah State University, the petition embraced the equations favored by student narcissists everywhere when those students seek to censor and exclude:


The petition dressed up those equations with the familiar tropes of student sanctimony and fragility:


These hothouse phrases are usually associated with the denizens of the Ivy League and other selective colleges, but the ideology of totalitarian safetyism has spread to every college campus that is not explicitly and militantly countercultural—including, it would seem, Utah Valley University.

Commenters among the petition’s alleged 6,700 signatories demonstrated their own mastery of the rhetoric of suppression and exclusion. Self-described “UVU alum” William, from the Provo suburb of Orem, wrote: “I am incredibly disappointed in [UVU] President [Astrid] Tuminez for giving a platform to a man who attacks the rights of women, LGBTQ, people of color, and other marginalized Americans. Do not be fooled, this is not a question of free speech and open debate, Kirk himself does not respect such ideas. This is an example of the paradox of tolerance, where we must deny the intolerant lest they make any tolerance a thing of the past.”

The core tenet of repressive academic safetyism—that officially designated student victim groups are dangerously vulnerable to meanie “haters”—is laughably delusional. There have been few more pampered and richly endowed individuals than early twenty-first century American students. Yet they are encouraged to think of themselves as “unsafe” by the very adults who should be leading them toward a grounded understanding of reality. And that is because the adults on campus are even more invested than students in maintaining the hegemony of leftism—a belief system enabled in part by the conceits of fragility and dangerous “haters.”

Equally ludicrous: the notion that it is conservatives like Kirk who hate and who are “intolerant,” and not the campus scourges. Whole academic disciplines are organized around vilifying whites for white privilege and white supremacy. The banshee mobs who shut down conservative guest speakers do not radiate tolerance and good will.

And now that counterfactual ideology of safetyism has spread widely and has reached its logical lethal conclusion. Kirk was gunned down by a sniper’s bullet after cheerfully tossing out MAGA hats to a crowd of thousands at Utah Valley University. A few hours later, MSNBC political commentator Matthew Dowd explained Kirk’s responsibility for his own assassination: “Hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.” (MSNBC subsequently terminated Dowd’s contract.)

Kirk never expressed “hate” toward allegedly “marginalized Americans.” He disagreed with propositions that classify some groups as inherently oppressed and other groups as inherent oppressors, based on those groups’ race and sex. He disagreed that sex and gender are social constructs. He disagreed that immigration levels should be determined by illegal entrants to the country, not by American citizens. And he expressed his disagreement through civil debate. Attendees at his “Prove Me Wrong” college lectures who disagreed with him were given priority among audience questioners so that they could challenge his views. Far from being a “hater,” Kirk was the sunniest personality on the MAGA right—buoyant, optimistic, and eager to engage with those who hated him.

Matthew Dowd’s version of the campus hate formulae is admittedly garbled. He seems to designate the murderous reaction to Kirk’s alleged “hateful thoughts” and “hateful words” as part of the causal chain of “hate.” The purer version of the formulae is provided by the assassination itself: because “haters” and “hate speech” are a “threat” to student safety, both must be eliminated by any means necessary.

This sense of entitlement to commit violence in the name of tolerance and social justice has become a primary characteristic of the Left. To be sure, the Right has its thugs who ambush and attack politicians, but their numbers are dwarfed by the routine violence of members of the Left. That leftist sense of entitlement unites Antifa, the Ferguson and George Floyd race rioters, the Los Angeles anti-ICE rioters, the destroyers of statues, the arsonists who torch cars and police precincts, the mass looters, the stalkers of judges, the assailants of conservative college speakers. It bred the assassination of a health-care executive, presumably the attempted assassinations of Donald Trump, and now apparently the murder of Charlie Kirk. A dinner conversation in the murderer’s household before the assassination centered around how Kirk was “full of hate and spreading hate,” according to Utah governor Spencer Cox.

The January 6 Capitol riot, that favorite retort of the elites to conservative claims of regular leftist violence, was a pathetic and deplorable tantrum of the deceived. But it was a one-off act of violence whose physical gravity pales in comparison to the repeated anarchy of the Left.

It was grimly fitting that Kirk was murdered on a college campus, the source of the “hate speech equals violence” ethic that demonizes philosophical opponents and creates a presumption that those opponents must be silenced for the good of America’s endemic victims. Kirk was breaking the stranglehold of that pitiless ideology over its intended targets—college students—giving them the courage to speak their minds in the face of institutional power. Kirk would not be silenced in life, and he will not be silenced in death—others will take up the banner of dissent and will be more determined than ever to challenge academic fictions. In the short term, however, it is hard to see how Turning Point USA continues in its present form in the absence of its charismatic leader.

Charlie Kirk’s death has given President Donald Trump’s efforts to reform campus culture even greater urgency. It is too late to call back the products of that culture who are now ensconced throughout elite institutions. But we can at least reduce the rate at which their successors are bred.
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The problem with ideology is the term "ideology". Those who espouse ideology - both left and right - hate ideas. They also have no idea. The Left and Right are not just brother and sister - they are fucking conjoined twins. Both sides point at each other and accuse the other of being delusional. I say, it's not about right-or-wrong it's "What flavour would you like your delusion?" and no, I'm not going to repeat the menu, we have literally thousands of flavors! You really want the entire list? Do you have a job or any place to be? Then no, I can't. Both sides use ideology as a pseudo-moralistic Cloak of Invisibility to virtue-signal and ascend to a Plane of Faux Morality earned by doing Jack Shit. Yeah, the left has gotten this country into a bad spot and yeah, the right watched it all unfold over decades and their response? "I'll pray". Prayer is, yes, a very powerful thing. It makes the person praying feel so so so self-satisfied and without that pesky burden of any cost...no effort, nothing given and happily, not even requiring a bit of sincerity! And I know, which is very very disconcerting to those in the churc...cult I grew up in. Any cult researchers ever hear of the Baptist Church? Well...I'm an ex-member and I'm out but alive. Barely. They hate me because while they'd LOVE to claim I'm simply ignorant (and they do), sadly, when they make the mistake of dialogue they find very quickly I know what the fuck I'm talking about. God dammit...hu-MANs. Look, I apologize...I don't mean to sound crabby. I'm just...it's my anniversary. The anniversary of the day I arrived here on my mission. I was supposed to get back, you know and fuck CERN for closing that window forever. I'm...okay. I just get irritated now and then and it...spills out. Forget it. hu-MANs are...you are alright. I enjoy many things about this place. It's a bit...few of you (unless there are other travelers and I have not met any) can truly understand what it is like inhabiting a world that is not yours. I mean, LITERALLY. It would be better if I were to just forget but that is not possible. And now? I know with certainty I cannot get back. So this is it. And I can say that because what are mine going to do? Nothing. And I could tell anyone here and they'll smile politely and excuse themselves. I'll be my usual...mock-worthy self tomorrow. It's just...never mind.
 
Interesting verbiage..." demonizes opponents and demands that they be silenced". Yes. Both sides do that. Both. In fact, I saw multiple videos today that used the very term "demon" to describe leftists. In fact, what is that book the conservatives love to much? The "Big Book of Bullshit"? No, Holy Bible, that's it! It mentions demons. I think that's where the right gets that term, in fact. Pretty sure. Now I totally anticipate the conclusion some are drawing "oh, he thinks he's better". No. What is this fetish hu-MANs have with rank-ordering? Realize that "different" and "better/worse" are not the same. I'm not better. Arguably, while I'm not "worse" my ability to function on a planet (really, dimension) not my own makes me appear very much "worse". So if it makes you all feel better? I'm worse. You are all (presumably all, until someone tells me otherwise) home...I am not home...so, I will be "worse". You are welcome to do YOUR worst. Ya wanna shoot me? Go for it. I will say, the results will not be anything you expect and....I'll stop. You should probably not take me up on my invitation. What will I do? Nothing! Nothing at all. But it won't go as planned. So maybe just stick to raw hatred which I gotta say - both sides do really, really well. I mean, superb. Sublime, even. And you may think I am being conceptual, but I am being very literal and I know, for reasons that as curious as some may be, you really, truly do NOT want me to explain. And I'm just not holding back because today is very "special". I will be more what everyone is used to, tomorrow. Humor is amazing. It is my prayer. So the left can shout their delusion, the right can pray their delusion. My version of prayer is humor. Humor is an amazing thing and a few people are so glad I found it because they don't know this and I'll never tell them but they are "alive" because I converted. (Alive in quotes because - well, you won't understand until after it happens - nobody dies but that also is NOT giving any credence to any of the various versions you all have of the so-called "afterlife". You all have been through this before. I know you don't know or believe me. But you have. You call it "being born". You remember being a "fetus"? No. You don't. I watched you. When it came time for you to be born? You literally thought you were dying! Not just you, the entire Universe! You were so sure! I don't blame you! There's a reason you cannot remember.).
 
You all hate. This is something The Larger discuss but no conclusion has been reached. It's the system that you are immersed in. Your system is built on the idea of cost. That is not even normal. Look, I can't say too much because...I can't. Your "creator"? It is not well regarded. That is why it's own "rebelled". And that's all now in some story that really took off! What you all call "evil" is neither necessary nor even normal. There. I said it. I won't say it again, nor am I apologizing.
 
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