Anabolic steroids

[Name_taken]

what he said!

 

[TBKahuna123]

You know, I actually thought about trying steroids this week, probably prompted by this thread. Now, not "seriously", but a what if? I'm woefully out of shape due to my crazy summer, and I have hockey starting in a few weeks. Steroids would certainly help me gain some of that muscle mass I've lost, but at what cost? So why would I want to try steroids? Laziness.

I'm sorry, but that's what it seems like to me, laziness. I can't see any other reasons anyone would do steroids.

 

[PowerLifter84]

You primarily have two groups of people who use AAS: Those who do so to look good and attract women on the beach, and those who make it a lifestyle and possibly compete at a high level.

If training is a lifestyle and your diet and program is zero'd in, AAS can be an option but if you're worried about 20" biceps and don't know shit about the basic physiology of the human body, then you have no reason to use.

 

[Name_taken]

You primarily have two groups of people who use AAS: Those who do so to look good and attract women on the beach, and those who make it a lifestyle and possibly compete at a high level.

If training is a lifestyle and your diet and program is zero'd in, AAS can be an option but if you're worried about 20" biceps and don't know shit about the basic physiology of the human body, then you have no reason to use.

I tell people the same thing.

There are two kinds who do drugs:

- Those who eat, sleep and live the bodybuilding lifestyle, AAS are just another step when you have reached your natural potential.

- Those who wanna get big NOW! These are the guys who don't know what they are doing and will most likely hurt themselves or go 'roid-rage on someone.
These are also the people that give AAS a bad name. (Personally, I think smoking is worse!)

For the record, I have never used AAS. I have thought about it and could get some w/o problems, but I just don't need 'em!

 

[TBKahuna123]

I tell people the same thing.

There are two kinds who do drugs:

- Those who eat, sleep and live the bodybuilding lifestyle, AAS are just another step when you have reached your natural potential.

I'm sorry but I just can't buy that. If you are that serious about bodybuilding, then doesn't using steroids defeat the purpose? If you have reached your NATURAL potential, then anything you gain after that is artificial. Where's the achievement in that? It's a false and fake result.

- Those who wanna get big NOW! These are the guys who don't know what they are doing and will most likely hurt themselves or go 'roid-rage on someone.
These are also the people that give AAS a bad name. (Personally, I think smoking is worse!)

OK, I can honestly say that I have never met anyone who took steroids who did NOT eperience roid rage and become a raging asshole at times. NEVER, and I've known many. These people hurt themselves or go into roid rage because their body is in hormone shock. How many times have you met a woman with PMS who was bitchy. Do you know why? Her hormone levels are out of whack. The same thing happens when you increase your testosterone levels, except that the male psyche reacts violently.

Likewise, these people who hurt themselves, do so because they are pushing their body beyond it's natural ability to function. You can add all the muscle mass you want, but steroids don't do anything to increase the strength of tendons or bones. So you are adding more mass and torque without strengthening the underlying frame. In ANY engineering endeavor, this spells disaster.

When we plateau out and reach our maimum potential, it's because that's what our body says is the max for us. Be it the hormonal balances or the structural capacity of our bodies, to screw with those limits is dangerous. Sure there are medical uses, but these are few and far between, and extremely controlled. I just can't see any justification for the recreational/non-medical use of AAS.

 

[PowerLifter84]

You're combining every synthetic and androgen into the same cup while not seeing the differences between each one.

By getting rid of the higly androgenous drugs like dbol, tren, halo, and so on (you don't need those unless you're competing), then stick with low doses of test and nandrolone or similiar and you'll be alright.

Steroids isn't cheating, it's additional help. You can take all the AAS in the world but if you aren't eating enough, training properly and don't get any rest, your gains will be complete crap.

 

[Cardinalduke]

OK, I can honestly say that I have never met anyone who took steroids who did NOT eperience roid rage and become a raging asshole at times. NEVER, and I've known many. These people hurt themselves or go into roid rage because their body is in hormone shock. How many times have you met a woman with PMS who was bitchy. Do you know why? Her hormone levels are out of whack. The same thing happens when you increase your testosterone levels, except that the male psyche reacts violently.

Likewise, these people who hurt themselves, do so because they are pushing their body beyond it's natural ability to function. You can add all the muscle mass you want, but steroids don't do anything to increase the strength of tendons or bones. So you are adding more mass and torque without strengthening the underlying frame. In ANY engineering endeavor, this spells disaster.

When we plateau out and reach our maimum potential, it's because that's what our body says is the max for us. Be it the hormonal balances or the structural capacity of our bodies, to screw with those limits is dangerous. Sure there are medical uses, but these are few and far between, and extremely controlled. I just can't see any justification for the recreational/non-medical use of AAS.

Steroids can be used to strengthen tendons and ligaments quite effectively. They can actually rebuild them. Low doses of testosterone appear to be beneficial toward tendons and ligaments. Boldenone and especially Nandrolone are known to have wonderful benefits for tendon and ligament health.

If your natural proclivity is to be a raging asshole, many steroids will amplify that natural talent. But for somone who has a tempered personality, they may notice little to no rage at all. Once again, like powerlifter said, avoiding the more androgenic hormones tends to do a wonderful job at reducing this effect.

Medical uses for anabolic steroids are not few or far between. In fact low doses of testosterone can be used to improve depression, mood, and overall body health. They can improve sexual dysfunction in men of all ages, especially older men. They can be used beneficially to bring a higher quality of life to those who take them.

There are definitely risks to using steroids and many people abuse them. But please be careful to give both sides of the story as accurately as possible.

 

[TBKahuna123]

Steroids can be used to strengthen tendons and ligaments quite effectively. They can actually rebuild them. Low doses of testosterone appear to be beneficial toward tendons and ligaments. Boldenone and especially Nandrolone are known to have wonderful benefits for tendon and ligament health.

Interesting. All the research I've seen has made no mention of tendon of ligament stenghtening as a usage for steroids. To the contrary what I have read has specifically stated that the reason bodybuilders often suffer tendon damage as a result of over training and shows that users of anabolic steroids suffer more tendon/ligament injuries than like people who do not. Keep in mind, this is primarily related to those who compete in various sports/bodybuilding.

If your natural proclivity is to be a raging asshole, many steroids will amplify that natural talent. But for somone who has a tempered personality, they may notice little to no rage at all. Once again, like powerlifter said, avoiding the more androgenic hormones tends to do a wonderful job at reducing this effect.

I'll concede the first point, although the second isn't entirely true. As I said, I've had experience with people who were totally laid back cefore they started taking steroids. The two people I have in mind were both using Dbol and Deca, so there might be something to your last point.

Medical uses for anabolic steroids are not few or far between. In fact low doses of testosterone can be used to improve depression, mood, and overall body health. They can improve sexual dysfunction in men of all ages, especially older men. They can be used beneficially to bring a higher quality of life to those who take them.

I never said there weren't legitimate medical uses, I said they were few and far between. Perhaps I should have said that uses of steroids are infrequent. In the grand scheme of things testosterone and other anabolic steroids are used very infrequently. On the average when compared to the total of medical procedures performed each year, one might even say rare. For example, I know of one person who took anabolic steroids to help recover from degenerative muscular condition(can't remember exactly which one), but that's the only person I know who has ever been given steroids by a doctor. Compare that to the number of people I know who have had an appendectomy and that makes the medical uses of steroids few and far between.

There are definitely risks to using steroids and many people abuse them. But please be careful to give both sides of the story as accurately as possible.

I think my statements were extremely accurate, and I'm more than willing to defend them. As for giving both sides of the story, I'm sorry but our opinion of the other side differs greatly. I've done my research, more than just reading on the net, but real research, and I stand by everything I've said.

Powerlifter84 (who I think is a great guy, btw) said "You're combining every synthetic and androgen into the same cup while not seeing the differences between each one." He's partially true in that I am combining them, but because I don't see any differences between them. The natural vs. synthetic argument only goes so far. It's like saying that marijuana is less dangerous than crack. I'll agree, there's no question about that, or that pot is less harmful because it is natural, but I've still seen a lot of people whose lives were destroyed because of marijuana.

I 100% believe that using steroids to go beyond your natural physiological maximum is dangerous, and should not be attempted. I don't think it matters what kind of AAS you use, you are pushing your body beyond it's normal opperating parameters, and that is dangerous. That doesn't ahve anything to do with synthetic or natural.

BTW, I hope you guys aren't too offended by my vociferousness. Its nothing personal, but this subject has touched a nerve.

 

[PowerLifter84]

LOL, I take no offense at all and I enjoy talking about these weight training-related topics!

The main reason why AAS is so rampant is because everyone is using and that creates a level playing field. Look at all the top bodybuilders and powerlifters in the world -- they're using. Each and everyone uses and they know the guy they're competing against is using also.

Here is a good video to watch. HBO had a story about AAS and it gives a different side, a side that you will not hear on FOX news or other media sources.

 

[TBKahuna123]

a side that you will not hear on FOX news or other media sources.

Like I'd believe anythign I saw on Fox News.

 

[akatrex]

OK, I consider myself an amature expert on steroids for reasons I won't get into here. The asthma question is actually a tricky question. While it's true that asthma is often treated with steroids, they are not anabolic steroids, but corticosteroids(cortizone based). The two have vastly different effectsont he body, yet strangely similar side effects. For example, I take Prednizone occasionally for asthma symptoms, and it turns me into a raging asshole. So does one have anything to do witht he other? No, not really.

Abuse of anabolic steroids put a huge strain on the cardiovascular system as a whole. Given the way asthma works though, unless you had extreme asthma, steroids probably wouldn't increase your risk of death anymore than they would in someone with a normal pulmonary system.

If we are talking about Batista here, there's no way he could have asthma to that level and still wrestle. As to whether or not he takes steroids, that's the million dollar question and a debate I've had a few times. Frankly I don't know. The dude is seriously ripped, but he doesn't really have any of the outward signs of steroid use. He's also known to have a serious hardcore workout regime, so it's possible to he could get that physique without roids. However, the kind of injuries he's sustained lately are often associated with steroid use, because it causes excess muscle growth or too growth too fast, to the point where the tendons can't handle the strain and something's got to give. That again fuels the suspicion, but doesn't mean anything conclusive.

Well I hope I've muddied the waters enough for tonight.

Check out the Cro-Magnon growth above the eye brows ?GH? and the Roid belly when he is relaxed.

Hummmmmmmm?

The ramifications are huge. A very good friend of mine competed in the Mr. USA. He knew all of the risks. You ought to see him now. Its pathetic.

 

[PowerLifter84]

My neighbor eats at McDonald's all the time and she knows the risks. You ought to see her now.

I'll be the first to say that BB'ers aren't the most healthy people in the world for what they put their body through (not only relating to AAS but constant training and a STRICT diet). All those stressor on the body may relate to problems down the road so it's hard to pin point that it all came from AAS usage.