Another outrageous Repulican lie

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An email one of my idiot Republican friends spammed me with this morning.

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Friday, July 17, 2009
WorldNetDaily
House health care bill 'outlaws private insurance'
Obama on cost of 'reform': 'There's no such thing as a free lunch'
Posted: July 16, 2009
8:00 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
WorldNetDaily

he current House health care bill would make individual private medical insurance illegal and obliterate the market for individual coverage, opponents warn.
Investor's Business Daily reviewed H.R. 3200, a 1,018-page bill, and sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee when it stumbled upon the following segment listed under "Protecting the Choice to Keep Current Coverage," in the "Limitation on Enrollment" section on Page 16:
"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.
"So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised – with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers," Investor's Business Daily reported.

Section 102(a)1(A)
Opponents of the health care plan have argued that government-subsidized coverage will mean the death of the private insurance market.
IBD warns that employers may stop providing private plans and instead opt for Washington's coverage when tempted by a public option that is 30 percent to 40 percent cheaper than existing premiums.
According to the report, The Lewin Group has estimated that 120 million or more may lose group coverage at their places of employment and be forced to accept the government option – leaving private insurance companies with less than 50 million customers.
"What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law," IBD states. "The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs."
With health savings accounts out of the picture, the daily warns that welfare state expansion is imminent.
"The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care," IBD states. "A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny."
The report blasts Washington, saying it "does not have constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives."
(Story continues below)
Likewise, the National Center for Policy Analysis, a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization, called the health care "reform" bill a "nightmare."
"Americans who desperately need health care relief won't get it in this bill," said NCPA President John Goodman in a statement. "This legislation is going to create a financial and medical nightmare for Americans. Of course, members of Congress will be able to hold on to their Cadillac health care plans because this reform won't apply to them."
Goodman warned that employers will be forced to pay the government for health "reform" – either by buying government-approved insurance for workers or by paying a tax and sending employees over to the Medicare-like plan.
"This bill has all the bad ideas from previous versions, plus a cost of one trillion dollars, and no long-term solutions that will control costs or improve quality," added Goodman. "This bill contains 1,018 pages of new regulations that will require you to buy as much health insurance as the government mandates, even before you buy groceries, gas, or pay your rent. If you don't buy government-approved insurance, you will be taxed."

Sen. Edward Kennedy
The NCPA is supporting a national petition called "Free Our Health Care Now" that will be delivered to Congress. It currently has 400,000 signatures.
The Senate health committee approved a similar health proposal, dubbed "The Affordable Health Choices Act," Wednesday.
"I could not be prouder of our Committee, "Chairman Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., declared. "We have done the hard work that the American people sent us here to do. … [W]e must continue to search for solutions that unite us, so that the promise of quality affordable health care for all can be fulfilled."
Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., also touted the act, saying, "We began this process with a blank sheet of paper and a mandate from the American people. … This time, we have produced the legislation Americans wanted. This time, we have delivered on the promise of real change."
Human Events writer Ross Kaminsky dubbed the Senate bill "an equal disaster" to the House version. Kaminsky outlined the following details of the House bill, referring to it as "the largest tax hike in American history":
Imposes the following income surtaxes: An additional 1 percent for Americans making more than $280,000 or families earning more than $350,000; 1.5 percent for family incomes over $500,000 (individuals over $400,000); and 5.4 percent for family incomes over $1,000,000 (individuals earning over $800,000). According to the Tax Foundation, the plan "pushes top tax rates over 50 percent in 39 states."
If (when) the government does not find that "Federal health reform savings" have saved at least $150 billion per year by the end of 2012, the first two surtaxes increase to 2 percent for families making over $350,000 and 3 percent for families making over $500,000.
Creates a "tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage" of 2.5 percent of income in excess of the filer's exemptions (essentially $3,300 for a spouse and for each dependent).
Penalizes employers "8 percent of the average wages paid by the employer" during the relevant time period if the employer does not offer acceptable coverage, with an exemption for companies with annual payroll under $250,000, going up by 2 percent increments every $50,000 of payroll to reaching 8 percent at $400,000. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., has concluded that this provision alone will kill 5 million American jobs.
Subsidizes families with income up to 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level, i.e. up to $88,000 of income for a family of four.
Offers these subsidies to many or most non-citizen legal immigrants.
Create an advisory committee of people who have expertise in health care, whether as providers, market analysts, administrators, educators, etc., but which must include at least one representative of a union.
Is reported as being expected to cost $1 trillion over 10 years, but that cost substantially understates the cost of the bill because spending doesn't ramp up until 2012. According to the CBO's initial analysis (text here), the cost in 2019 is expected to be over $200 billion net of penalties assessed against employers, with an average subsidy of $6,000 per subsidized enrollee. And the CBO admits that its estimate does not "fully capture" parts of the plan.
According to the results of a Rasmussen Poll released today, 78 percent of voters say it is at least somewhat likely that taxes will be raised on the middle class to cover the cost of government health care while 56 percent say it is very likely.
The New York Post published this chart showing what government health care means to New Yorkers:

The New York Post published this chart showing what government health care means to New Yorkers
Republican staff members of the Joint Economic Committee created the following chart to illustrate the bureaucratic red tape between patients and their doctors under the House Democrats' health plan (click to see enlarged version on Dr. Orly Taitz' website):

Meanwhile, Tea Party Patriots has organized a nationwide health care protest. Taxpayers in every state will rally outside offices of their senators and representatives tomorrow at 12 p.m. EST and declare that they oppose government-run health care.
"The liberal tax and spend politicians want to take over our health care," Tea Party Patriots National Coordinator Amy Kremer said. "They want control not just of our wallets but also our very lives. These politicians realize what is at stake. If the bill passes, bureaucrats in Washington will determine when you can see a doctor, which doctor you can see and whether or not you can actually have treatment. Is this what you want? Are you going to let politicians take over your health care?"
She said representatives are trying to rush passage of the House bill before they go on summer vacation, July 31.

Tea Party Patriots organizes nationwide protest against governtment health care
Mark Meckler of Tea Party Patriots commented, "People around this country are fed up with the behavior of politicians in Washington. Americans patriots are angry with the current activity and will not silently sit by as they watch their elected officials drive this country down the road to socialism. … The bottom line is they want less government intervention. They want the freedom to choose what they want for themselves and their families."
Asked about opponents concerns over the substantial cost of his health care "reform," Obama said in an interview with NBC News, "The American people have to recognize that there's no such thing as a free lunch."
Concerned individuals may contact their respective senators and representatives.
 
It is a lie, the cost will be well over the predicted one trillion dollars.
 
An email one of my idiot Republican friends spammed me with this morning.

Maybe I missed it after my eyes started glazing over, but the only Republican I saw mentioned was Republicans making a flow chart that showed the administrative side of the plan.

I also saw no quote claiming the health care bill outlaws private insurance other than by World Net Daily in the headline and their first paragraph...but nothing they posted substantiated their headline, no one they quoted said that. World Net Daily said that.

So...instead of saying 'another outrageous Republican lie', it should read, 'another outrageous World Net Daily lie'.

I think your prejudice about Republicans is getting to you.
 
"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.
"So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised – with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers," Investor's Business Daily reported.

Since you claim your Republican friend is an idiot, then you'll have no problem refuting this then won't you? Or can you not?
 
Maybe I missed it after my eyes started glazing over, but the only Republican I saw mentioned was Republicans making a flow chart that showed the administrative side of the plan.

I also saw no quote claiming the health care bill outlaws private insurance other than by World Net Daily in the headline and their first paragraph...but nothing they posted substantiated their headline, no one they quoted said that. World Net Daily said that.

So...instead of saying 'another outrageous Republican lie', it should read, 'another outrageous World Net Daily lie'.

I think your prejudice about Republicans is getting to you.

Debunking the Republican healthcare flowchart.


It's interesting that Obama has not proposed a single plan that interposes the federal government between doctors and patients OR patients and insurers...but you'd never know that listening to the lies spread by MeeMie, Ish, Crisco, Vettetard and the rest of the usual suspects. :rolleyes:
 
its true

its on page 16

UNLESS you had PRIVATE INSURANCE before, you cant get any after!!!!!!!!!!

read it

PAGE 16!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
whats outrageous is the STUPIDITY

Pink has fallen into

READ


It's Not An Option
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 :rolleyes:is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.


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IBD Exclusive Series: Government-Run Healthcare: A Prescription For Failure


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When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.

The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.

With HSAs out of the way, a key obstacle to the left's expansion of the welfare state will be removed.

The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.

Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002.
 
Well that's nice and all, but off topic. The claim "another outrageous Republican lie" was in reference to World Net Daily's headline.

If you want to start a fault finding thread on the flow chart, go for it; this thread is about a claim that Republicans said the Democrats are making private health insurance illegal.

Well, it certainly is off-topic but you'll recall you were the first person to bring up the Republican flow chart....I was merely helping you derail the thread, since that seems to be what Republicans like you do when they are confronted by unpleasantries.
 
I've said it before, nations with sociialized medicine are healthier and live longer. Sorry.

They also have higher overall standards of living, more dispobable income, more mandatory vacation days, etc etc..
 
It's sad...I think the USA should have the longest overall lifespans, greatest standard of living with the most benefits, etc.

Just me, I'm a big old Nationalist.
 
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