Are we seeing the death of the Democrat Party as we know it?

[JohnnySavage]

I'm not sure you old geezers really want to go back to dueling. Despite what you may delude yourselves into thinking, you're not as quick on the draw as you used to be (except possibly in bed, because hell... what's the point in dragging that out any longer than necessary?).

 

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[MeeMie]

Surprised? No.

Outraged? Yes.


Are we really surprised anymore?

That’s the question I keep coming back to, as it becomes more and more and more apparent–not that it wasn’t already abundantly clear–that the Democratic Party leadership is prepared to pay any price and bend any rule and destroy any career necessary to bring about whatever procedural nightmare will equate to passage of their radical health care reform agenda.

A brand new headline from the Washington Post, just crossing the computer a little while ago, informs us that the “House May Try to Pass Senate Health-Care Bill Without Voting On It.” I can’t help but wonder if it’s even news anymore.

First of all, we knew about this possibility more than a few days ago. “Deeming” the Senate bill passed in the House was part of the aptly-named “Slaughter Solution,” which did little more than provide concerned Americans and sneaky liberals alike with a crash course in parliamentary procedure last week. And, as far as I recall, the process was essentially killed in action by the Senate Parliamentarian, which held that the House must pass the Senate version of the bill in order for it to proceed forward.

But that’s not why I asked that question at the beginning. That’s not why I wonder aloud whether any of us are really surprised anymore.

When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi notes, in the Washington Post piece, that she prefers the “deem and pass” rule because “it would politically protect lawmakers who are reluctant to publicly support the measure,” Pelosi is admitting that the American people simply do not want what her party is shoveling. When Pelosi says that the tactic is “more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know,” it’s because the American people simply want the sunshine and transparency promised to them by this president and by Nancy Pelosi herself. And when she says that she likes the tactic “because people don’t have to vote on the Senate bill,” she is overtly spitting in the face of the founders of this nation, who carefully crafted the procedures by which legislation large and small becomes law.

But, again, I ask: Are we really surprised anymore?

After all, when Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana wavered when faced with an important procedural vote on health care reform, the Democrats paid her off by including $300 million in aid to her state. When Ben Nelson of Nebraska threatened to stonewall the bill over abortion-related language–among other things–rather than fixing the language, Democrats made sure that each of the other 49 states paid for Nebraska’s Medicaid obligation. Then, we hear that the White House offered my congressman, Joe Sestak, a sweet administration gig–possibly the Secretary of the Navy position–in exchange for his abandoning his bid for Arlen Specter’s Senate seat, followed by the news that the president appointed to a judicial position the brother of an on-the-fence congressman.

Why should we be surprised that Nancy Pelosi is acknowledging that her legislation cannot get support from either congressional democrats OR the American people? Why should we be surprised that she will look for a possibly unconstitutional, definitely improper procedural loophole to use in the process of ramming said legislation down our throat?

You know, as a guy who runs a Web site like America’s Right, I look at an article like the one in question and think to myself: “Gee whiz, Jeff … is there even any value in pointing out that Nancy Pelosi has, yet again, shown that she simply does not care what America thinks?” And part of me says “no.” Part of me believes that, for Nancy Pelosi, disregarding the will of the American people comes as naturally as breaking campaign promises does for this president. The other part of me, however, cannot help but draw attention to it all. Its maddening.

So, are we really surprised anymore? Of course not. Are we outraged? Absolutely.

And that’s why I like Paul Ryan’s take on it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLITGkcwZIA




by Jeff Schreiber, America's Right

 

[Wrong Element]

That’s the question I keep coming back to, as it becomes more and more and more apparent–not that it wasn’t already abundantly clear–that the Democratic Party leadership is prepared to pay any price and bend any rule and destroy any career necessary to bring about whatever procedural nightmare will equate to passage of their radical health care reform agenda.

A brand new headline from the Washington Post, just crossing the computer a little while ago, informs us that the “House May Try to Pass Senate Health-Care Bill Without Voting On It.” I can’t help but wonder if it’s even news anymore.

First of all, we knew about this possibility more than a few days ago. “Deeming” the Senate bill passed in the House was part of the aptly-named “Slaughter Solution,” which did little more than provide concerned Americans and sneaky liberals alike with a crash course in parliamentary procedure last week. And, as far as I recall, the process was essentially killed in action by the Senate Parliamentarian, which held that the House must pass the Senate version of the bill in order for it to proceed forward.

But that’s not why I asked that question at the beginning. That’s not why I wonder aloud whether any of us are really surprised anymore.

When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi notes, in the Washington Post piece, that she prefers the “deem and pass” rule because “it would politically protect lawmakers who are reluctant to publicly support the measure,” Pelosi is admitting that the American people simply do not want what her party is shoveling. When Pelosi says that the tactic is “more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know,” it’s because the American people simply want the sunshine and transparency promised to them by this president and by Nancy Pelosi herself. And when she says that she likes the tactic “because people don’t have to vote on the Senate bill,” she is overtly spitting in the face of the founders of this nation, who carefully crafted the procedures by which legislation large and small becomes law.

But, again, I ask: Are we really surprised anymore?

After all, when Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana wavered when faced with an important procedural vote on health care reform, the Democrats paid her off by including $300 million in aid to her state. When Ben Nelson of Nebraska threatened to stonewall the bill over abortion-related language–among other things–rather than fixing the language, Democrats made sure that each of the other 49 states paid for Nebraska’s Medicaid obligation. Then, we hear that the White House offered my congressman, Joe Sestak, a sweet administration gig–possibly the Secretary of the Navy position–in exchange for his abandoning his bid for Arlen Specter’s Senate seat, followed by the news that the president appointed to a judicial position the brother of an on-the-fence congressman.

Why should we be surprised that Nancy Pelosi is acknowledging that her legislation cannot get support from either congressional democrats OR the American people? Why should we be surprised that she will look for a possibly unconstitutional, definitely improper procedural loophole to use in the process of ramming said legislation down our throat?

You know, as a guy who runs a Web site like America’s Right, I look at an article like the one in question and think to myself: “Gee whiz, Jeff … is there even any value in pointing out that Nancy Pelosi has, yet again, shown that she simply does not care what America thinks?” And part of me says “no.” Part of me believes that, for Nancy Pelosi, disregarding the will of the American people comes as naturally as breaking campaign promises does for this president. The other part of me, however, cannot help but draw attention to it all. Its maddening.

So, are we really surprised anymore? Of course not. Are we outraged? Absolutely.

Lies, lies, and more lies.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/dems-say-gop-crying-crocodile-tears-with-rules-complaints-republicans-set-records-for-same-process.php?ref=fpb

 

[MeeMie]

Lies, lies, and more lies.

Just as the intent of the Budget Reconciliation Process is being abused, so is the Slaughter Solution unconstitutional.

Neither procedure has ever been used for the magnitude of size, cost and opposition to force radical liberal ideologies down the throats of the majority of the American taxpayers.

WATCH THE VIDEO for facts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLITGkcwZIA

 

[MeeMie]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz031610dAPR20100316031338.jpg

 

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[JohnnySavage]

You guys don't even take a break when Giada is on?

 

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[JohnnySavage]

She has nice tits, anything that has to do with egg beating by hand is a plus.

That woman sets me afire!

 

[firespin]

Lies, lies, and more lies.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/dems-say-gop-crying-crocodile-tears-with-rules-complaints-republicans-set-records-for-same-process.php?ref=fpb

Talkingpoints memo is lies, lies and more lies? Who knew.

Ohh...maybe you meant that you were going to echo the talkingpoints memo well, talking point that because rules have been used in the past before to bundle amendments with bills, that it would be permissible also to bundle bills with other bills?

That's a nice theory, but the statistics re: amendments don't necessarily apply in this situation.

P.S. For some real fun, watch when UD or Drixxxx copy something from HuffPo or TPM, then, when challenged, go off the reservation with something they make up that's completely wrong. Good times.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Talkingpoints memo is lies, lies and more lies? Who knew.

Ohh...maybe you meant that you were going to echo the talkingpoints memo well, talking point that because rules have been used in the past before to bundle amendments with bills, that it would be permissible also to bundle bills with other bills?

That's a nice theory, but the statistics re: amendments don't necessarily apply in this situation.

P.S. For some real fun, watch when UD or Drixxxx copy something from HuffPo or TPM, then, when challenged, go off the reservation with something they make up that's completely wrong. Good times.

Amazing how you guys go reflexively into "shoot the messenger" mode when confronted with information and/or opinions you don't agree with.

What fearful lives you folks must be living.

 

[Janlou]

Demographics is Destiny

People of color as well as Jewish and Arab people vote Democrat by huge margins. Howard Dean called the Republicans the party of white men.
As America becomes a nation with a predominant third world heritage it will inevitably go hard left, in fact the dems will be the extreme right if trends continue. However it looks like America is tottering as it is and may not survive to reach that Bolshevik bliss.

 

[miles]

I think the Democratic Party lost the plot with identity politics and political correctness in the Jesse Jackson era, but I'll always be a staunch pro-union New Deal Dem, from the days before "Democrat" was synonymous with "pussy".

Now that's A Liberal I can respect!

 

[miles]

Like my Mom and her parents, they could never accept the fact that the Party wasn't being controlled by FDR anymore. Look back and realize that JFK would be excoriated as a right wing nut by today's Democrats.

Excellent point. My Mom is 86 years old and thinks Obama is wonderful just because. I stopped trying to reason with that kind of non-logic a long time ago. My parents were very strong supporters of Israel, but when I ask Mom about Obama's hostility towards Israel all I hear is dead silence. There is no hope for people like her who are so emotionally invested in Liberalism that it makes them deaf, blind, and mute to facts.

My Dad is spinning in his grave.

 

[firespin]

Amazing how you guys go reflexively into "shoot the messenger" mode when confronted with information and/or opinions you don't agree with.

What fearful lives you folks must be living.

What are you talking about? Nobody shot any messengers.

The message in this case about how rules have been used to bundle amendments with bills is being used by e.g. TPM to imply that the current rule bundling two bills is commonplace, and even used by Republicans previously, rather than the truth that is has never been used to bundle two bills like this.

And the part about poking fun at echo chamber people is just good plain sport...don't tell me you never did it to e.g. MieMee.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I'm not sure you old geezers really want to go back to dueling. Despite what you may delude yourselves into thinking, you're not as quick on the draw as you used to be (except possibly in bed, because hell... what's the point in dragging that out any longer than necessary?).

I've spent the last 40 years training...

You might be surprised.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I've spent the last 40 years training...

You might be surprised.

A moderately healthy 20 year old on X is faster.

You get old. Life sucks. Get over it.


Sometimes you just have to enjoy sitting on the porch, drinking PBR and yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

A moderately healthy 20 year old on X is faster.

You get old. Life sucks. Get over it.


Sometimes you just have to enjoy sitting on the porch, drinking PBR and yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

The key is reps.

I still routinely spank 20 year-olds...

What good's speed when you have yet to develop an aim?

 

[unregistered]

 

[JohnnySavage]

The key is reps.

I still routinely spank 20 year-olds...

What good's speed when you have yet to develop an aim?

You must take an extra hit of Metamucil before the match.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

They never learn do they?

You must take an extra hit of Metamucil before the match.

Nope, they never do learn...



I once saw an 86 year-old Wally Jay grab the finger of some young "Ninja" master and take him to the ground screaming like a Catholic School girl...

Don't even get me started on Harrison sensei.

 

[Saint Peter]

Do your magic gold bracelets stop hollow points?

 

[rosco rathbone]

Thought of you Frisco while reading this about the rise of the Libertarian Right in the GOP:

Bring it on, Ayn Rand geeks

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Do your magic gold bracelets stop hollow points?

*chuckle*