Bible teaches a flat earth? I think not

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Perhaps no phrase in Scripture has been so controversial as the phrase, "the four corners of the earth." The word translated "corners," as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity.
It is translated "borders" in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated "four corners" and again in Isaiah 11:12 "four corners." Job 37:3 and 38:13 as "ends."

The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is gonia. The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions.

Some have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22).

Some have tried to say there are four knobs, or peaks on a round earth. Regardless of the various ways kanaph is translated, it makes reference to EXTREMITIES.

There are many ways in which God the Holy Spirit could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:


Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.
Paioh means "a geometric corner"
Ziovyoh means "right angle" or "corner"
Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.
Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.
Instead, the Holy Spirit selected the word kanaph, conveying the idea of extremity.
It is doubtful that any religious Jew would ever misunderstand the true meaning of kanaph. For nearly 2,000 years, religious Jews have faced the city of Jerusalem three times daily and chanted the following prayer:


Sound the great trumpet for our freedom,
Raise the banner for gathering our exiles,
And gather us together from THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH
into our own land.

The Book of Isaiah describes how the Messiah, the Root of Jesse, shall regather his people from the four corners of the earth. They shall come from every extremity to be gathered into Israel.

"And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse,
Who shall stand as a banner to the people;
For the Gentiles shall seek Him,
And His resting place shall be glorious."
It shall come to pass in that day
That the LORD shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.
(Isaiah 11:10-12, New King James Version)
 
Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the "four corners" of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the "language of appearance," just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly. [DD]

In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. [DD]

A literal translation of Job 26:10 is "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22 - "the circle of the earth."

Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe. [JSM]

The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth. [JSM]

Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth "within 50 miles of the present estimate." [Encyclopedia Brittanica]

The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. [JSM]

The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipse shadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus. [DD]

The implication of a round earth is seen in the book of Luke, where Jesus described his return, Luke 17:31. Jesus said, "In that day," then in verse 34, "In that night." This is an allusion to light on one side of the globe and darkness on the other simultaneously. [JSM]

"When the Bible touches on scientific subjects, it is entirely accurate." [DD]
 
Then why did they lock up Galileo?

You understand it because you live in the 21st century and have a greater understanding of our physical surroundings. Thanks be to scientists and other heretics.

Do you have the mathematics to back up the total repopulation of the earth after the "great flood"...not just humans, all animal species?

Just proves that the bible can be mistranslated, misconstrued, misunderstood and generally twisted to support any particular position you wish to take.

You want to engage in genocide...there are scriptures which can be found supporting it.

Hatred...it's there

Murder...more of the same
 
Re: Then why did they lock up Galileo?

Thumper said:
You understand it because you live in the 21st century and have a greater understanding of our physical surroundings. Thanks be to scientists and other heretics.


Sounds like rhetoric to me.

It is a lot of bull...









Papal Bull's in particular.





EZ
 
"The Church says that the Earth is flat. But I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church."

-Ferdinand Magellan


Oops, did I wander into one of Todd's threads again? I'm sorry, I'll go.
 
Pyper said:
"The Church says that the Earth is flat. But I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church."

-Ferdinand Magellan


Oops, did I wander into one of Todd's threads again? I'm sorry, I'll go.



bible quote, man quote or church quote?

She quoted the man
and she quoted the church lead by man
but she didn't quote the bible written by man under the guidance of the Holy Spirit go figure *shrugs*

[Edited by Todd on 04-02-2001 at 04:28 PM]
 
Sighs
Oh boy, gotta love these threads....
There are sooo many translations of the Bible, and alot of them had parts removed to satisfy the theories of others.
Everyone does have their own meanings for the words they read or have been taught. Alot is misconception, due to unknown intillectual fields of study.
The world was flat..until ol' Chris proved it wasnt, and the Bible is waaaay much older then that of course.

You sail a boat into the horizon and fall off the edge of the world, but funny..the water never drained off the edges...

I guess it not only depends on the teachings, but on the time...

And..I think I've started to ramble and probably dont make sense so..I'm done lol :p

Please be gentle my brain is fried...lol
 
Todd said:
Pyper said:
"The Church says that the Earth is flat. But I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church."

-Ferdinand Magellan


Oops, did I wander into one of Todd's threads again? I'm sorry, I'll go.



bible quote, man quote or church quote?

She quoted the man
and she quoted the church lead by man
but she didn't quote the bible written by man under the guidance of the Holy Spirit go figure *shrugs*

[Edited by Todd on 04-02-2001 at 04:28 PM]

I caught that edit, Todd! LOL

Yet once again I am muddled into silence by your nonsensical posts. What on earth (sorry!) are you talking about?
 
Quote from Thumper:

Just proves that the bible can be mistranslated, misconstrued, misunderstood and generally twisted to support any particular position you wish to take.

You want to engage in genocide...there are scriptures which can be found supporting it.

Hatred...it's there

Murder...more of the same

What he said; it be true. And has been used for the last few thousand years by many for what ever they wished to include under "The will of God".


Comshaw
 
Re: Then why did they lock up Galileo?

Thumper said:
You understand it because you live in the 21st century and have a greater understanding of our physical surroundings. Thanks be to scientists and other heretics.

Do you have the mathematics to back up the total repopulation of the earth after the "great flood"...not just humans, all animal species?

Just proves that the bible can be mistranslated, misconstrued, misunderstood and generally twisted to support any particular position you wish to take.

You want to engage in genocide...there are scriptures which can be found supporting it.

Hatred...it's there

Murder...more of the same


yeah the Bible does have scriptures to support just about anything .... if you take them out of the context. Hades even I can defend Santa Claus taking scriptures out of context. I can defend driving a Honda by takeing a scripture out of context. If keep things in context and actually recognize the different dispenstions there is no reaso why there should be genocide, hatred murder, but gehenna if all you wanna do is take things out of context you can make it mean anything you want. I can take the consituion out of context and make it support incest and the killing of the first born of every american but is that reading it the right way....no.
 
I'm sorry Todd, but, although it's true that you can find horrible things in the Bible out of context, there are plenty of horrible things in context.

Stoning raped women.

Killing the babies of your enemies.

Raping your prepubescent daughters.

All these things done under the command or approval or actual action of a supposedly supreme and loving God.

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize [hu]mankind." -- Thomas Paine
 
Pyper said:
I'm sorry Todd, but, although it's true that you can find horrible things in the Bible out of context, there are plenty of horrible things in context.

Stoning raped women.

Killing the babies of your enemies.

Raping your prepubescent daughters.

All these things done under the command or approval or actual action of a supposedly supreme and loving God.

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize [hu]mankind." -- Thomas Paine

Again I say it you have to understand the dispensations and the covenants. But alas your mind is more closed than the rocks we evolved from.
 
How can anything justify the atrocities in that book? Explain it to me Todd.
 
Pyper said:
How can anything justify the atrocities in that book? Explain it to me Todd.


We were given everything perfect and we were created perfect. WE were given only 1 rule, only 1 rule, and we screwed it up. And what do? We blame it on God cause we are not willing to accept the responsibility for our own actions. We would rather pass the buck than face up to our own wrong doing. Its our nature to pass the buck. Its our nature to take adavntage of what is given to us and then when its broken we blame someone else.

Time and time and time again through out the whole Bible all God tried to was draw people to himself. And what happened we screwed it up. Even the best minded people. Moses was told to touch the rock. He didn't beleive God so he smote, or smucked the rock. He disobeyed, man disobeyed so God made the water bitter.

God told the Egyptians to let his specific people go. The egyptians said no, ten times they said no. So God dealt with them by taking their most cherished first born children.

Let me ask you, when you did something wrong as a child, something your parents told you not to and you got caught, did your parents discipline you or did they just let it go?

When you break a law and the policy catch you do they discipline you or say go on your way?

God was the Jewish peoples Father his covenants and dealings were with them. His dealing reached outwards and all were offered the same choice simply follow the rules or not. But as typical human beings regardless of what groupd we associate with, we hate having someone tell Us waht to do. WE want to be the boss, the one in control, We do not want to be responsible for our actions.
 
If we were created perfect, because God is perfect and can do no wrong, then why are we such screw-ups? If humans were perfect, why would they break God's law in the first place? It seems to me that humans are highly flawed, often full of cruelty and hatred. Are you saying God made us like this, in his image? The God must be full of cruelty and hatred as well, as the Bible certainly demonstrates.

Why, if there is only one God for all the infinite universe, would he choose to favor a small group of a few thousand people in a tiny region in the Middle East? Shouldn't he show his kindness and favor to the entire world, instead of smiting the little children of all non-Hebrews?

If there is a God, he is certainly a terrible one.
 
Pyper said:
If there is a God, he is certainly a terrible one.

I thought the same thing growing up athiest for 18 years. Its true I did. Then through studying secular pyschology{sp?} of all things, It all began to fit together. And now the The more I study Arecheology, astrology, Physics, biology the more it all fits togethers.
 
Todd said:
Pyper said:
I'm sorry Todd, but, although it's true that you can find horrible things in the Bible out of context, there are plenty of horrible things in context.

Again I say it you have to understand the dispensations and the covenants. But alas your mind is more closed than the rocks we evolved from.

... and there lies the eternal problem: whose interpretation do we accept? So the struggle for power continues ...

Meanwhile, in a galaxy far, far away ...
 
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