Biden Bombshell Coming Tomorrow?

[IrezumiKiss]

This thread's about to have a one-week-old birthday in an hour and some change.

How's the "tomorrow bombshell" coming along?

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[Lazaran]

This thread's about to have a one-week-old birthday in an hour and some change.

How's the "tomorrow bombshell" coming along?

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They’ve moved on to Gavin Newsome like their puppet masters told them to. - Til the next “Biden bombshell” try and fail.

*nods*

 

[DeluxAuto]

This thread's about to have a one-week-old birthday in an hour and some change.

How's the "tomorrow bombshell" coming along?

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Reminds me of the best sign at a bar;

FREE BEER TOMORROW!

 

[RandyRebecca]

No. Hillary had absolutely nothing to do with J6. that is on its face absurd. She lost most likely still because of Russia. I can't believe there are still people who think its a coincidence that like four swing districts in two swing states just happened to have tons and tons of known Facebook bots and it just happened. You can question if Trump knew but considering the phone calls. Oh fuck it that part is just willful blindness.

This is another big problem that I have with Democrats. They never look inwards at themselves and ask what they are doing wrong and why they are alienating people. They always blame outsiders like "Russia". The Democrats say "Don't look at us and blame us. Look over there at Russia and blame Russia". It's a load of nonsense. Clinton lost because she simply couldn't connect with the "blue wall" working class compared to Trump, which is why Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin were won by Trump in 2016. Biden, on the other hand, was able to connect with them in 2020, with talk of Scranton and the blue collar working class, which is the reason that Biden beat Trump in 2020. However, as president recently, Biden acted as union buster against striking railway workers, coming from the self-proclaimed "pro-labor" president. The main rules for socialists when it comes to striking workers are solidarity, never cross picket lines and the capitalist bosses are the class enemy. Biden sides with the railway bosses against striking railway workers, and so did "The Squad" apart from Rashida Tlaib.

Eugene Debs in 1894 was jailed after his actions in the Pullman strike. A Democratic president busted the strike then (i.e. Grover Cleveland) who Debs had voted for 3 times when he was a Democrat. It radicalized Debs into becoming a socialist.

The important part of your question however is about them doing the right thing for the middle class. What exactly do you think Obamacare was, even though it was watered down to all hell? Build Back Better? Fighting for $15 minimum wage. We live in a country where a minority party can essentially say "Give us what we want or we'll hold our breath until we pass out." They are literally doing that RIGHT NOW.

It's nowhere near enough. There should be universal healthcare free at the point of use, nationalized and taxpayer funded. The minimum wage should be $30-40, not $15 or less.

Either Biden gives them what they want. Which he will, and it will hurt the poor and middle class OR he is directly responsible for a global recession if not depression. I don't believe that particular feature was intended but that is how it is.

I believe in bold action and escalating confrontation with our political opponents. The Capitol Hill Democrats and Republicans like the stalemate where barely anything changes in the country except what the super rich want, with a divided country between Tweedledum and Tweedledee, noisy culture wars as a distraction from what the super rich do (like abolishing Roe v Wade), and the filibuster as a fail safe for the establishment and corporate Democrats if they get a majority in both houses. This establishment cosiness needs smashing up, which is why I don't get hysterical about January 6, 2021, like some people do.

No, you're being absurd. If you want to blame Hillary you might as well blame OBama while you're at it. I know it was a long, long time ago but it wasn't Hillary v Trump if you were a Republican. It was Hillary v the World.

We can blame Obama too. Wasn't he supposed to be the big change from previous presidents? Obama's presidency led to the election of Donald Trump. There are a lot of Obama-Trump voters in this country. They thought Obama might be a big change from before, and he wasn't, so they went with Trump's anger and rage.

Kasich seems like a decent man.

To have a political debate with, perhaps. I don't like a lot of his politics. He's the conservative type that wants everything running smoothly for the establishment.

Jeb's only two problems are he's boring and part of a dynasty at this point. I may not like Rubio or Cruz but they are within the acceptable ranges of evil. Trump was chosen for vengeance. Nothing else.

Well yes. People are angry at the state of American society. They want the anger and rage, not the continuity of the system that wasn't working for them. Trump doesn't have the policies to be any real change though. He's just the sort of establishment man who is very selfish and would sell out all of them if it would advance the Trump brand.

We live in a country where you essentially need 51% of where ever you happen to be. Voting for anybody who has no chance getting there is throwing away your vote.

I vote FOR something, not merely against something. If everyone did this, we would have a far better society than what we have.

I would love for ranked voting or fusion tickets. We'll never get them even though we HAD fusion at one point.

I voted for governor Kathy Hochul last November on the Working Families line instead of the Democratic line, but only because it was Hochul or Lee Zeldin on either the Republican or Conservative lines. Hochul wins a relative close election by New York standards, which she wouldn't have won without the labor movement and the Working Families Party, and then Hochul tries to appoint a conservative as chief judge of the court of appeals. Another sellout. Thankfully, Hochul was forced to back down.

If you are unfamiliar with that fusion would essentially allow for Biden to run for the Socialist, Democrat and Libertarian candicasy. It was eliminated because some REpublican way back in the day said "We can beat the Democrats but not the entire world. This is a feature not a bug whether you hate it as much as I did.

Fusion still happens in New York State all the time. It's happened here for a long, long time. Recent examples in a presidential election, such as 2020, saw Joe Biden on both the Democratic and Working Families lines, and Donald Trump on both the Republican and Conservative lines. Examples in historical presidential elections are 1924, when Robert La Follette ran for the Socialist Party and the Progressive Party, and actually got more votes on the Socialist line in New York State; and Franklin D. Roosevelt often standing on the Democratic, American Labor and Liberal lines.

No way could Biden be the Socialist candidate.

There was NO reason to codify Roe v Wade.

Obviously there was, because it was eventually struck down. It should have been made federal law. While the right to an abortion nationwide merely rested on Roe v Wade the supreme court ruling, it remained a way for the establishment to whip up a culture war in the future for when it was needed by striking down Roe v Wade.

How would you even do that at the national level?

Federal law, either by presidential decree or passed by congress, preferably without the filibuster.

Like I don't want the LGBT community to lose their rights but they probably will.

The way to stop the conservatives is to fight them ruthlessly. No compromise, no "bipartisanship". Liberal softness towards conservatives in this country is another reason to dislike liberals, and the reason why the Republican Party keeps pandering to the conservative base and going more and more to the right.

We can't do it through the court. Its mostly conservative.

Pack it. Actually do what Franklin D. Roosevelt threatened to do from 1937 if he didn't get some legislation passed.

There are super rich capitalists on both sides. Both sides are not remotely the same however. That is how the system is designed and changing it requires things that will not happen.

The difference is that the Democratic ones are more globalist and more wedded to the military-industrial complex, whereas the Republican ones are nationalistic, short term in their outlook and narrow minded.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Show me where Trump called for anything but peaceful assembly in protest.

You cannot, so please stop repeating lies without any sourcing.

We know that everyone you know thinks this.

It does not make it true...

Are you denying that Trump intended a coup?

Trump's plan on the day was obvious. Steve Bannon even said it when he said "It's not going to go as you think. It's going to go quite different". The plan on the day was for Trump to whip up the passions of his supporters still further and urge them on to Capitol Hill. Trump himself was hoping to join them, but secret service agents stopped him from leaving the car and going to Capitol Hill. The plan once at Capitol Hill was to storm the building, use force to stop politicians from certifying the 2020 election results, perhaps even show violence or worse to the politicians there. Trump, as president, can then declare a state of emergency, before the 2020 election results have been certified. Trump would then stay in power until new elections are declared further down the line.

I don't think many people realize how close this came to actually happening. If the people who stormed Capitol Hill had gotten their hands on politicians there, especially "Hang Mike Pence", Trump stays in power. Instead, the politicians were able to sneak out of the building, wait it all out, and come back later in the day to certify the election results, posing as wounded heroes of the nation.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is another big problem that I have with Democrats. They never look inwards at themselves and ask what they are doing wrong and why they are alienating people. They always blame outsiders like "Russia". The Democrats say "Don't look at us and blame us. Look over there at Russia and blame Russia". It's a load of nonsense. Clinton lost because she simply couldn't connect with the "blue wall" working class compared to Trump, which is why Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin were won by Trump in 2016. Biden, on the other hand, was able to connect with them in 2020, with talk of Scranton and the blue collar working class, which is the reason that Biden beat Trump in 2020. However, as president recently, Biden acted as union buster against striking railway workers, coming from the self-proclaimed "pro-labor" president. The main rules for socialists when it comes to striking workers are solidarity, never cross picket lines and the capitalist bosses are the class enemy. Biden sides with the railway bosses against striking railway workers, and so did "The Squad" apart from Rashida Tlaib.

A huge part of our problem is that we didn't alienate people enough when we should have. Russia is most likely to blame. Ignoring that is foolish.

The rest again shows you clearly don't understand politics. Biden had two choices. Union Bust and take credit as the Grinch who stole Christmas. There was no inbetween.

The Dems do PLENTY wrong. Tons. I don't think any of us think they are perfect, occasionally good but far from perfect.

Eugene Debs in 1894 was jailed after his actions in the Pullman strike. A Democratic president busted the strike then (i.e. Grover Cleveland) who Debs had voted for 3 times when he was a Democrat. It radicalized Debs into becoming a socialist.


It's nowhere near enough. There should be universal healthcare free at the point of use, nationalized and taxpayer funded. The minimum wage should be $30-40, not $15 or less.

We tried, we negotiated. We gave into tons of Republican demands and got not a single Republican vote. This is the world we live in. We were damn lucky we got what we did. $30 would cause hyperinflation and completely shift everything in American most of it not for the better. That's a suicide pill.

I believe in bold action and escalating confrontation with our political opponents. The Capitol Hill Democrats and Republicans like the stalemate where barely anything changes in the country except what the super rich want, with a divided country between Tweedledum and Tweedledee, noisy culture wars as a distraction from what the super rich do (like abolishing Roe v Wade), and the filibuster as a fail safe for the establishment and corporate Democrats if they get a majority in both houses. This establishment cosiness needs smashing up, which is why I don't get hysterical about January 6, 2021, like some people do.

We should be MORE hysterical about J6. The fact that you think otherwise shows exactly who and what you really are beneath the bullshit you're peddling here. IF you think over turning Roe v Wade and all the states pushing for outright bans including travel bans and open bounties is a distraction I'd love to know what you believe the goal is. A majority isn't enough, a super duper majority is necessary. Those are the laws. There are plenty of things bad about the rich on the Dems and while I think corporate democrat is one of those things the right made up as a distraction.

We can blame Obama too. Wasn't he supposed to be the big change from previous presidents? Obama's presidency led to the election of Donald Trump. There are a lot of Obama-Trump voters in this country. They thought Obama might be a big change from before, and he wasn't, so they went with Trump's anger and rage.

Of course OBama and Clinton got us Trump. A black man was in charge and a woman was about to be.

To have a political debate with, perhaps. I don't like a lot of his politics. He's the conservative type that wants everything running smoothly for the establishment.


Well yes. People are angry at the state of American society. They want the anger and rage, not the continuity of the system that wasn't working for them. Trump doesn't have the policies to be any real change though. He's just the sort of establishment man who is very selfish and would sell out all of them if it would advance the Trump brand.

The system wasn't designed to work for them. Which party is fighting education?

I vote FOR something, not merely against something. If everyone did this, we would have a far better society than what we have.

Then you're as a big a part of the problem as the corporate greed you pretend to hate.

Fusion still happens in New York State all the time. It's happened here for a long, long time. Recent examples in a presidential election, such as 2020, saw Joe Biden on both the Democratic and Working Families lines, and Donald Trump on both the Republican and Conservative lines. Examples in historical presidential elections are 1924, when Robert La Follette ran for the Socialist Party and the Progressive Party, and actually got more votes on the Socialist line in New York State; and Franklin D. Roosevelt often standing on the Democratic, American Labor and Liberal lines.

I'd love to see how New York kept that legal.

No way could Biden be the Socialist candidate.

I was simply giving an example. I could just as easily have said John Wick could be the Republican and Democratic candidate.

Obviously there was, because it was eventually struck down. It should have been made federal law. While the right to an abortion nationwide merely rested on Roe v Wade the supreme court ruling, it remained a way for the establishment to whip up a culture war in the future for when it was needed by striking down Roe v Wade.

That wouldn't be dealing in good faith. Besides they could go right back to court anyhow.

Federal law, either by presidential decree or passed by congress, preferably without the filibuster.


The way to stop the conservatives is to fight them ruthlessly. No compromise, no "bipartisanship". Liberal softness towards conservatives in this country is another reason to dislike liberals, and the reason why the Republican Party keeps pandering to the conservative base and going more and more to the right.

On the extremely off case that Biden doesn't cave will you be holding this same opinion, not of yourself but of America when they are howling for impeachment and every state has tent cities of mothers with infants? Cus that's what's gonna happen if he doesn't.

The conservative base are a bunch of bigots, stop covering for them. This something I hate about basically anybody who claims anything but one of the big two parties at the end of the day. The mental gymnastics they are capable of. Trump didn't call for violence. "Grab em by the pussy" Well words only have as much power as we give them. Clinton is just as bad, he got a BJ!

Prohibition lasted 13 years required a Constitutional Amendment. The Drug War has lasted. . ."Well that's about culture! Everybody drinks. Its frankly disgustin.

Pack it. Actually do what Franklin D. Roosevelt threatened to do from 1937 if he didn't get some legislation passed.


The difference is that the Democratic ones are more globalist and more wedded to the military-industrial complex, whereas the Republican ones are nationalistic, short term in their outlook and narrow minded.

PAck the court? So Republicans can do it when they win in 2028 or 2032 at the latest? Dems are not more wedded to the military industrial complex. They are more globalist but at this point fighting THAT just makes you stupid. Its really a matter of whether we let Amazon, Facebook, Walmart and a handful of banks take over the world or if we want to have a say in it. Cutting our selves off stopped being an option before I was born. I'm not even sure I would WANT to be cut off. Ignoring history has shown that rarely if ever works out well.