Birthright Citizenship Case

[Wilson23]

Yep, they granted Cert. The result should be the end of birthright citizenship as the left understands it to be.

It;s not only the 14thA, it's a matter of statute.

 

[HisArpy]

I guess we'll have to see. To me, it's simple. The American Indians not taxed, though being born on American soil, never had citizenship until 1924 when the Snyder Act was passed. Why? Because they weren't politically subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Roe should have been simple too. The 4th is clear that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your person, papers, and effects. I don't know how much more private you can get than your medical decisions/medical records. Especially since we have HIPAA to guard that stuff.

And yet we got Roe and the legion of follow-on decisions, each one attempting to "clarify" some particular point. All of which have one common denominator - political ideology instead of actual clarity.

I'm betting the citizenship case ends up the same. Because, of course it has to.

 

[Rightguide]

Roe should have been simple too. The 4th is clear that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your person, papers, and effects. I don't know how much more private you can get than your medical decisions/medical records. Especially since we have HIPAA to guard that stuff.

And yet we got Roe and the legion of follow-on decisions, each one attempting to "clarify" some particular point. All of which have one common denominator - political ideology instead of actual clarity.

I'm betting the citizenship case ends up the same. Because, of course it has to.

I suppose we’ll see how the next few months unfold. But given the congressional record, the oral arguments, and the clearly documented intent of the 14th Amendment’s authors, combined with the fact that United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) never addressed children born to parents illegally present in the country, and that the Snyder Act further reinforces that citizenship is not automatically conferred by mere birth on U.S. soil, it’s hard to see how anyone could reach the opposite conclusion without overturning a mountain of historical fact and common sense. To rule that the U.S. must grant citizenship to the children of individuals here unlawfully would require rewriting both the history and the logic that have governed this issue for over a century.

 

[HisArpy]

I suppose we’ll see how the next few months unfold. But given the congressional record, the oral arguments, and the clearly documented intent of the 14th Amendment’s authors, combined with the fact that United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) never addressed children born to parents illegally present in the country, and that the Snyder Act further reinforces that citizenship is not automatically conferred by mere birth on U.S. soil, it’s hard to see how anyone could reach the opposite conclusion without overturning a mountain of historical fact and common sense. To rule that the U.S. must grant citizenship to the children of individuals here unlawfully would require rewriting both the history and the logic that have governed this issue for over a century.

The fact that the courts needed to decide Wong Kin Ark in the first places shows that logic wasn't part of the equation from the beginning.

 

[Rightguide]

The fact that the courts needed to decide Wong Kin Ark in the first places shows that logic wasn't part of the equation from the beginning.

That said, it was a different question. His parents were in the country legally.

 

[HisArpy]

That said, it was a different question. His parents were in the country legally.

But they weren't US citizens. Why would anyone think their child is a US citizen merely because he was born here?

Then consider the Visa issue. Typically a Visa is only good for a short period of time before the Visa holder must leave the country for a minimum amt of time. This is usually longer than someone can visit foreign nations.

What does the kid do when mama and daddy are gone? He's not a citizen of their country so he can't stay there longer than a visitor and his parents can't return to the US.

 

[Wilson23]

But they weren't US citizens. Why would anyone think their child is a US citizen merely because he was born here?

Because "All persons born or naturalized in the United States" are citizens.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Because "All persons born or naturalized in the United States" are citizens.

Another moron joins the fray.

 

[Wilson23]

Another moron joins the fray.

Morons wrote the Constitution?

 

[HisArpy]

Another moron joins the fray.

Same socialist moron, different account.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Same socialist moron, different account.

I've yet to see any of them address the core of the argument.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Because "All persons born or naturalized in the United States" are citizens.

You're arguing with two of the oldest, dumbest trumptards here.

One of them claims to be a lawyer...lol

 

[eric_erosfan]

Lol. Scotus rule against an actual Constitutional Amendment? You think they want Civil War?

 

[Wilson23]

Lol. Scotus rule against an actual Constitutional Amendment? You think they want Civil War?

Of course they want civil war. Can there really be any doubt at this point?

 

[Chadrone]

Lol. Scotus rule against an actual Constitutional Amendment? You think they want Civil War?

I like how you admit you'll start a war if you don't get the ruling you want.

 

[eric_erosfan]

I like how you admit you'll start a war if you don't get the ruling you want.

War is inevitable if the Constitution is destroyed. Many of us swore to defend it against all enemies.

 

[Wilson23]

War is inevitable if the Constitution is destroyed. Many of us swore to defend it against all enemies.

If things go on like this, soldiers will only be asked to swear an oath to Trump, personally.

 

[dkovic77]

I guess we'll have to see. To me, it's simple. The American Indians not taxed, though being born on American soil, never had citizenship until 1924 when the Snyder Act was passed. Why? Because they weren't politically subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Another group of people for you to hate. How many is that on your list?

Or is your list an error too?