Blue states are fighting for their right to own Mexicans....

[Saint_Ann]

Listen to Lincoln’s own words: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.“

He didn't pass the emancipation proclamation?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You know who else worries about reaction score? Rorythesnitch. Lol.

I beat Rory too in that regard.

But I love him though … .

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

He didn't pass the emancipation proclamation?

Lincoln freed the slaves during the war to draw off Confederate troops from the front lines. It was part of his strategy to preserve the Union.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Lincoln freed the slaves during the war to draw off Confederate troops from the front lines. It was part of his strategy to preserve the Union.

Ok. You just don't like the way he did it? Lol.

 

[Wilson23]

This is far and away the best source on Lincoln you'll find in any library:
https://www.amazon.com/What-Lincoln-Believed-Convictions-President/dp/1400030730

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Ok. You just don't like the way he did it? Lol.

I love Abraham Lincoln. Absolutely our greatest President. Smart as a whip, sarcastic as hell, able to balance his ideals with pragmatic politics.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I love Abraham Lincoln. Absolutely our greatest President. Smart as a whip, sarcastic as hell, able to balance his ideals with pragmatic politics.

I live in the land of Lincoln.

 

[Lazaran]

I love Abraham Lincoln. Absolutely our greatest President. Smart as a whip, sarcastic as hell, able to balance his ideals with pragmatic politics.

President Clinton, President Obama and President Biden share many of Lincoln’s attributes.

Lincoln was clearly the most remarkable of the bunch, and he would undoubtedly be a left leaning centrist Democrat today.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Saint_Ann]

The land of Lincoln has been ruled by Democrats for 6 decades give or take. We're broke. We're all paying to feed, clothes, house and educate Chicago's illegal alien slave population. Gotta keep the linens changed in the conference hotels. We're at the tipping point. There are no amount of tax dollars that will dig us out. Ny and Ca are right behind.

 

[Wilson23]

So, what are these Mexicans going for?

Have they had their shots?

 

[Wilson23]

The land of Lincoln has been ruled by Democrats for 6 decades give or take. We're broke. We're all paying to feed, clothes, house and educate Chicago's illegal alien slave population. Gotta keep the linens changed in the conference hotels. We're at the tipping point. There are no amount of tax dollars that will dig us out. Ny and Ca are right behind.

So make Chicagoland a separate state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area
https://forum.literotica.com/thread...ave-a-single-consolidated-government.1648545/

 

[Wilson23]

I love Abraham Lincoln. Absolutely our greatest President. Smart as a whip, sarcastic as hell, able to balance his ideals with pragmatic politics.

Great sense of humor, too, loved to tell jokes.

 

[Saint_Ann]

So make Chicagoland a separate state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area
https://forum.literotica.com/thread...ave-a-single-consolidated-government.1648545/

Western counties are looking toward Iowa. Eastern counties toward Indiana.

 

[Wilson23]

Western counties are looking toward Iowa.

Careful there!

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

Would we be having this discussion if Douglass had won?

Presumably there would have been no war then -- at least, not one beginning in 1860.

You two do realize that Douglas actually did go on to win, right?

And the debates were for a Senate seat, not the Presidency.

My God, I know it's the Internet, and a particularly toxic part of it at that, but I learned that shit in fourth grade.

 

[Saint_Ann]

You two do realize that Douglas actually did go on to win, right?

And the debates were for a Senate seat, not the Presidency.

My God, I know it's the Internet, and a particularly toxic part of it at that, but I learned that shit in fourth grade.

Well fuck me. Aren't you the clever one. I suppose you also want to argue Lincoln had nothing to do with abolishing slavery.

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

I suppose you also want to argue Lincoln had nothing to do with abolishing slavery.

Nope.

Short answer: It's complicated.

Longer answer: I don't think a nuanced conversation about the origins of the American Civil War and the history of how abolition came to pass is likely to occur in this particular forum

Snarky answer: I'm pretty sure slavery was Jeffrey Epstein's fault anyway. Jeffery Epstein "killed himself" after the ratification of the 13th Amendment. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Wilson23]

Well fuck me. Aren't you the clever one. I suppose you also want to argue Lincoln had nothing to do with abolishing slavery.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Soft_on_slavery.21
"Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical, and determined."
—Frederick Douglass, 1876[32][33]

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Soft_on_slavery.21

from Wilson23 on his self-own about basic American history. Instead we get another link to your favorite Wiki, lol. At least Saint_Ann had the grace to make a joke about fucking it up.

Has it ever occurred to you that a Masters in Google and a Doctorate in Speed Reading might not be the same thing as an actual education?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln–Douglas_debates

The relevant part is about 800 words in. I know it's a lot, so take some extra Adderall before you follow my link.

Bowing out now b/c this forum is a colossal waste of time, lol. See y'all sometime between a few months from now and never.

 

[Rebel5soul]

from Wilson23 on his self-own about basic American history. Instead we get another link to your favorite Wiki, lol. At least Saint_Ann had the grace to make a joke about fucking it up.

Has it ever occurred to you that a Masters in Google and a Doctorate in Speed Reading might not be the same thing as an actual education?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln–Douglas_debates

The relevant part is about 800 words in. I know it's a lot, so take some extra Adderall before you follow my link.

Bowing out now b/c this forum is a colossal waste of time, lol. See y'all sometime between a few months from now and never.

OK, that was funny.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Own? No way. The illegals work cheap. Easy to threaten if they complain. Own them? You have to feed them, house them, provide health care. Ownership is like setting up a welfare program, economic dead end,

 

[Wilson23]

Anyway, Lincoln freed the Mexicans.

 

[HisArpy]

Own? No way. The illegals work cheap. Easy to threaten if they complain. Own them? You have to feed them, house them, provide health care. Ownership is like setting up a welfare program, economic dead end,

This is correct. What you do is set up a system where they WANT to become enslaved to the system because they can't work above board or earn enough to become independent.

They even pay for their own upkeep and housing thereby maximizing profits for the plantation... err... excuse me, I meant Democrat owners.

 

[Wilson23]

This is correct. What you do is set up a system where they WANT to become enslaved to the system because they can't work above board or earn enough to become independent.

They even pay for their own upkeep and housing thereby maximizing profits for the plantation... err... excuse me, I meant Democrat owners.

I don't think you'll find many Dems owning their workplaces.

 

[HisArpy]

I don't think you'll find many Dems owning their workplaces.

This is because;

A. Many of them don't have a sufficient work ethic to start & run a business, and;
B. Of those that do, there are probably as many Dem business owners as there are R's and I's.