Can the Republic survive this election?

[about_average]

It could happen but there is a good chance he could talk his way out of a lot too.

Meh, he can do it in the US because so many people are idiots, but I doubt leaders of other countries will buy the "it was a joke" or "it was sarcasm" BS.

Clinton never talks unless it's totally scripted and with people she knows will have their tongues firmly up her ass the entire interview.

True, which is probably a good thing when dealing with international relations, though i don't know what interview you're talking about.

 

[underguy1]

Right, it's definitely reasonable for Trump to believe:
Obama has a super secret past and that he wasn't born in the US
Obama actively supported AQ in Iraq
The only way he can loose the election in PA is if there is voter fraud
That Bush deliberately lied about WMD in Iraq
Rafel Cruz was involved in JFK's assassination
Just to name a few

People who don't believe all those lack reasoning skills.

That's just a long worded logical fallacy.

Try arguing honestly.

You probably can't but give it a try anyway.

 

[underguy1]

Meh, he can do it in the US because so many people are idiots, but I doubt leaders of other countries will buy the "it was a joke" or "it was sarcasm" BS.

True, which is probably a good thing when dealing with international relations, though i don't know what interview you're talking about.

Anyone who thinks that countries go to war over personal insults is an idiot.

You're on a roll, hillary bot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Meh, he can do it in the US because so many people are idiots, but I doubt leaders of other countries will buy the "it was a joke" or "it was sarcasm" BS.

Maybe not but I also doubt the leaders of other countries want to fuck with us when CIC doesn't give 2 pumps of rat shit about hearts and minds nation building and PC warfare.

True, which is probably a good thing when dealing with international relations, though i don't know what interview you're talking about.

I don't see how but ok.

Pick one, if they go off script she just dodges or ignores the question and generally gets a bit pissy about it.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Trump will burn the house down, after that it's a crap shoot.

Hillary will continue the same old shit. The rich getting richer, and fuck everyone else until the country becomes Detroit/Chicago.

Rip the band-aid off and give it a good scrub or let it be so the infection can continue to fester...those are our options.

you need to add in that Hillary has adopted some of Bernie's socialist bullshit. ie college should be free, student loan forgiveness ...

fuck that, we need to get the obama retarded slaves working and stop looking for hand outs.

 

[The_Trouvere]

I do not see how Hillary Clinton will be any worse than Bill Clinton. I think Bill Clinton was a good president. I certainly did well during his administration.

I am a little worried about some of Trump's more unhinged supporters. They have lots of hate, and lots of guns and ammunition. Most of them are past it, though. The America they love and want to restore is old, fading, and dying like they are.

In the United States the political situation improves one funeral at a time.

 

[The_Trouvere]

you need to add in that Hillary has adopted some of Bernie's socialist bullshit. ie college should be free, student loan forgiveness ...

fuck that, we need to get the obama retarded slaves working and stop looking for hand outs.

What have you ever done for a living?

 

[BotanyBoy]

you need to add in that Hillary has adopted some of Bernie's socialist bullshit. ie college should be free, student loan forgiveness ...

Public schools should be 'free' for those who are good enough to go.

Hillary won't do that though she'll just defer those kids 'tuition' cost to some other poor fuckers who will get hosed even more.

The rich will get richer, the upper middle class will stop stagnating and start to slip....the poor will get poorer.

I do not see how Hillary Clinton will be any worse than Bill Clinton.

Nah...he loved helping the 1% fuck the country, she's just here to finish the job.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I do not see how Hillary Clinton will be any worse than Bill Clinton. I think Bill Clinton was a good president. I certainly did well during his administration.

I am a little worried about some of Trump's more unhinged supporters. They have lots of hate, and lots of guns and ammunition. Most of them are past it, though. The America they love and want to restore is old, fading, and dying like they are.

In the United States the political situation improves one funeral at a time.

clearly, your mentally defective. guess that's why you still live at Mom's. Have you ever had a desire or wish to get your own place? What about finding a real job?

Hey, not everyone can be a winner but you mastered being a whinner

 

[RUlookingup]

Not offered.....we'll be fine either way. Since it wasn't offered, I offered the second best choice.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Public schools should be 'free' for those who are good enough to go.

Hillary won't do that though she'll just defer those kids 'tuition' cost to some other poor fuckers who will get hosed even more.

The rich will get richer, the upper middle class will stop stagnating and start to slip....the poor will get poorer.



Nah...he loved helping the 1% fuck the country, she's just here to finish the job.

k-12 yes, its okay to have that free. college, no fucking way. just like all the other stuff queen obama gives away, the salves do not respect it and destroy it. hence, government housing always ends up looking like shit and turns into the slums became the animals run wild.

nothing in life should EVER be free

 

[srgreene]

I mean....seriously? I don't think that it can if Trump wins, and I'm not one percent sure that it can survive much of Hillary, but at least it has a fighting chance with her. With Trump, I think that we'll see unmitigated calamity and a constitutional crisis that will imperil the Union's very existence.

Why do you think it cannot survive a Trump presidency?

It is Hillary who wants to change this nation into something it is not today. She will nationalize health care- that means a lessor role for the USA being the engine of new and promising therapies. Hillary also will allow a lot of immigration from the Moslem world, exposing our young women to the depredations of Moslem men seeking kuffar sex slaves and and man who has the balls to defend his woman risk being murdered in the traditional Moslem way.

Think I am exaggerating? Well here's the latest on the Twin Falls case in which a bunch of savage immigrant boys raped and urinated on and in a little girl's mouth. The politicians were very concerned about Islamophobia. About the little girl and her family- not so much. Ok, one of the little dhimmi politicians apologized to the mom for publicly denying that these boys had violated her daughters:

http://pamelageller.com/2016/08/twin-falls-politican-apologizes-to-5-yo-rape-victim.html/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...mes-parent-five-year-old-refugee-rape-victim/

Hillary wants to let more people in this county to support the ideology that says it is ok to make sex slaves of kuffar women to and for adult men to screw little girls. The USA as it is now cannot survive that presidency. Trump- not an ideal candidate, to be sure- will do what he can to stop it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

k-12 yes, its okay to have that free. college, no fucking way. just like all the other stuff queen obama gives away, the salves do not respect it and destroy it. hence, government housing always ends up looking like shit and turns into the slums became the animals run wild.

nothing in life should EVER be free

The results of the military academies absolutely destroy your statements.

Public higher education works and is an undeniable benefit to society and a worthwhile investment as long as it's an investment in actual education to those that are worthy.

 

[sr71plt]

The U.S. government (and services) is pretty much run on an even keel by the bureaucracy with only minor leanings in one direction or the other from one administration to another. I've been on the streets of Washington, D.C., with antigovernment demonstrations running amok and have seen crazy directives coming down from crazy presidents (and I can remember the moaning that the pope "for sure" would rule the United States when JFK won).

As long as one or both of the major party candidates isn't popped off during the campaign, I think the nation will manage OK. If that happens, yes, I think there will be a lot of confusion and breath holding until something gets worked out. Unless the power center in the Congress changes, it will more or less be Congress stagnating and doing an Obama on either Clinton or Trump, depending on who gets in. (If you haven't noticed, Trump isn't really welcomed by the congressional Republican establishment any more than Clinton is even if they hold their noses and say they endorse him--and he'll be even less welcomed when they find out he has no plans to do anything the Republicans wanted done.)

I think if the Democrats take Congress and Hillary wins, the nation will be just hunky-dory and those Swiftboating her--from both sides--will find that she does few of things they are sure she will do. If Trump wins, I think his supporters are in for a REAL surprise on just how little he's going to do for anyone but Trump--and he'll have a hell of a time getting that done.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

The U.S. government (and services) is pretty much run on an even keel by the bureaucracy with only minor leanings in one direction or the other from one administration to another. I've been on the streets of Washington, D.C., with antigovernment demonstrations running amok and have seen crazy directives coming down from crazy presidents (and I can remember the moaning that the pope "for sure" would rule the United States when JFK won).

As long as one or both of the major party candidates isn't popped off during the campaign, I think the nation will manage OK. If that happens, yes, I think there will be a lot of confusion and breath holding until something gets worked out. Unless the power center in the Congress changes, it will more or less be Congress stagnating and doing an Obama on either Clinton or Trump, depending on who gets in. (If you haven't noticed, Trump isn't really welcomed by the congressional Republican establishment any more than Clinton is even if they hold their noses and say they endorse him--and he'll be even less welcomed when they find out he has no plans to do anything the Republicans wanted done.)

I think if the Democrats take Congress and Hillary wins, the nation will be just hunky-dory and those Swiftboating her--from both sides--will find that she does few of things they are sure she will do. If Trump wins, I think his supporters are in for a REAL surprise on just how little he's going to do for anyone but Trump--and he'll have a hell of a time getting that done.

So, your argument for optimism is that they're both lying....well, of course, they're both lying, but the only question is which part are they lying about....which items on the agenda? Anyway, I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary, because even if she's lying, her lies are less scary than Trump's.

 

[sr71plt]

So, your argument for optimism is that they're both lying....well, of course, they're both lying, but the only question is which part are they lying about....which items on the agenda? Anyway, I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary, because even if she's lying, her lies are less scary than Trump's.

Well, no. I think others are lying about them more than either one of them is lying. I think Hillary can bend to reality and the possibility of compromise to getting some movement toward goals over time and already has been changed on some issues (for the good, I think) by the Bernie campaign. I don't think she has or ever will do what the Swiftboaters say she will do. (Like this second amendment business. Which means she won't be doing some of the things I think should be done. But she'd still be a strong, steady keel president overall--certainly stronger than anyone else who put their hat in the ring from either major party this time.) I think she has strictly stayed within the bounds of not promising more than she thinks she can do (given a Democratic Congress behind her), and, in fact, I think much of her loss to Obama in 2008 was because she refused to promise the pie in the sky that he did. She'd been in the White House councils and she knew where the limits were--and didn't make promises beyond them. Obama was raw and he made some wild-eyed promises, which always goes well with the little-informed electorate we have the United States.

I think she screwed up on the e-mail business and even probably in the sloughing together family business and government business, and if she gets taken down, so be it. But if she does, I think (and I was inside the government for thirty years) it's because they just got around to fingering her for what was the norm (through both Democratic and Republican administrations--the Bush administration illegally destroyed far more improperly sent e-mails than she ever did, but hacking hadn't been as well refined or understood then) back to Thomas Jefferson. If she weathers these storms I think she's a smart enough cookie not to be trapped into them again (whereas I think Trump will just continue to Trump around). The e-mail business, in particular, is mainly one of not getting a full grip on new technology for a while. Both Powell and Rice had the same problem as did my own department of government (an intelligence department) as the Internet and e-mailing came in. It was mostly honest failure to fully understand the issues involved with new technology.

As far as Trump, I don't think he lies about what he thinks he's going to do. I think he just genuinely flip-flops on that from hour to hour and that he's just clueless about nearly everything involved with governing. I think it's all about what will put money in his personal bank account and that that's been the con man goal from the get go with him.

 

[about_average]

The results of the military academies absolutely destroy your statements.

On come on, you know they are a bunch of low-life slobs.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

The results of the military academies absolutely destroy your statements.

Public higher education works and is an undeniable benefit to society and a worthwhile investment as long as it's an investment in actual education to those that are worthy.

by your logic, you are comparing a rock to an orange

people need to work for their shit, otherwise they don't respect it and the animals will destroy it. just look at Milwaukee

part of the solution for higher education is to cut off all federal funding and force them to compete for students and money. I know that word is evil to slaves, liberals, obama...competition makes the world a better place.

 

[coati]

This poll is a push-poll, because it does not include an option for survival of the Republic if either of the two major candidates wins.

I'd bet on the missing option, because we still have checks and balances in our system, and because we survived Nixon and Agnew in my lifetime.

 

[BotanyBoy]

by your logic, you are comparing a rock to an orange

No I'm not, West Point, Annapolis and USAF Academy are some of the best schools on the planet and they don't cost the students a dime because the public pays for them.

part of the solution for higher education is to cut off all federal funding and force them to compete for students and money. I know that word is evil to slaves, liberals, obama...competition makes the world a better place.

That's not the only solution.

Public schools work very well if they aren't being used to generate income for a few greedy shits.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

No I'm not, West Point, Annapolis and USAF Academy are some of the best schools on the planet and they don't cost the students a dime because the public pays for them.



That's not the only solution.

Public schools work very well if they aren't being used to generate income for a few greedy shits.

you just don't see nor understand the big picture. Did you ever? Clearly, all that pot you smoke isn't helping

someone wants to attend college: great! now, the first test, figure out how to pay for it. we did and so should you!

this never ending obama bull shit of people demanding entitlements. We need real Americans to tell obama and it's kind to just say no! and get a fucking job to pay for the shit they want.

 

[Misshotndeep]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gC7_Y1bKqKc/TnnLtug-4sI/AAAAAAAADLc/auM-Jgcow5c/s1600/sarah-palin-laughing.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

you just don't see nor understand the big picture. Did you ever? Clearly, all that pot you smoke isn't helping

someone wants to attend college: great! now, the first test, figure out how to pay for it. we did and so should you!

That doesn't change the fact that public education can work and effectively.

this never ending obama bull shit of people demanding entitlements.

West Point has been around and free for far longer than Obama.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

That doesn't change the fact that public education can work and effectively.



West Point has been around and free for far longer than Obama.

why should college be free? to reward the lazy? isn't part of the goal for education is to help people become independent and have the ability to solve problems?

well problem #1 - pay for your own fucking college education.

side note: after going to west point, how many years of service does one usually perform?

"Service" this is something obama and its kind know nothing about as they perform nothing expect spend/waste taxpayer money. They spend it like Bill Clinton in a whore house, because those people are so out of touch with reality and have no fucking clue what it takes to create a dollar of wealth/value.

 

[BotanyBoy]

why should college be free?

Because some people are worth the investment.

Do you think we should bury our military cadets in debt?

Do we need to do that to them and make their lives more difficult just to be bigger assholes?