Character survey and discusion (DnD)

[cats]

Arcane archer is pretty good, it's nice to have every arrow automatically be enchanted, but latter in the game it's just as easy to get a magic bow to do the same job, and in terms of damage the Order of the Bow does much more provided your with in 30 ft. To top it off you don't need to pick up an arcane class to get it, that allows a little more accuracy.

I was talking to a long term player recently and he was complaining that every plays elves half elves and humans now. No one really does dwarfs any more.

I've made some where between 30 to 50 character that will most likely not be used and I was surprised I had a couple humans but mostly half elves and elves. No Gnomes, halflings, dwarfs, or half orc. (Granted I think the half orc is the worse race choice out there.)

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by TheScarletBlade
Drow suck,they couldnt fight anything on the surface and their darkness and fairy fire are not that strong.Personally you go elf,go Order of the Bow Initate and Deep Wood Sniper...and then you can be completely awesome with a bow.Also though,Frenzied bezerkers are really cool.But as for races,I think Human's are useless,just take a flaw and get a free feat,than be a mountian orc and get +4 strength and only like -2 chrisma and -2 Intellegence. But also,I don't klnow if anyone has looked at the Shade race before,but they would make the best assassins in the world,cept for their +4 level adjustments.

yeah but you're all about strength. Like I said you can get that feat which allows them to move and fight in daylight without any penalties. Yeah you are one feat short, but you get the -2 con, +2 dex, +2 cha, +2 int. I think there's another -2 adjustment but I don't remember. Darkness actually blinds people, and you get darkvision which is useful because ambushes are at night and of course you look cool. They suck if you're a cleric cuz you get killed by Lloth or Lolth (depending on how you call her) if you get past like level 15.

I dunno, I don't like to use ranged weapons in general, I use melee and light armor, so high dex is helpful. Unless if I go for spell blade or whatever that class is that allows for less spellcasting failure. You can tank, and be a great spellcaster.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

Why are Half Orcs bad? what did they ever do to you? Humans,Elves and Half elves suck,they are overrated,personally I would wager a dwarven battle axe vs a elven bow anyday or a Cleric of Gond's gun vs a humans sword,but then again,those who live by the sword...die by the gun.

Hell be a war mage from the minitures hand book...or be a SpellSword,wear plate mail armor,look like a knight then sudden throw a magic fire ball,lol

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by cats
Arcane archer is pretty good, it's nice to have every arrow automatically be enchanted, but latter in the game it's just as easy to get a magic bow to do the same job, and in terms of damage the Order of the Bow does much more provided your with in 30 ft. To top it off you don't need to pick up an arcane class to get it, that allows a little more accuracy.

I was talking to a long term player recently and he was complaining that every plays elves half elves and humans now. No one really does dwarfs any more.

I've made some where between 30 to 50 character that will most likely not be used and I was surprised I had a couple humans but mostly half elves and elves. No Gnomes, halflings, dwarfs, or half orc. (Granted I think the half orc is the worse race choice out there.)

well I was referring to mainly the ability to link spells to arrows which is awesome, but yeah you have a point there, you can get a magic bow or have the wizard make it.

I dunno, I've played elves from the beggining. There are great dwarf tank classes, and I'm pretty sure you can make a good Halfling whirling dervish. Some classes could benefit from Half-Orcs. Gnomes there's the Gnome tinkerer which is pretty special so that's pretty cool.

I actually had friends who mainly played Teiflings.

 

[poohlive]

I've mostly played dwarves. I think it came about cause my first experience with DND 3.0 I was a halfling, and I really got into the character, but he was boring, (a rogue wizard, which was a lot of fun... but still boring, cause I couldn't really fight. I was stuck casting spells and unlocking doors for everyone).

So, my next adventure, I decided to go the exact opposite of a halfling... which probably would have been half orc, but I thought Dwarf fighter was more fun. I like playing dwarves, although, even now, it's turning into same old boring.

So, I guess I'll have to try something else now. Elves don't seem like much fun, I'm thinking personality wise... not scores or stats or anything. I tried a half orc barbarian once, that wasn't too bad, nothing wrong with being pure muscle in the group.

Maybe a specialized human... or an elf who got hit on the head and thinks he's a dwarf. Now that'd be funny.

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by poohlive
I've mostly played dwarves. I think it came about cause my first experience with DND 3.0 I was a halfling, and I really got into the character, but he was boring, (a rogue wizard, which was a lot of fun... but still boring, cause I couldn't really fight. I was stuck casting spells and unlocking doors for everyone).

So, my next adventure, I decided to go the exact opposite of a halfling... which probably would have been half orc, but I thought Dwarf fighter was more fun. I like playing dwarves, although, even now, it's turning into same old boring.

So, I guess I'll have to try something else now. Elves don't seem like much fun, I'm thinking personality wise... not scores or stats or anything. I tried a half orc barbarian once, that wasn't too bad, nothing wrong with being pure muscle in the group.

Maybe a specialized human... or an elf who got hit on the head and thinks he's a dwarf. Now that'd be funny.

that's actually really funny. I definitely couldn't play it though, I'd probably be laughing too hard.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

I played a blind wizard that hated Elves and he indeed was one.He used to ramble on about he hated elves and that he should rally humans to destroy all elves and that how elves should be burned and condemned for being aloof and arrogant.

He tought that when people laughed at him it was becuase they thought his ideals were funny but it was becuase he really was an elf.In the end,when He took the wild talen feat and multicrossed with a psion and took thrall hearder,he commanded his little minions to kill all elves and they attacked him.

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by TheScarletBlade
I played a blind wizard that hated Elves and he indeed was one.He used to ramble on about he hated elves and that he should rally humans to destroy all elves and that how elves should be burned and condemned for being aloof and arrogant.

He tought that when people laughed at him it was becuase they thought his ideals were funny but it was becuase he really was an elf.In the end,when He took the wild talen feat and multicrossed with a psion and took thrall hearder,he commanded his little minions to kill all elves and they attacked him.

THAT is interesting. I dunno, at least there's someone who likes mages.

Oh yeah I just thought about something that Dwarves are really cool with. They can tank and not take penalties to speed. I don't remember if that's part of the dwarven fighter class or what, but I do remember seeing that somewhere. So being a dwarf in someways is awesome.

 

[SaphireCameo1]

I like mages *smiles* I play Ultima Online and have well a lot of characters most of which are mages.

Mage/ Tamer
Warrior
Paladin
Mage / Thief
Mage /Scribe
Archer / Fencer
Macer


and the list goes on I have like 7 characters or more and more to make but my favourite is the mage as it is versatile and yes allows me to be a big woose and stand back BUT it also allows me to be more tactical rather then having to stand toe to toe to cause damage.


Any way thats my two cents worth *smiles and zaps TSB with another fireball before running off* Silly Barbarian *grins*

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by SaphireCameo1
I like mages *smiles* I play Ultima Online and have well a lot of characters most of which are mages.

Mage/ Tamer
Warrior
Paladin
Mage / Thief
Mage /Scribe
Archer / Fencer
Macer


and the list goes on I have like 7 characters or more and more to make but my favourite is the mage as it is versatile and yes allows me to be a big woose and stand back BUT it also allows me to be more tactical rather then having to stand toe to toe to cause damage.


Any way thats my two cents worth *smiles and zaps TSB with another fireball before running off* Silly Barbarian *grins*

hahaha, do you have any melee mages? or Gish types?

 

[cats]

Has every one here voted in the pole? If thats the case I'd say fighters aren't to popular.

Okay back into the discusion as far as acting iun character I can see being half orc kinda fun but I'd get board with it. Humans aren't to bad, if you use skills often and trying a class that doesn't allow many skills, also they can allow you to get prostiege classes faster via extra feat or I often see them used for that any how.

Elves are fairly good, you can use them as sentries, they only need an hour of rest each day in order to avoid penatlies the next day. Every one else needs something like six. The extra time can be used to get daily spells also. As a straight mage or cleric and even rogue you can use long sword and long bow still so you need not worry about not doing damage at 1st level. But by farthe best elf ability is passing with in ten feet of a hidden door or trap you get a free spot check. Half elves I'm not defending.

Dwarves get to move at full speed even while wearing heavy armor, granted there full speed is 20 ft. Humans, elves, and both half breeds are faster then dwarves and small characters the rest of the time.

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by cats
Has every one here voted in the pole? If thats the case I'd say fighters aren't to popular.

Okay back into the discusion as far as acting iun character I can see being half orc kinda fun but I'd get board with it. Humans aren't to bad, if you use skills often and trying a class that doesn't allow many skills, also they can allow you to get prostiege classes faster via extra feat or I often see them used for that any how.

Elves are fairly good, you can use them as sentries, they only need an hour of rest each day in order to avoid penatlies the next day. Every one else needs something like six. The extra time can be used to get daily spells also. As a straight mage or cleric and even rogue you can use long sword and long bow still so you need not worry about not doing damage at 1st level. But by farthe best elf ability is passing with in ten feet of a hidden door or trap you get a free spot check. Half elves I'm not defending.

Dwarves get to move at full speed even while wearing heavy armor, granted there full speed is 20 ft. Humans, elves, and both half breeds are faster then dwarves and small characters the rest of the time.

Not exactly see I have a problem, I like spellcasters, but I like melee characters a lot too, so I ahve the problem in that I can't really vote Arcane when I love to play a monk too.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

Bah,all your character classes are weak.D20 Jedi Gaurdian with the prestige class Jedi Weaponmaster would smack all of you around with a wave of his hand and a double bladed silver lightsaber

 

[Donsehan]

hahaha Jedi aren't in here don't forget that, and don't forget a mage could do just as much damage as a Jedi or even similar classes to the bladesinger.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

Not against my jedi weapon master with CR 10 so hes not at full levels in weapon master and he already does two attacks with 6d8 damage from his light saber and since its a double,I get four hits that deal 6d8,no mage can top me

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by TheScarletBlade
Not against my jedi weapon master with CR 10 so hes not at full levels in weapon master and he already does two attacks with 6d8 damage from his light saber and since its a double,I get four hits that deal 6d8,no mage can top me

lightsabers are heavy damage things though, so that's pretty broken in a DnD world, unless if you play modern settings. Of course a mage could simply let you deal with a huge dragon, or some other annoyance like a genie.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

We accutally tried my jedi vs a dragon...I won becuase of my force feats...it cant hit something it cant see...and it cant take a lightsaber slicing through its dragon scales.

 

[poohlive]

Even with incredible attack powers, and two hits at once, you are looking at Melee damage there. A mage can be a mile away and attack you with his powers.

Unless you're thinking of throwing that light saber, I'd advise another strategy. Although, it would be an interesting fight to see.

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by poohlive
Even with incredible attack powers, and two hits at once, you are looking at Melee damage there. A mage can be a mile away and attack you with his powers.

Unless you're thinking of throwing that light saber, I'd advise another strategy. Although, it would be an interesting fight to see.

haha, point there, and they could be in the air, invisible.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

God I love the force,you can use it to see the mage,then use force stealth which is not magic so it cant be dispelled,you creep up and hack him with a light saber and when you get hurt you just force heal your wounds.

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by TheScarletBlade
God I love the force,you can use it to see the mage,then use force stealth which is not magic so it cant be dispelled,you creep up and hack him with a light saber and when you get hurt you just force heal your wounds.

force stealth?? that's a new one, I never jedi could go invis.

 

[poohlive]

Force versus Magic? I don't know. Seems like they could cancel each other out.

I know what you mean when you say the force doesn't act the same as magic, and therefor you can't dispell it, but at the same time... magic doesn't act the same way as the force, and therefor, you really couldn't dispell it either.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be a really good fight, but I think if the mage could keep his distance, he'd have your ass...

 

[Donsehan]

Originally posted by poohlive
Force versus Magic? I don't know. Seems like they could cancel each other out.

I know what you mean when you say the force doesn't act the same as magic, and therefor you can't dispell it, but at the same time... magic doesn't act the same way as the force, and therefor, you really couldn't dispell it either.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be a really good fight, but I think if the mage could keep his distance, he'd have your ass...

well as you pointed out it doesn't work the same, like psionics don't work the same, except force works so different you can't really compare.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

Force stealth is a force skill in Star Wars D20,it doesnt make them go like invisable like an invisable spell it just makes people who cannot feel the force think the jedi is not there,that means the mage wouldnt think I am a jedi or his enemy...I skippty skip skip up to him and then its over.Also Jedi have amazing reflex saves and enchance ability skills...they will just dodge for half damage.

 

[poohlive]

You know what... I give up.


You're right, you're character could kill anything or anyone, and no one else could ever do anything about it. Congrats.