Check your privilege

[Kitty]

In the US it can mean the difference between getting shot and just getting tazed, or better still, let off with a warning.

Plz to put away the butthurt and denial and just accept that white privilege is a thing. All this passive aggressive jackassery is so tedious.

Jackassery. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/giggle.gif

 

[bg23]

I did an ethnography paper last semester on the differences of beauty across the world, and China apparently has: Gao Fu Shuai, which means tall, rich and handsome. And Bai Fu Mei, which is for women meaning white, rich and beautiful. I know for men height means a lot, something about health, status and confidence for women, I don't see its impact on my score. I think it boiled down to my race and my money, and then religion. They didn't even ask about education!?

Yeah, height is a huge thing for asians I think. When I got married my family kept exclaiming over how tall my husband was. It was like, OMG THIS IS NEW TO US! And my cousin's bf is 6'3 and every time he meets somebody new they force him to stand up so they can compare how tall he is...its awkward.


Yeah, lots of things left out in it. Education, age, and the job options were super super limited. Then there's philosophical beliefs, marital status, parental status -- all these things affect our privilege. So its really NOT accurate, just a very very brief summary but it's still kind of fun to see. I don't think it's meant to be super serious.

 

[CandiCame]

I'm not super well versed in it but sex and gender are different. Sex I THINK is physiological - ie, what you're born with and what parts you have. Gender refers to what you identify as. So a Cis person is somebody who identifies as the same gender to which they were born - ie, I am a Cis Female.

A trans person identifies as something other than what they're born.

Genderfluid people identify as either? Both? I'm really not an expert, this is just sort of what I gleaned and if I'm being horribly ignorant/triggering please feel free to correct me.

Genderfluid reject societies gendered two tier system and just act as themselves. This causes them to fall at different places on the spectrum depending on how it swinging at that exact moment in time. I'm biologically male, but I'm often /perceived/ as female or, even more often, people will flat out ask what my gender is because that's an acceptable thing to do in their heads. They do it with race too. I have absolutely no idea why they think that's an ok thing to do. Because this is so awkward, as people don't know what kind of pronouns to use on genderfluid folk (hint most of us don't give a flying fuck) people have been trying to get gender-neutral pronouns for centuries. In the 1800s we pretty much settled on 'they/their' but bored teens who aren't really genderfluid but desperately want to pretend to be oppressed have come up with entire dumbass charts of dumbassery for this. Hold on a sec and I'll try to hunt one up.

 

[bg23]

I agree, though I'm going to enjoy seeing the people I expect to be offended by this being offended by this.

Right? So many white dudes "BUT I GREW UP POOR AND THIS BLACK KID HAD A MERCEDES and I NEVER GOT ANY DATES HOW IS THAT PRIVILEGE"

also "This one time I was in a job interview and a woman got a job over me because she was flirty and hot! HOW IS THAT MALE PRIVILEGE!"



life is hard bros

 

[bg23]

I think you have the butthurt reversed.

Hurt butt? I'm sorry, I'll try not to kick so hard next time.

 

[Aquagal]

I'm not super well versed in it but sex and gender are different. Sex I THINK is physiological - ie, what you're born with and what parts you have. Gender refers to what you identify as. So a Cis person is somebody who identifies as the same gender to which they were born - ie, I am a Cis Female.

A trans person identifies as something other than what they're born.

Genderfluid people identify as either? Both? I'm really not an expert, this is just sort of what I gleaned and if I'm being horribly ignorant/triggering please feel free to correct me.

Thanks!

So I retook it, and that bumped me up to a 100. Going back with the alternative Latina option put me at a 25.

 

[Kitty]

Yeah, height is a huge thing for asians I think. When I got married my family kept exclaiming over how tall my husband was. It was like, OMG THIS IS NEW TO US! And my cousin's bf is 6'3 and every time he meets somebody new they force him to stand up so they can compare how tall he is...its awkward.


Yeah, lots of things left out in it. Education, age, and the job options were super super limited. Then there's philosophical beliefs, marital status, parental status -- all these things affect our privilege. So its really NOT accurate, just a very very brief summary but it's still kind of fun to see. I don't think it's meant to be super serious.

It's okay, I give it a B- for a quiz. But my score changing significantly just because I checked one different race?...This quiz has a point lol

 

[dolf]

Yeah, lots of things left out in it. Education, age, and the job options were super super limited. Then there's philosophical beliefs, marital status, parental status -- all these things affect our privilege. So its really NOT accurate, just a very very brief summary but it's still kind of fun to see. I don't think it's meant to be super serious.

especially for the uk, accent & speaking skills should be waaaay high on the list. it seems they don't adjust for a nation's culture, they just give points for living there.

 

[toubab]

Hurt butt? I'm sorry, I'll try not to kick so hard next time.

You still don't get it? I'm not the one who is butthurt. I'm white, and not complaining about it.

 

[dolf]

You still don't get it? I'm not the one who is butthurt. I'm white, and not complaining about it.

you're coming across as butthurt though. reread and you'll see.

 

[bg23]

I fiddled some. I don't think race is countered enough by wealth. a black billionaire isn't going to be subjected to the same racial disadvantage as a black garbage man.
you can see with cosby how wealth & fame can make it so a white woman's rape claim against a black guy doesn't get the same reaction as you'd imagine if he was poor & living in the south.

We should submit our observations and force them to change their algorithm.


The other thing is, the appearance of privilege can sometimes be as good as privilege, just as the absence of markers of privilege means basically no privilege.

If the rich black dude isn't dressed well enough walking down the street in just casual clothes or god forbid, a hoodie, he might as well not be rich at all. In that case his race is the sole determining factor in how people treat him.

 

[CandiCame]

Here's a pronoun list from entitled rich kids: http://askanonbinary.tumblr.com/post/74544202338/list-of-pronouns

 

[toubab]

you're coming across as butthurt though. reread and you'll see.

Not in the least. Those complaining about white privilege are obviously butthurt, however. Majorly.

 

[CandiCame]

We should submit our observations and force them to change their algorithm.


The other thing is, the appearance of privilege can sometimes be as good as privilege, just as the absence of markers of privilege means basically no privilege.

If the rich black dude isn't dressed well enough walking down the street in just casual clothes or god forbid, a hoodie, he might as well not be rich at all. In that case his race is the sole determining factor in how people treat him.

That's passing privilege. If you can pass for something (like white, in my case, even tho I'm mixed) you still get that privilege. If you can't pass you don't get it. Which is something else this doesn't take into account EXCEPT on gender, and even then just on trans. I'm passing genderfluid. But that's not an option. There's a difference between being passing genderfluid and a guy in drag. And sometimes that difference is a lynch mob.

 

[bg23]

You still don't get it? I'm not the one who is butthurt. I'm white, and not complaining about it.

OK- I apologise. Your original post just sounded super, super sarcastic.

 

[dolf]

Not in the least. Those complaining about white privilege are obviously butthurt, however. Majorly.

no, read what I wrote, I said 'coming across as'. and you are.

 

[dolf]

OK- I apologise. Your original post just sounded super, super sarcastic.

'coming across as'

 

[Kitty]

That's passing privilege. If you can pass for something (like white, in my case, even tho I'm mixed) you still get that privilege. If you can't pass you don't get it. Which is something else this doesn't take into account EXCEPT on gender, and even then just on trans. I'm passing genderfluid. But that's not an option. There's a difference between being passing genderfluid and a guy in drag. And sometimes that difference is a lynch mob.

What're you mixed with?

 

[bg23]

no, read what I wrote, I said 'coming across as'. and you are.

yeah, the way i read it it sounded like, "omg dude don't you know? whiteness is magic! it makes up for everything! even if you're poor, and crippled, and ugly, and have no arms, and can't talk and have a tiny dick and didn't graduate high school - whiteness is the magic cloak that makes everything better and you just have to realise how LUCKY YOU ARE!" which is sarcastic because it exaggerates the level of awesome that whiteness can bring.

a lot of people talk about white privilege this way to illustrate how ludicrous the idea of white privilege is - they don't accept that it's something that is very powerful, and seek to exaggerate what they think the other side is saying. like, somebody says "white privilege is good" but they don't believe it, they think "i'm poor so i'm not privileged". and when we insist, they're like "oh ok so white privilege is so good that it can BE MAGIC AND DO ALL THIS THEN" = sarcasm.

but he was being sincere. i think we just disagree on how awesome whiteness is - to me, it's not like, "a magical cloak that makes everything better" it just kind of gives you like a 400 year head start.

 

[Wrong Element]

especially for the uk, accent & speaking skills should be waaaay high on the list. it seems they don't adjust for a nation's culture, they just give points for living there.

Even within a nation's culture. Identifying as (Protestant) Christian is extremely important in much of the U.S., but relatively unimportant in places like the Pacific coast states and New England, which are pretty secular even if most people are nominally Christian.

 

[CandiCame]

What're you mixed with?

Native is the short answer. The long answer, that I had to know for my minority grant is, "Eastern band of the Cherokee nation: Blue cat clan."

Having a white dad and a native mom makes for a /fun/ thanksgiving.

 

[toubab]

OK- I apologise. Your original post just sounded super, super sarcastic.

You apologized too soon. I was being sarcastic, because there are so many things more important than having white skin it's ridiculous to place so much importance on such a thing. There are millions upon millions of white people in the US, for example, who are in a far worse situation than millions upon millions of people who aren't white. Being white isn't what it's cracked up to be for them. Other factors are far more important, obviously.

 

[toubab]

no, read what I wrote, I said 'coming across as'. and you are.

I know what you said.

 

[CandiCame]

You apologized too soon. I was being sarcastic, because there are so many things more important than having white skin it's ridiculous to place so much importance on such a thing. There are millions upon millions of white people in the US, for example, who are in a far worse situation than millions upon millions of people who aren't white. Being white isn't what it's cracked up to be for them. Other factors are far more important, obviously.

Idk man, it's worked for me. My brother's not white passing and we can compare, apples to apples, because we're full blood siblings, and it's fucking awesome. I don't get ANY of the microagressions he does in regard to race.

 

[bg23]

You apologized too soon. I was being sarcastic, because there are so many things more important than having white skin it's ridiculous to place so much importance on such a thing. There are millions upon millions of white people in the US, for example, who are in a far worse situation than millions upon millions of people who aren't white. Being white isn't what it's cracked up to be for them. Other factors are far more important, obviously.

Yep, duly withdrawn. I have no idea why you felt the need to state this, nowhere has anyone denied the fact that plenty of white people suffer from plenty of obstacles. Nor has anyone EXCEPT YOU stated that white privilege is the be-all and end-all that makes your life awesome.

It's a privilege to be white. It's a privilege to be male. It's a privilege to be educated. It's a privilege to be beautiful. It's a privilege to be rich. Does this mean your life is going to be awesome and you are guaranteed happiness? No. Does it mean you're going to be a better position than anyone else in a similar position to you but who DOESN'T experience that privilege? Absolutely. A rich white man has it better than a rich black man. A poor white man still has it better than a poor black man. And a poor white man has it better than a poor white woman. And a pretty poor white girl has it better than an ugly poor white girl. And an educated black girl has it better than an uneducated black girl. Are you starting to understand the concept of privilege now?

So, seriously dude. Bandage up that ass. It looks sore.