Children of Beslan

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Irrespective of whether the invasion of Iraq was justified or not, no right thinking person would believe that the coalition forces deliberately targeted children...

Those were two different groups of people with two different sets of objectives, but both groups could contemplate — or convince themselves not to contemplate — the deaths of a large number of innocent children to reach their desired goal.

Is there any distinction between deaths whether they come from ground level or from ten thousand feet?

 

[cloudy]

Is anyone but me wondering how a thread about the horrendous way children were killed in Russia became, once again, about the situation in Iraq?

C'mon, folks, give it a break.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Is anyone but me wondering how a thread about the horrendous way children were killed in Russia became, once again, about the situation in Iraq?

C'mon, folks, give it a break.

We went from the anguish and sorrow of what we saw in Russia to an attempt to understand how such a thing could ever occur, how anyone could be so monstrous as to murder children and innocents, and from there it just naturally went on to Iraq.

I in no way draw any comparison between our intentions in Iraq and what they intended in Beslan, but slaughter is slaughter, and if you ever wonder how it is that people can sit by while innocents are murdered, just look around.

---dr.M.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

We went from the anguish and sorrow of what we saw in Russia to an attempt to understand how such a thing could ever occur, how anyone could be so monstrous as to murder children and innocents, and from there it just naturally went on to Iraq.

I in no way draw any comparison between our intentions in Iraq and what they intended in Beslan, but slaughter is slaughter, and if you ever wonder how it is that people can sit by while innocents are murdered, just look around.

---dr.M.

I agree with Cloudy. I think the word murder in your post isn't insignificant.

Innocents died in the war in Iraq, but there was no premeditated attempt to kill them. There was in particular no premeditated plan to kill children. That isn't the case here. It was not just a possibility innocents might die, it was the plan that they should.

-Colly

 

[cloudy]

I agree with Cloudy. I think the word murder in your post isn't insignificant.

Innocents died in the war in Iraq, but there was no premeditated attempt to kill them. There was in particular no premeditated plan to kill children. That isn't the case here. It was not just a possibility innocents might die, it was the plan that they should.

-Colly

Exactly.

 

[minsue]

You can certainly tell it's an election year. We can't even seem to mourn without gathering into our seperate camps.

 

[pop_54]

I'm with rgraham on this. When did shots of devastation in Chechen cites ever get this amt of publicity? 1000s of men women and children. no bloody act excuses another; most bloody acts provoke another.

So you and Rgraham it appears have no real sympathy for the murder of completely innocent school children most of whom weren't even born when the Chechen war took off... I see only excuses for it rather than any attempt to follow the purpose of this thread, and wish to post some feeling of horror at yet another bunch of fanatics causing the death of innocents.

Shit you two aresholes take the fucking biscuit... and that goes for the rest of you dragging this thread into Iraq and politics.

And don't give us the crap about Iraq, we all know how wrong that show has been... but it is fuck all to do with this thread... If you want to start a thread about Russia's evil in the Chechen lands, why not do so instead of poluting this one with your views while people are burying their dead kids this very day.

PS: I don't know about America but the Chechen war was reported daily over here... and is reported every time it flares up.

 

[cloudy]

You can certainly tell it's an election year. We can't even seem to mourn without gathering into our seperate camps.

See? That's what bothered me to begin with. I'm appalled, just like everyone else, at what went on in Russia, but it ticks me off that someone has to come along and make it about Iraq, and what's going on there.

Seems damned arrogant to me (not you, Min, in general). It's not about Iraq - it's about those children.

 

[Guest]

So you and Rgraham it appears have no real sympathy for the murder of completely innocent school children most of whom weren't even born when the Chechen war took off... I see only excuses for it rather than any attempt to follow the purpose of this thread, and wish to post some feeling of horror at yet another bunch of fanatics causing the death of innocents.

Shit you two aresholes take the fucking biscuit... and that goes for the rest of you dragging this thread into Iraq and politics.

And don't give us the crap about Iraq, we all know how wrong that show has been... but it is fuck all to do with this thread... If you want to start a thread about Russia's evil in the Chechen lands, why not do so instead of poluting this one with your views while people are burying their dead kids this very day.

PS: I don't know about America but the Chechen war was reported daily over here... and is reported every time it flares up.

What Pops said, and said in exactly the same way.

It's fucking appalling, why the need to try to score points and air political views?

There are no words to express my horror at what those kids suffered.

Also, I want to repeat what Lew said about God.

It's all just so fucked up. Fucked up and tragic beyond comprehension.

For every one of those killed on Friday and those survivors who will never get over what they went through:

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Yes.

Then you're nuts!!

Notice I kept it polite, to a degree!!

 

[cloudy]

So you and Rgraham it appears have no real sympathy for the murder of completely innocent school children most of whom weren't even born when the Chechen war took off... I see only excuses for it rather than any attempt to follow the purpose of this thread, and wish to post some feeling of horror at yet another bunch of fanatics causing the death of innocents.

Shit you two aresholes take the fucking biscuit... and that goes for the rest of you dragging this thread into Iraq and politics.

And don't give us the crap about Iraq, we all know how wrong that show has been... but it is fuck all to do with this thread... If you want to start a thread about Russia's evil in the Chechen lands, why not do so instead of poluting this one with your views while people are burying their dead kids this very day.

PS: I don't know about America but the Chechen war was reported daily over here... and is reported every time it flares up.

For you and Lou:

That's exactly what I was saying, but much clearer than I managed to say it. Thank you.

 

[Liar]

Shit you two aresholes take the fucking biscuit... and that goes for the rest of you dragging this thread into Iraq and politics.

I guess that includes me too, then. And that is something I'm not going to take lying down.

If extending my grief to other slayed children and acknowledging their value is "taking the fucking bisquit", then I'm guilty as charge. Ok, I can delete my post and write about the desctruction of Chechenya on a separate thread. Or will I get "you insensitive shit" thrown my way then too?

I guess only the tragedies you see on TV are worth tears eh? What is appalling here, I ask?

Really. I'm out of here.

#L

ps. Yes, harsh I know. But if someone throw poop at me that I know I don't deserve, I thow it back.

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Hmmm, struck a nerve there methinks!!!!

 

[pop_54]

I guess that includes me too, then. And that is something I'm not going to take lying down.

If extending my grief to other slayed children and acknowledging their value is "taking the fucking bisquit", then I'm guilty as charge. Ok, I can delete my post and write about the desctruction of Chechenya on a separate thread. Or will I get "you insensitive shit" thrown my way then too?

I guess only the tragedies you see on TV are worth tears eh? What is appalling here, I ask?

Really. I'm out of here.

#L

ps. Yes, harsh I know. But if someone throw poop at me that I know I don't deserve, I thow it back.

This thread is about sympathy for the dead kids of Belsan... not about your personal views or politcal ramblings and you've still shown no real sympathy have you.


Yes you are a fucking areshole ... period.

 

[rgraham666]

Edited to remove an inappropriate post

 

[minsue]

This thread is about sympathy for the dead kids of Belsan... not about your personal views or politcal ramblings and you've still shown no real sympathy have you.


Yes you are a fucking areshole ... period.

I really didn't want to get involved in this argument mainly because I am appalled that it is even taking place, but I don't seem to be able to keep my trap shut.

There is a difference between not limiting sympathy to a specific group of innocents and showing no sympathy.

I am unable to see how lamenting the loss of others and that the world only seems to care for some is lacking in sympathy for any.

 

[pop_54]

Just one fucking goddamn second here Pops!

You have no fucking idea how badly I feel about the children of Beslan. And that's pretty fucking bad.

I was merely trying to point out that this act did not take place in a vacuum. Everything has a history. And I was sincerely wondering why so little was said over the deaths over children in Chechnya.

And you are quite right. It was rude of me to intrude a philosophical question into this thread. Please note, it was philosophical not political. I said not a word about Iraq.

But next time, please send me a polite PM instead of dumping vitriol all over me.

You made your uncaring post in public... I replied to it in public... if you cared so much about the kids of Belsan why didn't you say so before... in public... you went off thread topic to make your political views known... that was not acceptable to me personally at such a sad time...so I told you so.

If you can't take the heat.. don't go in the kitchen mate.

 

[rgraham666]

Edited because it has no place in this thread.

 

[Guest]

I don't care who I piss off, fuck off, or whatever, as this thread is not about any of us.

I just want to go on record as stating, yet again, that I agree with everything Pops is saying and has said.

I know there are many, many innocent children dying each day in this fucked up world of ours. I know how low humankind can stoop, but this thread was about the specific and heinously tragic incident in Beslan.

Those kids went to school, just like many millions of kids do in our own countries each day. They suffered at the hands of inhuman adults and that suffering and pain is something we should never forget.

Please, let's all put our differences behind us and mourn for those babies and their parents and teachers.

Lou

 

[pop_54]

I really didn't want to get involved in this argument mainly because I am appalled that it is even taking place, but I don't seem to be able to keep my trap shut.

There is a difference between not limiting sympathy to a specific group of innocents and showing no sympathy.

I am unable to see how lamenting the loss of others and that the world only seems to care for some is lacking in sympathy for any.

My wrath if you wish to call it that.. is directed at these people because they appear to show no real sympathy for the children of Belsan, who are being buried today, not last month, or last year.... and that after all is what this thread was started for... Not for some to air their politcally biased views while showing little regard for this latest batch of terror victims... I sympathise with all victims of war and terror, but like to make that clear rather than start pinning too much blame on the victims because of something that was out of their control.

And I shall say no more on the matter if they will fucking shut up now... but I will not sit back and say nothing when challenged to do so.... cos I'm like that.

 

[pop_54]

Fine, you pointy headed loon. I apologized, you shoved it in my face.

Shove a loaded stick of dynamite up your tuchus.

Wow that was a very adult reply... Oh to be in such company.

 

[Liar]

This thread is about sympathy for the dead kids of Belsan... not about your personal views or politcal ramblings and you've still shown no real sympathy have you.

Are you telling me that I don't have any sympathy for the dead children of Beslan is that it? You don't know the first fucking thing about me and what I feel. Of course I feel for them, to suggest anything else is to stoop so low that if I didn't know this was an emotional issue, I wouldn't think it was possible to. I don't have any political view about this. I have a human one, and I expressed it. Thus, I'm a "fucking arsehole". Besutiful, really god damn beautiful!

So don't try that holier than thou crap on me. I replied to a fucking post in this thread. All right. That was a mistake. I apologize for heading off course, and stirring up emotions, as if that would make any difference. But don't you even dare to suggest that I don't feel sympathy for those kids.

#L

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

... Innocents died in the war in Iraq, but there was no premeditated attempt to kill them....

There was also little premeditated attempt to find a means to achieve the same ends in ways that would avoid those death.

What they did premeditate, was to keep any evidence of those children’s death from reaching our eyes, and hopefully our hearts.

How this fits into this thread?

In my opinion, this opportunity exists whenever one group of victims receives attention out of proportion to all other victims equally deserving our compassion. While mourning these victims, that we have seen, should we not also mourn the death of those that we did not see.

In that I agree with minisue.

The overlooked should not remain forgotten.

 

[pop_54]

I don't care who I piss off, fuck off, or whatever, as this thread is not about any of us.

I just want to go on record as stating, yet again, that I agree with everything Pops is saying and has said.

I know there are many, many innocent children dying each day in this fucked up world of ours. I know how low humankind can stoop, but this thread was about the specific and heinously tragic incident in Beslan.

Those kids went to school, just like many millions of kids do in our own countries each day. They suffered at the hands of inhuman adults and that suffering and pain is something we should never forget.

Please, let's all put our differences behind us and mourn for those babies and their parents and teachers.

Lou

I'm with you there Lou... let's mourn the young souls now we've had our play time... I shall retire so as not to cause any more grief.

 

[Liar]

Please, let's all put our differences behind us and mourn for those babies and their parents and teachers.

Yes. I've said all else I had to say, (and shouldn't have sid here, again, I apologize about that).

Let's continue this with a for them.

#L