"Christian" Homophobes Protest At Opening Of Milwaukee's Gay Art Center

[John Doe]

That's preposterous. Common people who have followed their entire lives can become leaders if thrown into that role by circumstances. For the most part leadership is a learned ability, not an inate trait. One just needs the motivation to exceed the common and take the reigns.

I said ideally, I wasn't talking about practically. Anyway, you just agreed with what I said, especially in your second sentence, so it must not be that preposterous.

miscellaneous malcontents? Your bigotry and antagonism for others who see the need and have the desire to do something for needed social change shows sooooo blatantly. You really are a pompous ass.

Fascism and Communism are forces for social change. That doesn't mean I should like them. Even with the best of intentions a movement can cease to work for the good of the people and dedicate itself to perpetuating its own existence, though most organizations do that almost immediately after they are established.

If you really think I'm being bigoted then you completely missed my point. Disliking people who are full of hatred isn't hate, just like being intolerant of intolerance isn't being intolerant.

And if you think my stance makes me a pompous ass, well thanks for wlecoming me to the club, because you 've been agreeing with me the whole time.

 

[69forever]

Originally posted by Stuponfucious
I said ideally, I wasn't talking about practically. Anyway, you just agreed with what I said, especially in your second sentence, so it must not be that preposterous.

Ideally is the problem here. Practical experience has taught me that some people step up to assert themselves in a given situation. They transform into a leader, because of the loss of another or such. Your ideal world is just that. I've heard these Ivory Tower philosophic bullshit debates rage while people are dieing. It's action that changes things.

Originally posted by Stuponfucious
Fascism and Communism are forces for social change. That doesn't mean I should like them. Even with the best of intentions a movement can cease to work for the good of the people and dedicate itself to perpetuating its own existence, though most organizations do that almost immediately after they are established.

I was a communist. Believed the ideal. But aboslute power absolutely corrupts the best of intentions. Makes no difference if it is a dictatorship of the proletariet or of the bourgeios. I've lived it and seen the contradictions to freedom.

Originally posted by Stuponfucious
If you really think I'm being bigoted then you completely missed my point. Disliking people who are full of hatred isn't hate, just like being intolerant of intolerance isn't being intolerant.

It's not just this post. Wishy-washy philosophical discussions with the embedded (sometimes) bigoted ideals lead me to believe it. I take stands. Child molesters should be castrated publically. Corrupt politicians should be tarred and feathered and run out of town. Even an old perv like me has morals.


"Most organizations" don't exist to perpetuate themselves, they serve a purpose. Social, political, etc. Do the leadership of them exploit their positions? Yeah, in a lot of cases. It is up to the membership of those organizations to get off their ass and send them packing.

IMHO the LGBT community has been too single issue orientated. We need to expand our scope to embrace other progressive social issues. We need that support ourselves in todays repressive enviroment.

 

[John Doe]

Ideally is the problem here. Practical experience has taught me that some people step up to assert themselves in a given situation. They transform into a leader, because of the loss of another or such.

That doesn't mean they're good at it.

Your ideal world is just that. I've heard these Ivory Tower philosophic bullshit debates rage while people are dieing. It's action that changes things.

I don't see it as bullshit, although if you can prove that someone on the GLBT is dying because of our inaction, I'll concede the point.

Yes, of course it's action that changes things.But ironically most people on the GLBT -- yourself included -- would rather maintain the status quo on a number of issues than do anything to change it for the better, so don't talk to me about being proactive.

I was a communist. Believed the ideal. But aboslute power absolutely corrupts the best of intentions. Makes no difference if it is a dictatorship of the proletariet or of the bourgeios. I've lived it and seen the contradictions to freedom.

You keep arguing with me even though we agree. Why?

It's not just this post. Wishy-washy philosophical discussions with the embedded (sometimes) bigoted ideals lead me to believe it. I take stands. Child molesters should be castrated publically. Corrupt politicians should be tarred and feathered and run out of town. Even an old perv like me has morals.

And murderers should be executed for killing someone else in cold blood? We've tried that before. It doesn't work.

"Most organizations" don't exist to perpetuate themselves, they serve a purpose. Social, political, etc. Do the leadership of them exploit their positions? Yeah, in a lot of cases. It is up to the membership of those organizations to get off their ass and send them packing.

Any organization -- even those that sincerely hope to do some good -- must survive in order to do so. Believing that most organizations devote themselves solely to a cause, THAT is idealistic bullshit.


IMHO the LGBT community has been too single issue orientated. We need to expand our scope to embrace other progressive social issues. We need that support ourselves in todays repressive enviroment.[/QUOTE]

What does GLBT have to do with it?

 

[workinginpa]

I really hate seeing this country regress socially. These Jesus freaks really need to get a grip.

We should divide the country into two sections (Red and Blue). Let them go live in the 1950's and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[rozezwild]

Holy freaking shit 69 I was cruising around and found this -- they did that over here in Grand Rapids when an art center carried a openly gay artist too-- damn assholes anyhow -- the man was good -- if only we could get people to be as understanding as most of us

 

[deezire1900]

I really hate seeing this country regress socially. These Jesus freaks really need to get a grip.

We should divide the country into two sections (Red and Blue). Let them go live in the 1950's and leave the rest of us alone.

As silly as it may sound...I like this idea. I know I am suppose to love all man kind, but the idea isn't working. Can we just split shit up? I and my other lesbain sisters would like the East coast...from Maine to Florida. THe Cali girls will come over I know it.

 

[workinginpa]

As silly as it may sound...I like this idea. I know I am suppose to love all man kind, but the idea isn't working. Can we just split shit up? I and my other lesbain sisters would like the East coast...from Maine to Florida. THe Cali girls will come over I know it.

I know it's radical, and would never happen but I would sign on. I'm just tired of the policy and direction of this country. It sickens me...

I think we should get the North East and Northwest... Let them have the south and the plain states.