Church and State

[Aglaopheme]

I’ve spoken before about the marriage of church and state being the downfall of our democracy. This docudrama, based on Jeff Sharlet‘s books, spells it out brilliantly. One will no longer wonder why Trump claims to be the chosen one.


https://www.netflix.com/title/80063867

Investigative journalists expose The Fellowship, a Christian fundamentalist organization quietly operating in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C.

 

[jaF0]

Pa. House's contested 'religious' prayer policy is constitutional after all, U.S. appeals court says
The Patriot-News|4 days ago
A practice by the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to open its sessions with religious prayers from guest chaplains or legislators does not violate the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

 

[Aglaopheme]

One will no longer wonder why disgraced Republicans remain in office, or why the very same disgraced, supposedly Christian, Republicans think they are now fit to make a run at the Whitehouse, as they are also chosen.

 

[heathergives]

One will no longer wonder why disgraced Republicans remain in office, or why the very same disgraced, supposedly Christian, Republicans think they are now fit to make a run at the Whitehouse, as they are also chosen.

Not to mention disgraces "christian" Democrats. History shows that it works both ways.


Kennedy - Kennedy- Kennedy....

 

[beezzz]

I’ve spoken before about the marriage of church and state being the downfall of our democracy. This docudrama, based on Jeff Sharlet‘s books, spells it out brilliantly. One will no longer wonder why Trump claims to be the chosen one.


https://www.netflix.com/title/80063867

Investigative journalists expose The Fellowship, a Christian fundamentalist organization quietly operating in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C.

STFU you dingbat with your stupid shit

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not to mention disgraces "christian" Democrats. History shows that it works both ways.


Kennedy - Kennedy- Kennedy....

Weaksauce Whataboutism.

 

[heathergives]

Weaksauce Whataboutism.

God forbid you should allow historical fact cloud your opinion.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Pa. House's contested 'religious' prayer policy is constitutional after all, U.S. appeals court says
The Patriot-News|4 days ago
A practice by the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to open its sessions with religious prayers from guest chaplains or legislators does not violate the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

I’m fine with that provided they allow all religions to participate. That is not the first time that decision has come down.

 

[bigsly]

I’ve spoken before about the marriage of church and state being the downfall of our democracy.

"our"? You mean you and all the other Democratic Socialists in your pocket?

 

[von_Bismarck]

How long until someone claims there is no separation of church and state?

 

[jaF0]

I’m fine with that provided they allow all religions to participate.

I'm not.

Besides, how many Druids, Wiccans or Satanists have been invited?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I’ve spoken before about the marriage of church and state being the downfall of our democracy. This docudrama, based on Jeff Sharlet‘s books, spells it out brilliantly. One will no longer wonder why Trump claims to be the chosen one.


https://www.netflix.com/title/80063867

Investigative journalists expose The Fellowship, a Christian fundamentalist organization quietly operating in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C.

Nothing saying religious people can't serve the public.

Doing so is not a violation of 1A.

What is the issue?

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

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Hallelujah

 

[Counselor706]

DNC hires faith outreach director to address party's 'God problem'

President Trump solidified the evangelical vote in 2016 but Democrats hope to make up for the sins of Hillary Clinton's campaign, which was criticized for its lack of outreach to faith groups in the last election. The Democratic National Committee recruited a far-left religious outreach director and is launching a round of listening sessions with faith leaders leading up to the 2020 election.

The DNC hired former Washington, D.C. anti-Trump pastor, Rev. Derrick Harkins, who held a similar position in 2012 and has been the senior vice president of Union Theological Seminary in New York City, which recently celebrated "rejoicing in the queerness of God."

“We take seriously the relationships that we have with faith communities around this country," Harkins told Religion News Service, adding that faith "will be a priority going into 2020, but even more importantly, beyond 2020.”

Source

 

[jaF0]

Fuck faith ( and I don't mean Ford). Absolute and total separation, including changing the US Motto.

 

[bigsly]

How long until someone claims there is no separation of church and state?

There certainly isn't constitutionally, i.e., it's not cited at all in the Constitution.

Yet, otoh, the Constitution does intentionally, specifically and purposely COMMAND the state that it "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;".

America's framers constituted religious freedom, just like freedom of speech and the right to keep and bear arms, e.g., as natural unalienable individual liberties, i.e., ABOVE the purview of any legitimate governments of the U.S. and States.

 

[jaF0]

You're all about framing aliens aren't you Littlesly?

 

[Counselor706]

Kamala Harris merges politics and religion in Los Angeles

Elizabeth Warren explains how her Christian faith shaped her liberal politics

Attention reporters: Joe Biden's history with Catholicism an important element to his politics

Bernie Sanders to traditional Christians: Your beliefs are indefensibly hateful and insulting, and not what this country is supposed to be about

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I’m fine with that provided they allow all religions to participate. That is not the first time that decision has come down.

I'm not.

Read each other ghost stories on your own time.

 

[someoneyouknow]

There certainly isn't constitutionally, i.e., it's not cited at all in the Constitution.

Tell that to James Madison:

When a bill officially incorporating an Episcopal church in Washington, D.C., reached President James Madison's desk one day in February of 1811, he knew just what to do: reach for a veto pen.

Madison was never one to tolerate any official ties between church and state. As he explained in a veto message to Congress, he rejected the church incorporation measure because it "exceeds the rightful authority to which governments are limited by the essential distinction between civil and religious functions."

It "violates in particular," said Madison, "the article of the Constitution of the United States which declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.'"

The bill noted that the church would be involved with care of the poor and the education of their children. No public funds were earmarked for these charitable endeavors, but Madison saw the legislative action as a foot-in-the-door for such federal aid to religion. He told Congress the measure was "altogether superfluous if the provision is to be the result of pious charity." He added that the bill could "be a precedent for giving to religious societies as such a legal agency in carrying into effect a public and civil duty."​

But then, what does he know? He only wrote the document and then went about enforcing its very words.

America's framers constituted religious freedom, just like freedom of speech and the right to keep and bear arms, e.g., as natural unalienable individual liberties, i.e., ABOVE the purview of any legitimate governments of the U.S. and States.

Correct. No mingling of Church and State. The religions were free to exercise their rights to their members and the State doesn't get involved. Conversely, the State exercises its duties to the people and religion isn't involved.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Tell that to James Madison:

When a bill officially incorporating an Episcopal church in Washington, D.C., reached President James Madison's desk one day in February of 1811, he knew just what to do: reach for a veto pen.

Madison was never one to tolerate any official ties between church and state. As he explained in a veto message to Congress, he rejected the church incorporation measure because it "exceeds the rightful authority to which governments are limited by the essential distinction between civil and religious functions."

It "violates in particular," said Madison, "the article of the Constitution of the United States which declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.'"

The bill noted that the church would be involved with care of the poor and the education of their children. No public funds were earmarked for these charitable endeavors, but Madison saw the legislative action as a foot-in-the-door for such federal aid to religion. He told Congress the measure was "altogether superfluous if the provision is to be the result of pious charity." He added that the bill could "be a precedent for giving to religious societies as such a legal agency in carrying into effect a public and civil duty."​

But then, what does he know? He only wrote the document and then went about enforcing its very words.



Correct. No mingling of Church and State. The religions were free to exercise their rights to their members and the State doesn't get involved. Conversely, the State exercises its duties to the people and religion isn't involved.

They will never understand that. Ever.

it is epistemologically out of their grasp.

 

[Aglaopheme]

How long until someone claims there is no separation of church and state?

Not very.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Counselor is as boring as fake news and whatever their other alts were.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

They will never understand that. Ever.

it is epistemologically out of their grasp.

It's impossible to separate the man from his idealism.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

Counselor is as boring as fake news and whatever their other alts were.

Have you always despised religion?