COVID impacts

[yukonnights]

Just saying In these unprecedented times, I think it's important for people to be motivated and moved to action based on rational reaction to facts. Religious, political and other such personally held beliefs should not be allowed to shade our own thoughtful decisions.

This info below describes people who are probably not the best source of information. It's a few paragraphs, but I think it's interesting and worth the time spent reading it.
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Source: Mayo Clinic

Narcissistic Personality Disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

Treatment for narcissistic personality disorder centers around talk therapy (psychotherapy).
Symptoms

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
Take advantage of others to get what they want
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Be envious of others and believe others envy them
Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

When to see a doctor

People with narcissistic personality disorder may not want to think that anything could be wrong, so they may be unlikely to seek treatment. If they do seek treatment, it's more likely to be for symptoms of depression, drug or alcohol use, or another mental health problem. But perceived insults to self-esteem may make it difficult to accept and follow through with treatment.

If you recognize aspects of your personality that are common to narcissistic personality disorder or you're feeling overwhelmed by sadness, consider reaching out to a trusted doctor or mental health provider. Getting the right treatment can help make your life more rewarding and enjoyable.
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Causes

It's not known what causes narcissistic personality disorder. As with personality development and with other mental health disorders, the cause of narcissistic personality disorder is likely complex. Narcissistic personality disorder may be linked to:

Environment ― mismatches in parent-child relationships with either excessive adoration or excessive criticism that is poorly attuned to the child's experience
Genetics ― inherited characteristics
Neurobiology — the connection between the brain and behavior and thinking

Risk factors

Narcissistic personality disorder affects more males than females, and it often begins in the teens or early adulthood. Keep in mind that, although some children may show traits of narcissism, this may simply be typical of their age and doesn't mean they'll go on to develop narcissistic personality disorder.

Although the cause of narcissistic personality disorder isn't known, some researchers think that in biologically vulnerable children, parenting styles that are overprotective or neglectful may have an impact. Genetics and neurobiology also may play a role in development of narcissistic personality disorder.
Complications

Complications of narcissistic personality disorder, and other conditions that can occur along with it, can include:

Relationship difficulties
Problems at work or school
Depression and anxiety
Physical health problems
Drug or alcohol misuse
Suicidal thoughts or behavior

Prevention

Because the cause of narcissistic personality disorder is unknown, there's no known way to prevent the condition. However, it may help to:

Get treatment as soon as possible for childhood mental health problems
Participate in family therapy to learn healthy ways to communicate or to cope with conflicts or emotional distress
Attend parenting classes and seek guidance from therapists or social workers if needed

By Mayo Clinic Staff
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Diagnosis & treatment
Nov. 18, 2017

 

[litfan10]

Day three of isolation for slave_ and myself. Honestly, I've slept a lot and read a lot. I have another Clive Cussler I haven't read yet and a stack of about sixteen ARCs that I need to get through. We are just going to take it easy and relax.
Be well and safe everyone out there.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Work has just tapped me to move to some COVID-related projects. I need to clear the decks, so I will probably be around here much less for a while - take care y'all and don't worry if you don't hear from me for a bit.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

Trump and Cuomo have the right idea. This is no time to be playing by the rule book for normal processes. If It seems to work, try it. It’s like ventilator splitting between multiple patients. No way in hell you’d do that in normal times but when you have no other choice......

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Ah well, it happens, but the media blaming Trump for this is over the top ridiculous. Pardon my apoplectic reaction. I’ll go drink my coffee with some extra sugar and get ready to face a new day..... lol.

Trump and Cuomo have two completely different ideas. Cuomo's idea is "let's run a study to see if this shit actually works, and in the mean time how about the President gets off his ass and manages the federal response like he's supposed to."

Trump's idea is he heard something third hand that he was half paying attention to and now wants everyone to take it because he can't stand the idea that he might not get reelected. His idea is that it's everyone else's fault but his "I take no responsibility" "No one could have seen this coming" "But I give myself a ten in response."

The media is rightfully pointing out that Trump spewing bullshit on a daily basis and flatly contradicting the people who's jobs are to manage this problem and save lives is confusing to average people. It's the spewing bullshit that the media, and a lot of other people not in the media, including that guy's wife, are blaming Trump for. With good fucking reason.

But no worries, Chloe, nothing with change Trump's mind, he still thinks he's doing everything perfectly, and you'll be free to vote for him again in November.

 

[oggbashan]

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But no worries, Chloe, nothing with change Trump's mind, he still thinks he's doing everything perfectly, and you'll be free to vote for him again in November.

If any of his supporters are still alive.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

If any of his supporters are still alive.

Allegedly, his 70yo-plus right wing fan base is willing to die to help the economy “recover.”

Belle, as per usze, you nailed it.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Allegedly, his 70yo-plus right wing fan base is willing to die to help the economy “recover.”

Yeah right. Wait till his lungs are filling with fluid and he feels like he’s drowning. He’ll be in hospital faster than you can say “MAGA”.

We were told to bug out as of 4pm today. Loaded a hard drive with all files I’m likely to need and left. I took my new office chair. If I’m going to spend two weeks working from home, I’m not spending it on a hard wooden dining room chair.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Yeah right. Wait till his lungs are filling with fluid and he feels like he’s drowning. He’ll be in hospital faster than you can say “MAGA”.

Exactly It’s insane to wish that on himself or anyone else and gloat about somehow being “heroic.”

Russ, welcome to our brigade of homebound stircrazies Very smart thing to bring your office chair with you. I worked from home before this crisis, but I wasn’t cooped up at home—my home office chair is pretty but not built for the duration. The SO ordered himself a new bells-and-whistles ergonomic posture improving office chair in early March and I poo-pooed it. Now, I wish I had one but the darn stores are sold out of it.

 

[SimonDoom]

Trump and Cuomo have two completely different ideas. Cuomo's idea is "let's run a study to see if this shit actually works, and in the mean time how about the President gets off his ass and manages the federal response like he's supposed to."

Trump's idea is he heard something third hand that he was half paying attention to and now wants everyone to take it because he can't stand the idea that he might not get reelected. His idea is that it's everyone else's fault but his "I take no responsibility" "No one could have seen this coming" "But I give myself a ten in response."

The media is rightfully pointing out that Trump spewing bullshit on a daily basis and flatly contradicting the people who's jobs are to manage this problem and save lives is confusing to average people. It's the spewing bullshit that the media, and a lot of other people not in the media, including that guy's wife, are blaming Trump for. With good fucking reason.

But no worries, Chloe, nothing with change Trump's mind, he still thinks he's doing everything perfectly, and you'll be free to vote for him again in November.

Well said.

As someone once said -- and I think this applies to political leadership as much as to anything else -- you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. But that's not our administration's view. As his own spokesperson Kellyanne Conway said, while peddling the bat-shit crazy, obviously false view that more people attended Trump's inauguration than Obama's, they believe in "alternate facts." Which is a euphemism for "bullshit."

 

[ChloeTzang]

Allegedly, his 70yo-plus right wing fan base is willing to die to help the economy “recover.”

Belle, as per usze, you nailed it.

It’s NYC that seems to be going down.

You know, this is turning political and if it is, the thread belongs on the politics board with all the other nonsense. We could debate this until the moon turned blue but we wouldn’t change our minds. I suggest the moderators either move this to the politics board or we stick with the virus and forgo all mentioning of our beloved leader , who is now up to 60% support according to the latest Gallup poll for his handling of this, and pass on the political aspects, or it’ll turn into a rehash of the stuff that goes on in those political threads. The AH ain’t the place for politics and I can pass, but you know, red flags and bulls.... lol. Unless you enjoy arguing with the resident, you know, moderate supporter of our beloved leader without us all getting carried away and sinking into wrath and vitriol.

So, on that notes, I shall pass the coffee, help yourself to cream and sugar, and move on to less inflammatory subjects. Like,

Hantavirus? Now there’s a hantavirus case in China? Ahhhhhhh.... what next? On the other hand it seems the supermarkets are all restocked most places.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

I’m not sure how it’s turning political. There’s been some sharing of articles on the virus and virus related facts, and facts about news related to the virus. Pandemic news, concerns and insights are invariably going to involve comments about political leaders and government action; the discussion has to date, and that hasn’t presented any issue. As far as I’ve seen, this is mainly a lot of discussion about toilet paper—a discussion to which I happily can now contribute because my monthly shipment of Peach Paper arrives today.

 

[oggbashan]

I worry about my American friends because very few seem to be taking the spread of Covid-19 seriously.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I’m not sure how it’s turning political. There’s been some sharing of articles on the virus and virus related facts, and facts about news related to the virus. Pandemic news, concerns and insights are invariably going to involve comments about political leaders and government action; the discussion has to date, and that hasn’t presented any issue. As far as I’ve seen, this is mainly a lot of discussion about toilet paper—a discussion to which I happily can now contribute because my monthly shipment of Peach Paper arrives today.

Peach Paper? Oooohhhh. But you know, we do use a lot. 1-2 rolls per week per person for even 2 people mounts up. Fortunately I have a years supply on hand, so to speak. Did anyone else actually stockpile anything?

 

[ChloeTzang]

I worry about my American friends because very few seem to be taking the spread of Covid-19 seriously.

No kidding. Did you see the spring break parties. And all those little incubators are now home or heading their, gaily passing it on to everyone they meet, touch, talk to or walk past. And anyone who can is running away from NYC passing it out it’s more than a bit irresponsible but it’s also human nature at work. State governments need to get a grip and face up to their responsibilities.

On the other hand, at a personal level, everyone I know outside work is self isolating, staying at home. Behaving responsibly.

 

[SimonDoom]

I worry about my American friends because very few seem to be taking the spread of Covid-19 seriously.

I wouldn't say that. We're a big country, and that means we have plenty of stupid people, and they're the ones that get the news coverage. But almost everyone I know has changed behavior dramatically, practicing social distancing, and staying at home most of the time.

 

[oggbashan]

I wouldn't say that. We're a big country, and that means we have plenty of stupid people, and they're the ones that get the news coverage. But almost everyone I know has changed behavior dramatically, practicing social distancing, and staying at home most of the time.

You may be a big country but you also have big cities. The virus has spread rapidly in European cities and too many people have been travelling out from them.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

But almost everyone I know has changed behavior dramatically, practicing social distancing, and staying at home most of the time.

I envy you that you live in a place with intelligent and civil responses to this. In my neighborhood (a private planned community in downtown NYC) we have neighbors who’ve threatened to start a lawsuit because they can’t use the tennis equipment or the pool and the marina is closing. Everyone in my hood thinks this is a staycation.

Peach Paper? Oooohhhh. But you know, we do use a lot. 1-2 rolls per week per person for even 2 people mounts up.

Peach paper is the shit; it costs seven or eight times regular cottonelle but it’s so worth it. But yes, it’s really frightening to think of how much our population consumes papier de toilette . I’ve been to many places where there’s no real toilets let alone paper, and as cliche as it sounds, it really does makes you think.

Fortunately I have a years supply on hand, so to speak. Did anyone else actually stockpile anything?

We didn’t buy anything, but I thank everybody who did. Chloe, based on your insights, I figured you have your finger on the pulse of a segment of the population, so you were my benchmark for how aggressively people would respond to this pandemic in the market. Using your descriptions about your stockpiling, I bought puts across pretty much the whole market and went long on General Mills, Walmart, Costco, Kimberly-Clarke, Proctor&Gamble and a handful of others.

The only thing we got a little low on was chickpea pasta (for some reason the SO decided this was the time to really “get into cooking” at home... I personally do not consider heating up store bought noodles and sauce to be cooking) and coconut flour cookie dough. Thankfully, it seems the grocer supply chain is catching back up.

 

[BigOlTiteez]

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[Domwoolf]

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I envy you that you live in a place with intelligent and civil responses to this.

Here in Las Vegas, we are taking it very seriously. All the casinos, clubs and restaurants are closed. The strip is vacant. Everyone that can is shut down. I have been homebound now for 12 days, except for two trips to the store. Shelves were empty the first trip but partially restocked on the second. I work as a data contractor and have had multiple jobs canceled until further notice. On the plus side, I am catching up on my reading and have finally gotten around to watching stuff I have had dvred for months. lol
Dom

 

[ChadAlpha]

No kidding. Did you see the spring break parties. And all those little incubators are now home or heading their, gaily passing it on to everyone they meet, touch, talk to or walk past. And anyone who can is running away from NYC passing it out it’s more than a bit irresponsible but it’s also human nature at work. State governments need to get a grip and face up to their responsibilities.

On the other hand, at a personal level, everyone I know outside work is self isolating, staying at home. Behaving responsibly.

Um, it seems like you’re the one making this a political thread, Chloe. A state’s rights issue, and state’s responsibility: really?! That’s not meant to be loaded politicking language? ....

Setting all politics aside to simply discuss the legal, nonpartisan impacts of COVID19 with anyone interested: despite being an unprecedented circumstance, this seems to be about as textbook a case for federal action as any that’s ever existed. At the very least because until there’s any federal intercession, an infected person can, at present, get in their car and drive from one state to another via federal roads, thus exposing people over state lines. That’s a federal issue and not a state issue. And West Virginia and Tennessee and Kentucky for example will be hit a lot harder by the immediate costs of handling the results of that than, say, New York and New Jersey. Add to that that the CDC is a federal agency supported by federal, and not state, taxes, it seems that this public health crisis should be led by “Mr. I’m-up-68%” and his team.

But according to Trump, this will all be over by Easter anyways

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

A state’s rights issue, and state’s responsibility: really?!

Yeesh! There are bad takes, there are awful takes, and then there are takes like this that even awful takes recoil slack jawed in horror from.

It is an issue that affects all levels of government, but the state is the primary governmental unit in the...wait for it...Unites States. Governors are key to deciding how when and what to do in their state. Of course, I'm talking from a state that has a Governor that is just crushing it in this arena. Yay ferocious competence!

 

[RejectReality]

Even though statewide stay-at-home just started, everyone must have already finished their freak-out around here. On the way home from work yesterday, I stopped for a couple of things to find meat in the case, cans on the shelf, bread, milk... There were even a half a dozen 4-packs of the most generic toilet paper you can imagine, and a big stack of perhaps 40 single rolls of Scott tissue.

The traffic has been noticeably lighter on my long commute for over a week now. Still only three confirmed cases in the county south of where I live, and two west of the county where I work. More than sufficient to encourage anyone who's talked about it to stay away from those counties, which are normally frequented because they have all the stores/entertainment we don't have in Bum Fuck Egypt.

Of course, all that stuff was closed long before the stay-at-home order. The order doesn't really affect all that much, as everything that was open is part of the allowed critical infrastructure anyway. I suppose a few things like Best Buy's pick up at the curb service are probably suspended now.

The parents were always bulk buyers, had hit the store right before the panic, and still have lots of stuff my mother canned from the garden, so they're staying put more or less. No need to go out. They've probably got six months worth of home-canned vegetables they could manage on in a pinch. They were going to forego a garden this year so Dad could do some remodeling, and went big on canning last year in response. I haven't looked, but I'm sure there's plenty of meat in the freezer as well, as there always was.

At work, we're starting to have some shortages on oddities — things we don't sell much of and therefore don't keep much of on hand. They went out in larger than expected numbers through the panic, so it will probably take a week for incoming trucks to replenish them. Mainline items got a little sparse in the warehouse, but didn't overwhelm the normal receiving schedule.

The government orders ( Military bases/VA ) are way up. One yesterday was 2k pieces, where it's usually about 250-400, and the other was about 300, where it's usually about 50.

If I had to guess from what I'm seeing, the stores will probably be almost back to normal stock by next week. I'd say stock clerks are going to be dusting toilet paper for many moons after that.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Here in Las Vegas, we are taking it very seriously. All the casinos, clubs and restaurants are closed. The strip is vacant. Everyone that can is shut down. I have been homebound now for 12 days, except for two trips to the store. Shelves were empty the first trip but partially restocked on the second. I work as a data contractor and have had multiple jobs canceled until further notice. On the plus side, I am catching up on my reading and have finally gotten around to watching stuff I have had dvred for months. lol
Dom

We ordered a DVD player in case things really hit the fan lol, but it won’t arrive until mid-April with the way stores and shipments are backed up. Glad to hear that you and yours are home, safe and healthy, Dom.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Even though statewide stay-at-home just started, everyone must have already finished their freak-out around here. On the way home from work yesterday, I stopped for a couple of things to find meat in the case, cans on the shelf, bread, milk... There were even a half a dozen 4-packs of the most generic toilet paper you can imagine, and a big stack of perhaps 40 single rolls of Scott tissue.

The traffic has been noticeably lighter on my long commute for over a week now. Still only three confirmed cases in the county south of where I live, and two west of the county where I work. More than sufficient to encourage anyone who's talked about it to stay away from those counties, which are normally frequented because they have all the stores/entertainment we don't have in Bum Fuck Egypt.

Of course, all that stuff was closed long before the stay-at-home order. The order doesn't really affect all that much, as everything that was open is part of the allowed critical infrastructure anyway. I suppose a few things like Best Buy's pick up at the curb service are probably suspended now.

The parents were always bulk buyers, had hit the store right before the panic, and still have lots of stuff my mother canned from the garden, so they're staying put more or less. No need to go out. They've probably got six months worth of home-canned vegetables they could manage on in a pinch. They were going to forego a garden this year so Dad could do some remodeling, and went big on canning last year in response. I haven't looked, but I'm sure there's plenty of meat in the freezer as well, as there always was.

At work, we're starting to have some shortages on oddities — things we don't sell much of and therefore don't keep much of on hand. They went out in larger than expected numbers through the panic, so it will probably take a week for incoming trucks to replenish them. Mainline items got a little sparse in the warehouse, but didn't overwhelm the normal receiving schedule.

The government orders ( Military bases/VA ) are way up. One yesterday was 2k pieces, where it's usually about 250-400, and the other was about 300, where it's usually about 50.

If I had to guess from what I'm seeing, the stores will probably be almost back to normal stock by next week. I'd say stock clerks are going to be dusting toilet paper for many moons after that.

Lol, I think you’re right! My grandmother says that after the sugar shortage in the seventies, stores were practically giving it away they were so overloaded. I wish I was closer to home right now for similar reasons; my parents have a stockpiled cellar and I have a couple of game-hunting uncles who’ve been waiting for a meat shortage.

Stay safe out there, RR!

 

[SimonDoom]

I noticed that supplies at the grocery store were better today than before. I think people are modifying their behavior and there aren't as many runs on things.