David Frum: Texas abortion law will cost the GOP electorally

[CornusKousa]

Nevertheless our chucklehead halfbreeds like AJ and BoBo Fatt yammer on incessantly about "aborting crowning babies" and "regulating health".

There is rob with the lies again.

I've never said anything of the sort.

I think abortion should be legal until the child is 20 years old, it's the only way to be sure.

Why must you lie about absolutely everything?

 

[CornusKousa]

States can choose to allow, or not allow abortion. That's up to the people in each state, so get busy, get off your ass, and start lobbying your state representatives. Bottom line, there is no federal right to abortion in the Constitution. Of course you can always amend the Constitution if you can find enough support for it in America. If you can't, well that's your democracy in action.

Democracy is a SERIOUS problem for Democrats when it's not democracy they agree with.

Notice not one of them has tried to explain why the "right" to abortion is so absolute and untouchable....yet all other rights are subject to as much regulation and restrictions as they, and only they, see fit???

 

[pecksniff]

Bottom line, there is no federal right to abortion in the Constitution.

There is if the SCOTUS says so, and it does.

 

[CornusKousa]

There is if the SCOTUS says so, and it does.

SCOTUS never said so, and no it doesn't.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

"abortion on demand" is a canard.:

The term refers to the belief that abortions should be provided to anyone who wants one, at any stage of pregnancy, and that one cannot afford the procedure, it should be funded by right at government expense. A small, but very shrill minority hold this belief.

 

[adrina]

The term refers to the belief that abortions should be provided to anyone who wants one, at any stage of pregnancy, and that one cannot afford the procedure, it should be funded by right at government expense. A small, but very shrill minority hold this belief.

Louder, shriller hysterical conservatives (usually males) conflate this to anyone who is the least bit pro-choice or pro-abortion. Then further use it to ignorantly justify limitations on abortions later in pregnancy.

Further, why shouldn't abortions be provided on demand? Considering the realities of them, why shouldn't they be?

 

[OldJourno]

Case scenario for the males here:

Your wife is gang raped. What do you do?

Case scenario for the statisticians: How likely is this to happen?

 

[Rightguide]

You've said all that nonsense before, but you never provide anything to back it up.

Where do you think all of these top secret phone transcripts are coming from? They are being offered to a compliant press to damage the elected President. Not just him, but there are such leaks all over the government that target elected officials that get out of line with the Deep State. This is not to say Biden doesn't deserve to be damaged politically, but whoever is doing it is committing a felony that could put them away for ten years on each count. The real problem is, the Deep State also decides who get's prosecuted and who doesn't. So they protect themselves in this manner with a system of two tiered justice standards, one for them, and they use to put their emeries in jail. Like the standard that has put hundreds of DC trespassers in solitary confinement with no bail for 9 months, and the one who allows, Hillary, Brennan, Comey, and other officials who lie under oath to Congress, Leakers like Vindman, all to remain uncharged and free as a bird.

 

[pecksniff]

SCOTUS never said so, and no it doesn't.

A federal constitutional right to make the abortion decision is exactly what Roe v. Wade establishes.

 

[RobDownSouth]

SCOTUS never said so, and no it doesn't.

Guess you were absent from class the day they taught Roe v. Wade at Stanford?

 

[pecksniff]

Where do you think all of these top secret phone transcripts are coming from?

One need not posit a Deep State to account for the existence of the surveillance society.

The real problem is, the Deep State also decides who get's prosecuted and who doesn't.

You have no reason to believe that. At the federal level it is the DOJ that makes that decision -- are they part of the Deep State?!

 

[Rightguide]

Democracy is a SERIOUS problem for Democrats when it's not democracy they agree with.

Notice not one of them has tried to explain why the "right" to abortion is so absolute and untouchable....yet all other rights are subject to as much regulation and restrictions as they, and only they, see fit???

Yep, they have no problem regulating absolute rights like the First and Second Amendments, but then turn around and claim mythical penumbras "discovered" in the letter of the law, as sacrosanct from question and regulation, like the alleged right to abortion, the alleged right to gay marriage, or the alleged anchor baby citizenship.

 

[ll74]

The other one is "abortion as birth control". Some how they think that women are out fucking any and everyone and oopsy daisy since we got knocked up we'll just go down to the local suck-o-matic and that'll be that!

It's not only entirely mis-representative of what actually happens in reality but it is completely disrespectful to women.

It's legal to have an abortion.

No woman has any obligation to justify why they might have one.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

why shouldn't abortions be provided on demand? Considering the realities of them, why shouldn't they be?

Apparently we have some abortion on demand fans here on Lit.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's legal to have an abortion.

No woman has any obligation to justify why they might have one.

Yup! up to six weeks in Texas, after that move on to the killing fields of California.

 

[adrina]

Apparently we have some abortion on demand fans here on Lit.

Again, given the realities of abortion, why shouldn't the procedure be "on demand"?

You've railed against it. Why can't you say exactly why?

 

[ll74]

Yup! up to six weeks in Texas, after that move on to the killing fields of California.

Irrelevant to my statement.

 

[pecksniff]

. . . or the alleged anchor baby citizenship.

It's kinda hard to read the 14th Amendment any other way, considering that jus sanguinis to the exclusion of jus solis has never at any time been the established principle in American citizenship law.

 

[Rightguide]

One need not posit a Deep State to account for the existence of the surveillance society.

Which is controlled by a cabal of career officials and academics who believe they are more important than the President and should make decisions the Constitution invests in the Executive. It was the entire motivating factor behind the conspiracy against Donald Trump. People like Vindman, and Dr. Fiona Hill, and the alleged "whistleblower" who conspired with Adam Schiff to impeach the President on false charges.

You have no reason to believe that. At the federal level it is the DOJ that makes that decision -- are they part of the Deep State?!

All of the upper and managerial levels of the DOJ are thoroughly infiltrated by Deep State left wing ideologues who loathe to prosecute Democrats, or act on the criminal referrals of Republican members of the House and Senate, who know as much or more about the law than they do. An agency who's employees give 98% of their campaign donations to Democrats is not apolitical or politically balanced. These figures are true for most of the big government agencies. I posted this campaign donation data a couple of years ago. The DOJ, FBI, CIA, the DOD, are dominated by leftists at the top.

 

[icanhelp1]

Irrelevant to my statement.

You wrote "it's legal to have an abortion" and I agreed with you, how is that irrelevant?

 

[ll74]

You wrote "it's legal to have an abortion" and I agreed with you, how is that irrelevant?

No, I wrote that a woman is under no obligation to justify having an abortion because it's legal. The timeframe / location is irrelevant to that statement.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Again, given the realities of abortion, why shouldn't the procedure be "on demand"?

You've railed against it. Why can't you say exactly why?

It’s an ethical argument. Some believe it’s perfectly fine to abort a healthy child in the final stages of pregnancy on the taxpayer’s dime. Others do not. Some think it should be a criminal offense to have or perform an abortion at any stage of pregnancy, under any circumstances. My own view lies in between. From a legal perspective, I’m 100% supportive of aborting Roe v Wade and putting the issue in the hands of each state where it belongs.

 

[adrina]

It's legal to have an abortion.

No woman has any obligation to justify why they might have one.

I would just like abortion to be treated like every other medical procedure. Go to your doc. Get a referral. Get the procedure. Insurance coverage applies. Done.

If they are in the poverty group then yes there should be programs for care - like there are for every other type of condition.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[adrina]

It’s an ethical argument. Some believe it’s perfectly fine to abort a healthy child in the final stages of pregnancy on the taxpayer’s dime. Others do not. Some think it should be a criminal offense to have or perform an abortion at any stage of pregnancy, under any circumstances. My own view lies in between. From a legal perspective, I’m 100% supportive of aborting Roe v Wade and putting the issue in the hands of each state where it belongs.

Oh bullshit.

You won't let it and don't want it to be treated like every other insurance covered procedure.

What's really behind it? Why block it at every turn? Why apply your morality to other people fucking? What's in it to you?

ETA - the bolded part is not only a disgusting mischaracterization but is something born out of your own hysteria. You know nothing of abortion performed in later pregnancy. Nothing. You are grotesque.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Oh bullshit.

You won't let it and don't want it to be treated like every other insurance covered procedure.

What's really behind it? Why block it at every turn? Why apply your morality to other people fucking? What's in it to you?

ETA - the bolded part is not only a disgusting mischaracterization but is something born out of your own hysteria. You know nothing of abortion performed in later pregnancy. Nothing. You are grotesque.

Correct. I oppose government-funded abortion on demand, you support it.