Democrats and Republicans -- One, Two-Headed, Oligarchic, Ruling-Class Apparatus:

[PaxNurgle]

Democrats are generally more altruistic and responsible at governing, both domestically and in terms of foreign policy. They do, however, tend to be careless with growing a bureaucracy and over-spending. They seek to strike a balance (not always successfully) between reasonable and proper regulation of buisnesses without causing undue financial and regulatory burden on buisnesses. They tend to be more libertarian in terms of individual freedoms- live and let live.

Republicans- TRADITIONAL Republicans, not the shit show running the country today, tend to be about less regulation, lower taxes (for the high income bracket anyway, for the low and middle income brackets, not so much) less about providing for social welfare and more about self sufficiency. They tend to be more hawkish and less isolationist when it comes to foreign policy. They claim to be libertarian in terms of individual freedoms, however over the last 20,30 years the opposite has been true. Today's Republicans tend to want more government intervention in personal choices and less individual freedom, eschewing the concept of live and let live.

 

[Lazaran]

A whole lotta people are working really hard to provide cover for the Republicans. The GOP owns the current shit show, and it’s not going to get better until more Democrats are elected.

I almost started a new thread today to address (chastise) "the American left", the Brits, and the Europeans on this site who mercilessly bashed President Biden, Vice President Harris, and the Democrats for their policies (foreign and domestic) .

Those ^ individuals went so far as to support DonOld & the MAGAt republicans or boycott President Biden ("Genocide Joe"), Vice President Harris, and the Democrats, and now they’re losing their shit over DonOld & the MAGAt republicans who are doing things that are orders of magnitude worse than anything Democrats would have ever thought of doing.

“They seem upset”… “Weird”…



WE. TOLD. THEM. SO.

 

[Lazaran]

Grind the Republican Party to dust, then we can talk about improving the Democrats.

Exactly.

There is a Supreme Court election in Wisconsin tomorrow and the non-MAGAt majority can’t be overturned regardless of the outcome, but I still want to crush the MAGAt candidate to expand the non-MAGAt majority.

That ^ mindset needs to go national.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I almost started a new thread today to address (chastise) "the American left", the Brits, and the Europeans on this site who mercilessly bashed President Biden, Vice President Harris, and the Democrats for their policies (foreign and domestic) .

Those ^ individuals went so far as to support DonOld & the MAGAt republicans or boycott President Biden ("Genocide Joe"), Vice President Harris, and the Democrats, and now they’re losing their shit over DonOld & the MAGAt republicans who are doing things that are orders of magnitude worse than anything Democrats would have ever thought of doing.

“They seem upset”… “Weird”…



WE. TOLD. THEM. SO.

I can forgive all the shit the far left did to help Trump as long as they expend that much effort to get rid of him. So far I’m not seeing it, but we need all the help we can get.

 

[Lazaran]

I can forgive all the shit the far left did to help Trump as long as they expend that much effort to get rid of him. So far I’m not seeing it, but we need all the help we can get.

Forgiveness will take time, a serious demonstration of remorse, and serious efforts towards atonement. (I will NEVER forget, because too many people have suffered irreparable harm.)

And, yeah: I am NOT seeing ANY remorse OR efforts towards atonement from that crowd - but I remain hopeful.

Ultimately, it’s up to them…





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[coati]

Grind the Republican Party to dust, then we can talk about improving the Democrats.

Actually, the thing that should separate the Democrats from the MAGA cult is spirited debate within the party.

And, no thanks to your schedule for conducting that spirited debate. Your promotion of bombing Gaza into the stone age is one of the issues that will be debated this year, whether you like it or not.

And, we will also be debating many issues related to the high tech oligarchs having too much power in the federal government.

 

[Wilson23]

Actually, the thing that should separate the Democrats from the MAGA cult is spirited debate within the party.

Specifically this one:
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/what-the-democratic-party-needs-to-do-to-win.1652143/

 

[coati]

I almost started a new thread today to address (chastise) "the American left", the Brits, and the Europeans on this site who mercilessly bashed President Biden, Vice President Harris, and the Democrats for their policies (foreign and domestic) .

Those ^ individuals went so far as to support DonOld & the MAGAt republicans or boycott President Biden ("Genocide Joe"), Vice President Harris, and the Democrats, and now they’re losing their shit over DonOld & the MAGAt republicans who are doing things that are orders of magnitude worse than anything Democrats would have ever thought of doing.

“They seem upset”… “Weird”…



WE. TOLD. THEM. SO.

Europeans don't vote in the USA elections.

Blame the election results on the people who suckered for the Pig. Twice. Think about why he was able to con those voters into thinking he was a working man's hero. The MAGAts were brainwashed by the Pig into thinking he was a savior, not by Europeans and the American "left" whatever that means.

The Democrats need less posturing for oligarchs and more actual working class heroes. The GOP has already cornered the market on pandering to the billionnaire oligarchs.

 

[Lazaran]

Actually, the thing that should separate the Democrats from the MAGA cult is spirited debate within the party.

Debate???

WTAF???



Rashida Tlaib, etc ACTIVELY UNDERMINED the Democratic Party in 2024, and "the left" ACTIVELY UNDERMINED the Democratic Party in 2016.

And, no thanks to your schedule for conducting that spirited debate.

So let’s forego taking back the House & the Senate (with significant margins) by engaging in internecine "WAR!!!" (because what "the left" does is NOT “debate”).

Your promotion of bombing Gaza into the stone age

Cite BSG or any other decent Democrat on the PB “promoting bombing Gaza into the stone age”…

is one of the issues that will be debated this year, whether you like it or not.

Yeah, you are NOT here to “debate”…

And, we will also be debating many issues related to the high tech oligarchs having too much power in the federal government.

That ^ really isn’t up for “debate”.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Wilson23]

Blame the election results on the people who suckered for the Pig. Twice. Think about why he was able to con those voters into thinking he was a working man's hero.

I suppose, because he's NOT a Social Register WASP with old money. Like both Bushes.

 

[coati]

Debate???

WTAF???



Rashida Tlaib, etc ACTIVELY UNDERMINED the Democratic Party in 2024, and "the left" ACTIVELY UNDERMINED the Democratic Party in 2016.







So let’s forego taking back the House & the Senate (with significant margins) by engaging in internecine "WAR!!!" (because what "the left" does is NOT “debate”).







Cite BSG or any other decent Democrat on the PB “promoting bombing Gaza into the stone age”…







Yeah, you are NOT here to “debate”…







That ^ really isn’t up for “debate”.



We. Told. Them. So.

Do you have any idea how much you sound like a know-it-all control freak MAGAt?

The debate about U.S. support of Netanyahu's wars will continue, whether you and BSG like it or not. As will the debate over billionnare oligarchs controlling government, data centers, health insurance, and essential services.

 

[coati]

I suppose, because he's NOT a Social Register WASP with old money. Like both Bushes.

No, that did not factor into the Pig conning so many voters into thinking he was the working man's hero.

The Pig pulled a page out of Hitler"s playback, which was scapegoating. Hitler blamed all economic problems on Jews, queer people, and dark skinned foreigners. The Pig had his own list of scapegoats.

 

[Lazaran]

Do you have any idea how much you sound like a know-it-all control freak MAGAt?

Pay attention: My posting style intentionally parodies DonOld and other obnoxious trolls (when the post I’m responding to warrants that treatment).

The debate about U.S. support of Netanyahu's wars will continue, whether you and BSG like it or not.

It is NOT “Netanyahu’s war”…

This war has MANY mothers… and motherfuckers…

The most offensive thing "the left" does is put this war ALL on Netanyahu & Israel: Iran (and its proxies), Russia, China, and, yes, REPUBLICANS deserve… “credit” (blame) as well (more, imho).

As will the debate over billionnare oligarchs controlling government, data centers, health insurance, and essential services.

Again: What debate??!



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[coati]

Specifically this one:
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/what-the-democratic-party-needs-to-do-to-win.1652143/

Yes, I agree that the Democrats could win big if they returned to being the people's party, similar to what they were under Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt.

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

Yes, I agree that the Democrats could win big if they returned to being the people's party, similar to what they were under Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt.

They'd rather lose than allow that to happen. They get just as wealthy off the corruption as the Republicans.

 

[Chernosoth]

Both parties and the fringes are very well supplied with overinflated egos, people who demand adherence to their own personal batshit, and then get pissed when politicians make the usual political compromises and improvisations. Some or all of the blame can be dumped on the internet. People spend their lives looking at screens instead of personally interacting with people. When most political discussions are town council meetings, one lunatic shouter could be enough for the rest of the town to decide they don't want to be seen as lunatics.

 

[coati]

They'd rather lose than allow that to happen. They get just as wealthy off the corruption as the Republicans.

On the whole, Democratic politicians are not near as brazen in their corruption as this new breed of MAGA Republicans. However, the oligarchs hedge their bets by contributing to both parties and buying access to the wheels of government on a daily basis

That is why it is urgent to elect more progressives to the Democratic Party and continue take actions on the streets and in the courts to curb the power of the oligarchs. Any activist who regularly engages in face-to-face community-based activism understands that is the only action that moves the needle.

Anonymous posting on this forum is almost exclusively hot air.

 

[Wilson23]

Anonymous posting on this forum is almost exclusively hot air.

The PB is like Democratic Underground or Free Republic -- it expresses and even DEVELOPS the collective mind of at least a sample, and in the PB's case something closer to a random representative sample, of the American people, or more specifically that interested subset of them called the "political nation." That's just a LITTLE more than hot air.

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

On the whole, Democratic politicians are not near as brazen in their corruption as this new breed of MAGA Republicans.

Well, they're not as open about it. But both Republicans and Democrats make their fortunes by giving companies huge government projects after investing in their companies through the stock market.

It's why I don't have any faith in the DNC. Why would they want to do anything that gets in the way of their quarterly profits?

This is why I tell people that Donald Trump is just the establishment on steroids. He made a fortune off of manipulation of prediction markets the past few months, yet that's just a step up from what Congress has been doing the entire time.

 

[coati]

The PB is like Democratic Underground or Free Republic -- it expresses and even DEVELOPS the collective mind of at least a sample, and in the PB's case something closer to a random representative sample, of the American people, or more specifically that interested subset of them called the "political nation." That's just a LITTLE more than hot air.

I get the strong impression that most of the posters on this political forum spend way more time in the virtual world than in the public forums where the big decisions are actually being made.

It's similar to those who mistake the endorphin-mimicking properties of reefer for actually accomplishing something. This is the Soma effect that Aldous Huxley predicted would happen through centralized and addictive information control methods.

 

[Wilson23]

Well, they're not as open about it. But both Republicans and Democrats make their fortunes by giving companies huge government projects after investing in their companies through the stock market.

It's why I don't have any faith in the DNC. Why would they want to do anything that gets in the way of their quarterly profits?

This is why I tell people that Donald Trump is just the establishment on steroids. He made a fortune off of manipulation of prediction markets the past few months, yet that's just a step up from what Congress has been doing the entire time.

Once again, the parties are not the same. The Dems might be just as CORRUPT as the Pubs, but their POLICIES are better for the workers.

 

[Wilson23]

I get the strong impression that most of the posters on this political forum spend way more time in the virtual world than in the public forums where the big decisions are actually being made.

Of course we do. It's EASIER. Anybody can speak at town council meeting, but nothing of more than local importance is decided there, and higher fora are less accessible to the general public. At least here we may hope to have some little influence on swing voters.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Actually, the thing that should separate the Democrats from the MAGA cult is spirited debate within the party.

And, no thanks to your schedule for conducting that spirited debate. Your promotion of bombing Gaza into the stone age is one of the issues that will be debated this year, whether you like it or not.

And, we will also be debating many issues related to the high tech oligarchs having too much power in the federal government.

The left’s obsession with Israel put Donald Trump in the White House. Move on.

 

[coati]

Of course we do. It's EASIER. Anybody can speak at town council meeting, but nothing of more than local importance is decided there, and higher fora are less accessible to the general public. At least here we may hope to have some little influence on swing voters.

Real activism is far more than speaking up at a town council meeting. At this point in history it involves mass resistance to oligarchy and constant action in the courts.

 

[BoredDirtyCommie]

Once again, the parties are not the same. The Dems might be just as CORRUPT as the Pubs, but their POLICIES are better for the workers.

They're better at pretending. It's about which policies get passed, not which ones they propose and then immediately throw the fight at the slightest sign of resistance over.