Democrats value the lives of foreign narco-terrorists more than they do the lives of ordinary American citizens.

[Rightguide]

Democrats have abandoned the values of traditional America, showing little respect for our constitutional system or the founding principles forged by our ancestors. Their push for socialism reflects how Marxist-trained educators have infiltrated both their party and our education system, while the nation was busy working its ass off trying to stay afloat in the swamp of the administrative state.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

pretend LARP revolutionary

So you edited when you saw my reference to ‘replying before reading.’ Cool!

Everyone in the US involves themselves in Capital whether or not they benefit from it or not. You live here, you deal with Capital.

The Marxists I know have no interest in thieving robbing. If they wanted to learn, they’d go and work for the top .0001% to see how it’s done.

Cheers!

 

[Chadrone]

So you edited when you saw my reference to ‘replying before reading.’ Cool!

Yea I wanted you to know where I stopped.

Everyone in the US involves themselves in Capital whether or not they benefit from it or not. You live here, you deal with Capital.

Define Capital.

The Marxists I know have no interest in thieving robbing.

Literally the entire premise of the ideology......siezing the means of production, aka robbing bitches.

Can't name a single Marxist revolution that didn't do exactly that.

If they wanted to learn, they’d go and work for the top .0001% to see how it’s done.

Cheers!

That would be the opposite of thieving and stealing. Why do leftist think providing goods and services is stealing but taking someone's labor/property under threat of voilence and giving them nothing in return isn't??? Ya'll lie to yourselves in the most groteque way.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Never said you were obligated to believe anything.

No. You didn’t. But if it were true, we would be obligated to believe it.

Moreover, you concurred with that assertion by defending it. Not to suggest that alone shows your support of it. I myself already as much as said that you don’t…

But then why reply at all? Is it for a lark? Is the strategy to fill public space with fictitious narratives to the extent that meaningful discourse on actual socioeconomic class relations becomes impossible?

You’ve got clearly defined positions. What do you think?

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Define Capital.

‘Worker blood.’ Marx’ definition.

Edit: Spelling.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Democrats have abandoned the values of traditional America

Au Contraire, [uppercase ‘D’] Democrats never held them in any consistent manner.

Nor does the bourgeoisie class represented by the fascistic party with which the petty-bourgeoisie [uppercase ‘D’] Democratic Party desperately seeks a strategic alliance to ensure for itself a ‘place at the table’ of whatever regime eventually emerges from the rubble of the now collapsed US Republic.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

siezing the means of production, aka robbing bitches.

Clearly, Marx correctly identified the crux of the matter.

See where productive means are now, and decide who’s done the seizing to this point.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

a single Marxist revolution

Well again, that’s the point, isn’t it. Marxist revolution IS the expropriation of the expropriators.

 

[Chadrone]

Clearly, Marx correctly identified the crux of the matter.

No. Marx put the easy scapegoat up and the idiots love it.

See where productive means are now,

Mostly the hands of the elites.

and decide who’s done the seizing to this point.

The state mandates it....the same beloved state you think is going to cut you in on a piece of that action but never has and never will?? They did it.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

taking someone's labor/property under threat of voilence and giving them nothing in return isn't?

You may want to rework that. I agree with the point completely. That is called Capitalism — as in the coerced extraction of surplus value [called ‘profit’].

 

[Holy_Seduction]

the easy scapegoat

Wait — I agree that ‘Marxist revolution IS the expropriation of the expropriators,’ and now the topic is scapegoating? What just happened?!

 

[Chadrone]

Wait — I agree that ‘Marxist revolution IS the expropriation of the expropriators,’ and now the topic is scapegoating? What just happened?!

We don't agree.

Because they aren't expropriators. You just lie to yourself about that to justify your robbing and thieving.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

The state mandates it....the same beloved state you think is going to

OK Chadster — this is starting to go the Juan Hernández way …

The state exists to manage the interests and affairs of the bourgeoisie. The proletariat [anyone who actually has to work for a living] has the historical destiny to see it replaced with worker institutions.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

they aren't expropriators

Yet you acknowledge that they own the productive means . . .

 

[Chadrone]

The state exists to manage the interests and affairs of the bourgeoisie.

No. That's the Marxist delusion.

The proletariat [anyone who actually has to work for a living]

This is another lie.....the "proletariat" is whoever the cool kids say it is. Every socialist reovlution has literally slaughtered farmers and factory workers wholesale as soon as they became a problem and or they ran out of rich/elites to satisfy the bloodthirst of the crowds calling for more heads.

has the historical destiny to see it replaced with worker institutions.

What the fuck does that even mean?? LOL

And destroy every semblance of a funcntioning economy by doing so....without exception.

 

[Chadrone]

Yet you acknowledge that they own the productive means . . .

That doesn't make them expropriators....that makes them property owners.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

that makes them property owners.

It puts the means of proletarian livelihood in the hands of an ownership social class which capitalism itself requires rapacious competition with other owners for which the workers must pay the price…

I’ll let the bourgeoisie’s ownership of the means of production to constitute the circulatory system of proletarians in which their very blood [capital on Marx’ definition] is the personal property of the ownership class.

 

[Chadrone]

It puts the means of proletarian livelihood in the hands of an ownership social class which capitalism itself requires rapacious competition with other owners for which the workers must pay the price…

Nope, the workers can compete or make their own living.

In capitalism the state doesn't force you to work for others..... you can work for yourself.

I’ll let the bourgeoisie’s ownership of the means of production to constitute the circulatory system of proletarians in which their very blood [capital on Marx’ definition] is the personal property of the ownership class.

"blood" is histrionic bullshit.....labor=/=blood.

That's what employment is, selling your labor. That's not exploitation or expropriation, that's a voluntary exchange.

 

[ll74]

But also, we own stock in Intel

Capitalism!

 

[Holy_Seduction]

literally slaughtered farmers and factory workers wholesale as soon as they became a problem

Capitalism has systematic dispossessed peasants and small farmers of their land throughout the course of its development. No country shows that more than England, and it did so forcibly from the 1400s onward!

Between 1880 and 1920, British imperialism oversaw the death of 167M Indians. Chide Gandhi as you may, that’s [roughly] half the current US population. If profit is always prioritized over human existence, you’re going to see resistance whether you call it socialism or not.

Capitalism isn’t compatible with human being. It cannot and will not sustain human life indefinitely.

 

[Chadrone]

Capitalism has systematic dispossessed peasants and small farmers of their land throughout the course of its development. No country shows that more than England, and it did so forcibly from the 1400s onward!

The state effectively or just straight up taking peoples farms isn't capitalism.

Between 1880 and 1920, British imperialism oversaw the death of 167M Indians. Chide Gandhi as you may, that’s [roughly] half the current US population. If profit is always prioritized over human existence, you’re going to see resistance whether you call it socialism or not.

People are going to die, no matter how much you resist it.

Capitalism isn’t compatible with human being.

Then why is the greatest human flourishing always take place under it while socialist suffer???

It cannot and will not sustain human life indefinitely.

It's not meant to.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

workers can compete or make their own living.

In capitalism the state doesn't force you to work for others..... you can work for yourself.

Capital coerces workers to compete against each other.

Working for oneself requires access to materials and productive means. These, as you say, are the personal property of the privileged ownership class.

In Capitalism, the state doesn’t have to force you to work. The diktats of Capitalism itself do that quite well, thank you very much!

 

[Holy_Seduction]

The state effectively or just straight up taking peoples farms isn't capitalism.

Of course not. That is the confluence of capitalism’s integral dynamics. The only job left for the state is to support the capitalism.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

People are going to die, no matter how much you resist it.

Methinks the issue here is the social murder [Engles’ terminology].

 

[Chadrone]

Capital coerces workers to compete against each other.

Life is a competition.

Working for oneself requires access to materials and productive means. These, as you say, are the personal property of the privileged ownership class.

It's not privilege...it's something the vast majority have to work for.

In Capitalism, the state doesn’t have to force you to work. The diktats of Capitalism itself do that quite well, thank you very much!

The diktats of reality force us all to work. Socialism is just a con job for the lazy and degenerate to live off the labor of others, like parasites.