Do you agree this should be shut down?

[HisArpy]

It's going to non citizens who qualify for the subsidy.

You didn't answer the questions

People who can't afford housing/rent end up being homeless

It's NOT targeted at solving the homeless problem. It's NOT MEANT to target the homeless problem.

It is a freebie giveaway of our tax dollars to non citizens who are here ILLEGALLY.

It doesn't solve homelessness. It doesn't fund police. It doesn't fund fire fighters, or hospitals, or roads/bridges/airports/public transportation, it's a GIVEAWAY to those who have done NOTHING to deserve it.

Meanwhile, those who have given more than most will ever imagine, live in squalor as ASSHOLES like you walk by to shake hands with, and welcome, those who come to destroy our society and nation merely because of the color of their skin and your own lack of self worth.

 

[ll74]

It's NOT targeted at solving the homeless problem. It's NOT MEANT to target the homeless problem.

Your basis for this statement is what?

It is a freebie giveaway of our tax dollars to non citizens who are here ILLEGALLY.

All recipients are here. They are either here with houses or they are here without. Pick a lane.

It doesn't solve homelessness. It doesn't fund police. It doesn't fund fire fighters, or hospitals, or roads/bridges/airports/public transportation, it's a GIVEAWAY to those who have done NOTHING to deserve it.

It's not supposed to solve anything ...it's supposed to help solve things.
There is no housing program that completely solves the housing problem

Meanwhile, those who have given more than most will ever imagine, live in squalor as ASSHOLES like you walk by to shake hands with, and welcome, those who come to destroy our society and nation merely because of the color of their skin and your own lack of self worth.

Your gripe is about people, not about programs.

If you want to address the problems with immigration, then work to pass legislation to address those problems. This program is not meant to do that. Just as their veteran housing program is not meant to address veteran healthcare.

 

[FriendsLair]

So you object to housing subsidies? Or you support more homeless on the streets?

More Americans are going to be homeless. This doesn’t support American citizens. That’s the problem. We will make sure the immigrants have funding and homes, but our own people get nothing. They actually get told they don’t qualify for benefits. Wouldn’t you like to be given $30,000 toward a home? Or, better yet, your Hispanic neighbors who were born here, grew up in the same schools and neighborhoods, don’t you think they deserve $30,000 toward a home? I object to the Non-American part, not the housing subsidies. And that’s something everyone should object to. We need to start taking care of our own people first!

 

[HisArpy]

Your basis for this statement is what?

The legislation itself. You should read it before you open your mouth again.

All recipients are here. They are either here with houses or they are here without. Pick a lane.

They're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to FREE HOUSES while Americans are living on the street and children are starving from a lack of food.

It's not supposed to solve anything ...it's supposed to help solve things.
There is no housing program that completely solves the housing problem

The thing is, it solves NOTHING and adds to the deficit and creates division and anger among the people.

It is worse than doing nothing because it's an intentional act to harm the people. THE POINT is to create unrest because that allows the D's to believe that they can propose crackdowns and violate the rights of the people with impunity.

This is how socialism begins. And you support it.

Your gripe is about people, not about programs.

My gripe is that the program is designed and intended to harm the people.

If you want to address the problems with immigration, then work to pass legislation to address those problems. This program is not meant to do that. Just as their veteran housing program is not meant to address veteran healthcare.

Issues with immigration, just like with social security and medicare, can be solved. The real problem is that NEITHER PARTY wants to do that. So, you trying to sound reasonable when the reality is that you're just contributing to the cluster fuck, isn't working. It makes you sound just as dull and droll as a little phuckwit.

And for your information, it's not only Vets who are homeless. This program doesn't address ANY of the issues which leave people homeless, whether they're a vet or not.

 

[ll74]

The legislation itself. You should read it before you open your mouth again.

Providing a subsidy reduces cost barriers to home ownership.
There is no legislation that provides $30k to non citizens for housin.
That reduces homelessness by allowing someone to own a home that doesn't have one currently.

They're here ILLEGALLY. They're not entitled to FREE HOUSES while Americans are living on the street and children are starving from a lack of food.

That's not what the program is meant to address. They are here regardless of this program

If Oregon wants to subsidize their ability to own a home, that is what they will do.

Are you against states' rights?

The thing is, it solves NOTHING and adds to the deficit and creates division and anger among the people.

Obviously creates your anger and division.

For those who want a home, it helps them have one.

It is worse than doing nothing because it's an intentional act to harm the people. THE POINT is to create unrest because that allows the D's to believe that they can propose crackdowns and violate the rights of the people with impunity.

Oregon didn't allow them into the country. It's not their role.

Again, your unrest is not related to the reasons for the programs.

This is how socialism begins. And you support it.

I support homes for people over homelessness.
I support immigration reform.
I don't support ignoring problems that exist because of citizenship status.

My gripe is that the program is designed and intended to harm the people.

It is not

Issues with immigration, just like with social security and medicare, can be solved. The real problem is that NEITHER PARTY wants to do that. So, you trying to sound reasonable when the reality is that you're just contributing to the cluster fuck, isn't working. It makes you sound just as dull and droll as a little phuckwit.

Your answer to the problem is to ignore it. The problem is that people can't afford homes
This program assists them in doing so. There are additional subsidy programs for other groups of people who can't afford a home.

And for your information, it's not only Vets who are homeless. This program doesn't address ANY of the issues which leave people homeless, whether they're a vet or not.

It's not meant to address root problems of homelessness outside of affordability. There are other programs, such a job assistance and education assistance that address other issues which lead to homelessness.and affordability of housing.

Overall, your position is myopic and stupid. These people are here, in our country and have protections against deportation. If they don't have a home, then they end up homeless. Taxpayers will end up footing the bill regardless of how many fingers you stick in your ears.

 

[ll74]

Hmm...

Legislature poised to vote on $376 million package for housing, homelessness​

The proposal includes money for infrastructure and shelters, as well as a one-time exemption to state land use laws

 

[HisArpy]

Providing a subsidy reduces cost barriers to home ownership.
There is no legislation that provides $30k to non citizens for housin.
That reduces homelessness by allowing someone to own a home that doesn't have one currently.

This is nothing but crap. In order to buy the home you have to have the income to support paying the mortgage. A down payment subsidy solves nothing in that regard. You thinking in your small minded way that it does is why the program is so popular amongst your comrades.

That's not what the program is meant to address. They are here regardless of this program

Then solve THAT problem, don't create another one on top of it. This isn't rocket surgery...

If Oregon wants to subsidize their ability to own a home, that is what they will do.

Excessive taxation for the purposes of giving handouts to non citizens could be called "aid and comfort to our enemies" depending on what country those non citizens are from.

Are you against states' rights?

Stop with the bullshit, I stand for the law and taking property from US taxpayers (tax dollars) to give subsidies to a specific class of individuals violates the Constitution and that makes this program illegal.

Are you against the law?

Obviously creates your anger and division.

I'm not alone. Half the nation is upset over this. You refusing to see it doesn't make it right. Nor does it make this program "the greatest good for the greatest number of people." Instead it only serves to divide and create unrest among the people.

For those who want a home, it helps them have one.

No it doesn't. Your belief that it does doesn't change that.

Oregon didn't allow them into the country. It's not their role.

Oregon doesn't have to pander to them. Oregon could work with ICE to remove them.

Again, your unrest is not related to the reasons for the programs.

Yes it is. You just refuse to accept that the program is designed to create that unrest.

I support homes for people over homelessness.
I support immigration reform.
I don't support ignoring problems that exist because of citizenship status.

Then you need to get a clue.

It is not

Your answer to the problem is to ignore it. The problem is that people can't afford homes
This program assists them in doing so. There are additional subsidy programs for other groups of people who can't afford a home.

Economics has proven you to be wrong. EVERY TIME the government sticks it fingers into the housing market, the price of housing goes up.

Don't believe me? Look it up.

It's not meant to address root problems of homelessness outside of affordability. There are other programs, such a job assistance and education assistance that address other issues which lead to homelessness.and affordability of housing.

Not the issue. This program TAKES AWAY resources which could be used for those things.

Overall, your position is myopic and stupid. These people are here, in our country and have protections against deportation. If they don't have a home, then they end up homeless. Taxpayers will end up footing the bill regardless of how many fingers you stick in your ears.

Resignation to an invasion only means you're good with being conquered by the invaders. Those who oppose the invasion may not be successful (see eg; history of native americans versus colonists and westward expansion) but that isn't always written in stone. Especially if what IS written in stone are the laws which prohibit aiding in that invasion.

And, since I stand for the law, my view cannot be myopic or stupid. Rather, it is the will of the founders and the majority.

Yours, OTOH, isn't. Given that, between the views held by the 2 of us on this issue, you might want to reconsider whose views really are myopic and stupid.

 

[ll74]

I think one aspect of this thread that I'm understanding is that it seems to present the position that non citizens are being given preferential treatment over citizens, which is not true.

 

[RobDownSouth]

HisArpy seems quite triggered this morning.
Yes he does!
Yes he does!
*tousles the little fella's hair*

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think one aspect of this thread that I'm understanding is that it seems to present the position that non citizens are being given preferential treatment over citizens, which is not true.

There you go again, injecting reality into a perfectly cromulent HisArpy hissy fit.

 

[HisArpy]

I think one aspect of this thread that I'm understanding is that it seems to present the position that non citizens are being given preferential treatment over citizens, which is not true.

Lie.

 

[ll74]

This is nothing but crap. In order to buy the home you have to have the income to support paying the mortgage. A down payment subsidy solves nothing in that regard. You thinking in your small minded way that it does is why the program is so popular amongst your comrades.

Addressing a barrier to home ownership is what it does. Larger down payments reduce payments going forward, which can be a difference maker for home ownership.

You oversimplifying this isn't my issue

Then solve THAT problem, don't create another one on top of it. This isn't rocket surgery...

This doesn't create a problem. It works to solve a problem Oregon has identified.

Excessive taxation for the purposes of giving handouts to non citizens could be called "aid and comfort to our enemies" depending on what country those non citizens are from.

You don't seem to grasp that taxpayers pay for this in one way or another. Homelessness has a cost. Evictions have a cost.

Again, oversimplification of a larger issue. These people are already here. That doesn't change.

Stop with the bullshit, I stand for the law and taking property from US taxpayers (tax dollars) to give subsidies to a specific class of individuals violates the Constitution and that makes this program illegal.

There are programs for citizens and non citizens.

Are you against the law?

The recipients of the subsidies are here and have protections under federal law.

I'm not alone. Half the nation is upset over this. You refusing to see it doesn't make it right. Nor does it make this program "the greatest good for the greatest number of people." Instead it only serves to divide and create unrest among the people.

I don't refuse to see anything. You are myopic. I understand that these groups of people are here with protections. Either they have homes or they have rent or they are homeless. There are issues with people gaining all three statuses. Oregon is choosing to address housing overall, which includes these groups rather than ignoring them.

No it doesn't. Your belief that it does doesn't change that.

It does

Oregon doesn't have to pander to them. Oregon could work with ICE to remove them.

They aren't pandering to them. They are choosing to invest in home ownership for all groups of people including the people you don't feel should be.
ICE cannot remove these people because the law gives these people protections from removal.

Yes it is. You just refuse to accept that the program is designed to create that unrest.

Lol

Then you need to get a clue.

Lol

Economics has proven you to be wrong. EVERY TIME the government sticks it fingers into the housing market, the price of housing goes up.

This isn't addressing the price of housing. It's addressing Oregon citizens being able to have a home, which has additional benefits that Oregon recognizes.

Don't believe me? Look it up.

Lol

Not the issue. This program TAKES AWAY resources which could be used for those things.

No, it doesn't.

Resignation to an invasion only means you're good with being conquered by the invaders. Those who oppose the invasion may not be successful (see eg; history of native americans versus colonists and westward expansion) but that isn't always written in stone. Especially if what IS written in stone are the laws which prohibit aiding in that invasion.

Histrionics

And, since I stand for the law, my view cannot be myopic or stupid. Rather, it is the will of the founders and the majority.

Yours, OTOH, isn't. Given that, between the views held by the 2 of us on this issue, you might want to reconsider whose views really are myopic and stupid.

Serious histrionics. If you want immigration issues to be fixed, being angry at states who address the outcome.of those issues isn't productive.

These people are here and have federal protections to remain. If you want those protections removed, this program isn't your target.

 

[RobDownSouth]

IL74 prefers to light a candle, while HisArpy is content to curse the darkness.
They are not the same.

 

[ll74]

Lie.

Please show me where the government is only finding this program and not others for citizens. I'll wait.

 

[Rightguide]

The alternative is having people on the street.....which you also hate.

Kick their asses back across the border, clean up the streets and send their world back to Mexico where it belongs.

 

[ll74]

Kick their asses back across the border, clean up the streets and send their world back to Mexico where it belongs.

The three categories of qualifiers have protections from deportation.

Try again.

 

[Bray123]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1826664375274668276

Happy new alt, sad to see you're still getting your propaganda from fascists.

 

[ll74]

Just to be clear - I'm not arguing whether these people deserve to be here or whether Oregon should or should not subsidize programs that assist them. The federal government provides protections to these people from deportation.

They ARE here.

Oregon must deal with that no matter your opinion on their status or protections or ....etc..etc

Oregon has chosen to focus on providing subsidies for housing for its residents and that has included non citizens. If you disagree with that policy, as a resident of Oregon, I suggest you contact your representatives to voice that opinion as a constituent. I don't reside there and don't object anyway, as housing is a huge issue that needs to be addressed from multiple different sides.

I'm sure that Oregon is also providing tax subsidies to housing construction companies and suppliers, which is probably the best way to mitigate the complex issue.