do you believe in ghosts?

[Tryharder62]

you know what? fuck catholics. that wasn't the question.

Well, the only people who were talking had Catholic influence. You never did respond to my questions about elementals.

 

[magicalmoments]

It depends what you mean by "ghosts."

If the term means spirit beings, then my answer is yes. If the term means spirits of people who have died, my answer is no.

There are spirit beings who can connect with and appear in our physical world, but in my faith these are known as angels and demons.

Spirits of people who die, these spirits can only go one of two places. Nobody gets stuck on earth.

Just interesting that it is so easy for people to believe our spirits could stay here to haunt others, but it is hard for them to conceive that they just may go somewhere else.

This reflects my own views.
Are there "spirit beings" that have no current scientific explanation, Yes, I believe there is a phenomena of this nature that we call ghosts.

Are there spirits of dead human beings haunting places on earth. No. I don't believe this.

I don't believe we, human beings, have spirits or souls. Death is the end. As the Bible says.

 

[Angelhorse]

I checked out the website but a lot of the videos were long and I didn't have time to go indepth. So are you saying you are a sedevancantist? I hadn't heard of that before. Do you still worship with the Catholics that believe in the Popes after Vatican II? If not how do you organize? There were quite the number of reviews of the website you gave above on some Catholic sites. I guess you aren't popular among Catholics. I find things like this interesting. Thanks again for sharing.

Yes, I am a sedavacantist. We haven't had a pope since Pius XII. No, we don't go to New Order 'Catholic' churches as they aren't actually Catholic, nor do they have valid priests or offer valid sacraments except Baptism. Most of the words of consecration for sacraments were altered by Vatican II, making ordinations invalid starting all the way back in 1968. For more information on that, I'd recommend their video Vatican II: Council of Apostacy. It's long, but it has lots of interesting information. Things start making sense.
So what do we do instead? Well, we generally like to keep up with the Catholic liturgy (not the updated New Order liturgy). There isn't normally a church nearby, so we just do it at home. We often practice other devotions such as the daily rosary (15 decades. We don't pray JP II's luminous mysteries), spiritual reading and/or any other devotions as we are led. There is no specific formula, but with all the craziness in the world, that sort of thing is definitely important. Do we form prayer groups? Lol. I wish. Catholics today are scattered far and wide so we generally keep to ourselvers though we often reach out to other Catholics. I'm lucky enough to be in a Catholic family. There are many Catholics out there where they converted, but none of their family converted with them. It's tough for them, but they try to manage because they know how important eternity is.

 

[Angelhorse]

This reflects my own views.
Are there "spirit beings" that have no current scientific explanation, Yes, I believe there is a phenomena of this nature that we call ghosts.

Are there spirits of dead human beings haunting places on earth. No. I don't believe this.

I don't believe we, human beings, have spirits or souls. Death is the end. As the Bible says.

The bible certainly does not say that death is the end. “It is appointed unto men once to die, and after this, the judgment.“ Hebrews 9:27. “Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels... And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.“ Matthew 25:41,46
Also: “Even as the cockle therefore is gathered up and burnt with fire: so shall it be at the end of the world. The Son of man shall send his angels: and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals and them that work iniquity. And shall cast them into the furnace of fire. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the just shine as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears to hear, let them hear.“ Matthew 13:40-43. And there are many many more examples.

 

[Tryharder62]

This reflects my own views.
Are there "spirit beings" that have no current scientific explanation, Yes, I believe there is a phenomena of this nature that we call ghosts.

Are there spirits of dead human beings haunting places on earth. No. I don't believe this.

I don't believe we, human beings, have spirits or souls. Death is the end. As the Bible says.

I'm not clearly understanding what you are saying, and I was wondering where in the bible that it says Death is the end?

Yes, I am a sedavacantist. We haven't had a pope since Pius XII. No, we don't go to New Order 'Catholic' churches as they aren't actually Catholic, nor do they have valid priests or offer valid sacraments except Baptism. Most of the words of consecration for sacraments were altered by Vatican II, making ordinations invalid starting all the way back in 1968. For more information on that, I'd recommend their video Vatican II: Council of Apostacy. It's long, but it has lots of interesting information. Things start making sense.
So what do we do instead? Well, we generally like to keep up with the Catholic liturgy (not the updated New Order liturgy). There isn't normally a church nearby, so we just do it at home. We often practice other devotions such as the daily rosary (15 decades. We don't pray JP II's luminous mysteries), spiritual reading and/or any other devotions as we are led. There is no specific formula, but with all the craziness in the world, that sort of thing is definitely important. Do we form prayer groups? Lol. I wish. Catholics today are scattered far and wide so we generally keep to ourselvers though we often reach out to other Catholics. I'm lucky enough to be in a Catholic family. There are many Catholics out there where they converted, but none of their family converted with them. It's tough for them, but they try to manage because they know how important eternity is.

Well I really did learn something new.

 

[SpeareChucker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOl4oeHZnBk

 

[nkycatsfan]

I do. I've had a couple of experiences that made me 100% certain. Also had a client who legitimately had a home that was dealing with a demon. Scary stuff...and I saw video from a third party. Still creeps me out to this day.

 

[FataMorgana]

I do. I've had a couple of experiences that made me 100% certain. Also had a client who legitimately had a home that was dealing with a demon. Scary stuff...and I saw video from a third party. Still creeps me out to this day.

Yikes. What was on it?

 

[Tryharder62]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOl4oeHZnBk

I'm married but I am flattered.

You must believe in miracles though!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw0-ICgJ8k4

 

[rae121452]

Well, the only people who were talking had Catholic influence. You never did respond to my questions about elementals.

elementals are not human, they are purer and older. they also have free will. ghosts, on the other hand, are remnants of human passion. strong emotion that reverberates like a bell tolling. in all of recorded history there is no account of a ghost harming a person, they're sort of like an old vinyl record with a scratch that causes the needle to gets stuck in the groove (are you old enough to understand that analogy?). elementals (see poltergeists) can cause havoc and are annoying, but never to the point of violence. one of the things i never cease to be amazed at is physicists who accept the theory of relativity (there's a recent book, i can't remember the name, which i read about 5 pages of before deciding i was too dumb to understand it. it posits that there are hundreds of variations of your life going on simultaneously in the universe.) and yet they scoff at the idea that ghosts are a sort of sense memory. i'm too drunk to continue this discussion.

 

[butters]

we have to take into account the extremely limited nature of our senses: animals that can smell better than humans, insects that can see the ultra violet spectrum, birds and bats who can navigate with sound and the earth's electromagnetic fields... Just because we can't see/hear/smell/taste/touch these things doesn't mean they don't exist... science has shown they do.

imagine a mist-filled field with a narrow hedge running down the centre...with our sense-range as the hedge; over time, i'm sure science will unveil a whole lot more stuff only some with heightened senses have, historically, been able to detect naturally. and that doesn't even begin to address the kind of 'visions/experiences' the human brain can conjure when it's going through a crisis... when it decouples certain areas of the brain used to working in tandem. (see 'out of body experiences' and the newest scientific ability to recreate this in humans by triggering a specific 3-firings per second in certain cells)

because these things were reported but not understood, and lacking scientific knowledge, religions and cultures tried to make sense of them by using their fears, imaginations, hypotheses and theological-leanings to explain them in a way generally accepted by their populations.

i think it's kind of exciting to learn more about what is beyond our own range of senses but is, in fact, quite natural to this living world of ours.

 

[Sweet_Lara]

Ghosts, no. Demons, yes.

 

[Lazaran]

Man captures Gettysburg ‘ghosts’ in spine-tingling video during tour of Civil War site
Tue, 15 Sep 2020 21:03:25 GMT
A man says he captured video footage of “ghosts” during a late-night tour of the infamous Civil War battleground in Gettysburg, Pa....

On the topic of Civil war phantom sightings; I watched a documentary that offered a scientific explanation for the apparitions of Civil war soldiers marching in columns down a road, as well as sightings of apparitions in "haunted mansions".

As the narrator explained; under certain condition the environment can act as a magnetic recording medium, like magnetic tape, capturing crude images that can be played back under certain atmospheric or environmental conditions, like electrical storms or piezoelectric effects from compressed Quartz.

Much like a compromised video tape shows distorted images that have a "ghostly" effect, so too these compromised environmental recordings would likely produce distorted or "ghostly" images.

Old mansions with enough mass and raw construction materials could also replicate this crude method of visual and perhaps audio recording for playback under the right atmospheric or environmental conditions.

It's the most logical explanation to date that I have discovered, and being a big fan of Occam razor, it is my current default position on the subject.

 

[jaF0]

On the topic of Civil war phantom sightings; I watched a documentary that offered a scientific explanation for the apparitions of Civil war soldiers marching in columns down a road, as well as sightings of apparitions in "haunted mansions".

You sure it wasn't a Twilight Zone episode called "The Passersby"?

 

[Lazaran]

You sure it wasn't a Twilight Zone episode called "The Passersby"?

Yeah, I'm sure.

There are numerous accounts of civil war ghost soldier sightings which both the documentary and the twilight zone episode were likely based on.

The documentary was actually one of those debunking specials.

 

[Tryharder62]

because these things were reported but not understood, and lacking scientific knowledge, religions and cultures tried to make sense of them by using their fears, imaginations, hypotheses and theological-leanings to explain them in a way generally accepted by their populations.

So you are saying that basically we believe the same thing. You are admitting that there are things that we can't touch/see/feel/taste/hear that are real - You don't know how many times I have heard that position used as evidence against the belief in a God. I know what it is, but I'm an idiot and couldn't possibly be right.

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elementals are not human, they are purer and older. they also have free will. ghosts, on the other hand, are remnants of human passion. strong emotion that reverberates like a bell tolling. in all of recorded history there is no account of a ghost harming a person, they're sort of like an old vinyl record with a scratch that causes the needle to gets stuck in the groove (are you old enough to understand that analogy?). elementals (see poltergeists) can cause havoc and are annoying, but never to the point of violence. one of the things i never cease to be amazed at is physicists who accept the theory of relativity (there's a recent book, i can't remember the name, which i read about 5 pages of before deciding i was too dumb to understand it. it posits that there are hundreds of variations of your life going on simultaneously in the universe.) and yet they scoff at the idea that ghosts are a sort of sense memory. i'm too drunk to continue this discussion.

Oh ya, I remember vinyl records. What you said: elementals are not human, they are purer and older. they also have free will. Hmmm sounds like angels and demons to me. They are spirit beings but they have the free will to follow God or Satan.

Stay hydrated and take some tylenol. Eat a little something and get your butt back here. lol

https://media.tenor.com/images/abcd1c505f535e2958ac85b64a901953/tenor.gif

 

[Trump_Virus]

Of course ghosts are real. Once, me and my friend saw a bunch of ghosts in an old abandoned hospital.
We turned a corner and there they were at the end of a long hallway. My friend turned to me and said 'are you seeing what I'm seeing?'
I replied " I sure as hell am, Easter Bunny, let's get out of here". So we left.

 

[Tryharder62]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/d0/67/12/d067128c72f9e0c490dd4f9503b67004--demon-baby-is-it-just-me.jpg

 

[Lazaran]

Of course ghosts are real. Once, me and my friend saw a bunch of ghosts in an old abandoned hospital.
We turned a corner and there they were at the end of a long hallway. My friend turned to me and said 'are you seeing what I'm seeing?'
I replied " I sure as hell am, Easter Bunny, let's get out of here". So we left.

Thanks for that.

After the terrible news today I really needed a laugh.

I honestly didn't realize how many magical thinkers there were on this board.

I figures though.

SAD!!!

 

[Tryharder62]

Thanks for that.

After the terrible news today I really needed a laugh.

I honestly didn't realize how many magical thinkers there were on this board.

I figures though.

SAD!!!

So what do you believe?

 

[Lazaran]

So what do you believe?

Go back a few posts.

I left a pretty detailed response on what I thought about ghosts.

Science has debunked nearly every unexplained phenomena advanced by spiritualists and ufologists.

I personally believe that people make choices, and that those who primarily make choices that grossly enrich themselves with total disregard for others are the closest thing to "evil" that exists. The scientific name for them is sociopaths. These sociopaths often have enablers who facilitate their evil deeds.

Sound familiar???

 

[Tryharder62]

Go back a few posts.

I left a pretty detailed response on what I thought about ghosts.

Science has debunked nearly every unexplained phenomena advanced by spiritualists and ufologists.

I personally believe that people make choices, and that those who primarily make choices that grossly enrich themselves with total disregard for others are the closest thing to "evil" that exists. The scientific name for them is sociopaths. These sociopaths often have enablers who facilitate their evil deeds.

Sound familiar???

This has not been my day! I knew you posted here but couldn't find it. Shees it was only a few posts away. I think I broke two fax machines today and I got a new phone that is much more advanced than my last one. I don't know how I am doing it but I keep sending random things to one of my sons. Yikes.

Yes, I think I know what you are referring too.

Seriously...off to bed....

 

[butters]

So you are saying that basically we believe the same thing. You are admitting that there are things that we can't touch/see/feel/taste/hear that are real - You don't know how many times I have heard that position used as evidence against the belief in a God. I know what it is, but I'm an idiot and couldn't possibly be right.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/6yRVg0HWzgS88/200w.gif

no, not really

i'm attributing those things as natural phenomenon, many of which we can identify and prove ('see/hear/smell' etc...,) through the benefits of man-made scientific equipment:

like a microscope allowing us to see matter too small and telescopes for distance-viewing, sensitive equipment to register the movements of the earth's crust in quakes, a simple prism to show us how 'white light' is really a bunch of different colours, satellites that can send and receive electronic messages, geiger counters to register radioactivity.

what seems otherworldly to us now may well prove to be simply more stuff we just don't understand -- yet. there may be stuff we never do, and i'm okay with that, too.

what i am not doing is attributing all those things to some supreme power.
so, no, where you are content to believe in some deity without any proof (as is your right), i believe most (if not all) is just stuff we just don't know yet and am content to live knowing i'll likely not know most of it.

 

[rae121452]

So you are saying that basically we believe the same thing. You are admitting that there are things that we can't touch/see/feel/taste/hear that are real - You don't know how many times I have heard that position used as evidence against the belief in a God. I know what it is, but I'm an idiot and couldn't possibly be right.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/6yRVg0HWzgS88/200w.gif



Oh ya, I remember vinyl records. What you said: elementals are not human, they are purer and older. they also have free will. Hmmm sounds like angels and demons to me. They are spirit beings but they have the free will to follow God or Satan.

Stay hydrated and take some tylenol. Eat a little something and get your butt back here. lol

https://media.tenor.com/images/abcd1c505f535e2958ac85b64a901953/tenor.gif

no, elementals are not related to humans. angels and demons are supposedly messengers from the divine. elementals were here, are here, have no relation to humans. they just exist on the same plane (sp?) and they aren't too happy about it.

 

[Tryharder62]

no, not really

i'm attributing those things as natural phenomenon, many of which we can identify and prove ('see/hear/smell' etc...,) through the benefits of man-made scientific equipment:

like a microscope allowing us to see matter too small and telescopes for distance-viewing, sensitive equipment to register the movements of the earth's crust in quakes, a simple prism to show us how 'white light' is really a bunch of different colours, satellites that can send and receive electronic messages, geiger counters to register radioactivity.

what seems otherworldly to us now may well prove to be simply more stuff we just don't understand -- yet. there may be stuff we never do, and i'm okay with that, too.

what i am not doing is attributing all those things to some supreme power.
so, no, where you are content to believe in some deity without any proof (as is your right), i believe most (if not all) is just stuff we just don't know yet and am content to live knowing i'll likely not know most of it.

Personally I love science...go science!!!! We both don't have proof. It looks like you have a lot of faith in science just like I do in God.

no, elementals are not related to humans. angels and demons are supposedly messengers from the divine. elementals were here, are here, have no relation to humans. they just exist on the same plane (sp?) and they aren't too happy about it.

Well angels were here before the days of creation. They aren't the same as humans. While the angels are messengers, It sounds like you're dealing with a lot of ticked off fallen angels or demons. Seems they are letting someone know they are not thrilled to be here. Oh and they have free will to choose who they want to follow.