Elon Musk is a scrub

[glamorilla]

Could be straight up undocumenteds.

DonOld employed maaaaaany undocumenteds at his properties, so I wouldn’t put it past President Musk to do the same.

They’re two POS in a pod.

Turds of a feather.

those bastards!

I'm glad we agree we need to send all illegal aliens back to where they came.

that'll show'em!

 

[rainsol]

He hires people to play his video game accounts and level for him.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/rs-gaming/elon-musk-cheating-gaming-diablo-iv-1235234041/

yup, he is too busy making money, billions and billions of dollars $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to play kids games but he wants them to buy his stuff, you know Tesla s et al

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You should've known this already since you claim he's a moron.

I don't care the slightest about Musk, though I think it's great he helped Trump win the recent election. He's just another public figure.

You're simply making claims about him you don't have real justifications for. You literally admitted your opinion about him is based upon other people's opinions. In other words, you outsourced your thinking and opinion about him to others.

Elon Musk is good at making money. I don't know of any other accomplishments he has.

Why do you have such a high opinion of Elon Musk?

 

[TastySuckToy]

Elon Musk is good at making money. I don't know of any other accomplishments he has.

Appealing to your ignorance about someone is not justification for making claims about them.

Why do you have such a high opinion of Elon Musk?

Since when?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Appealing to your ignorance about someone is not justification for making claims about them.

Since when?

Elon Musk has no accomplishments other than making money. He's not a good engineer. He's not a good CEO. He's not even good at playing video games.

You've been very active defending him in this thread. Why?

 

[Bray123]

What the nation spends on gaming is stupid. Stupidity sells.

We know stupidity sells, otherwise Trump would never be re-elected and making all that money from red hats & autographed Bibles.

 

[glamorilla]

Gamers are pussies.

 

[Lazaran]

One disagreement: Elon Musk has no technical ability. He sells himself as a tech geek, but he doesn’t have the intellect or training to solve technical problems.

Fair enough.

President Musk did have enough “technical” intellect to get a bachelors degree in physics and he did get accepted to Stanford’s physics program, so there was at least some demonstrated “technical” intellect there.

I won’t disagree that President Musk’s intellect may be more along the lines of DonOld’s criminal intellect in a narcissistic, sociopathic, self-serving way, but there was at least a modicum of “technical” intellect present with President Musk (I do NOT believe he was even an average engineer) which differentiates President Musk from DonOld.

No praise for either was / is intended.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Elon Musk has no accomplishments other than making money.

Prove it. Explain how he made shitloads of money by accomplishing nothing. And if doing nothing makes money, where are your billions?

He's not a good engineer.

Prove it. Show me his personal engineering projects and how they failed engineering principles.

He's not a good CEO.

Prove it. Explain what makes a good CEO and how he isn't one.

He's not even good at playing video games.

All of them? Some of them? Any of them? And who actually cares on that one anyhow?

You may as well be complaining he doesn't brush his teeth in a way you approve of.

You've been very active defending him in this thread. Why?

I'm asking you to defend your claims. I really don't care about Musk.

You could be shitting over some stranger I never heard of, and I'd still be asking the questions.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Prove it. Explain how he made shitloads of money by accomplishing nothing. And if doing nothing makes money, where are your billions?

Prove it. Show me his personal engineering projects and how they failed engineering principles.

Prove it. Explain what makes a good CEO and how he isn't one.

All of them? Some of them? Any of them? And who actually cares on that one anyhow?

You may as well be complaining he doesn't brush his teeth in a way you approve of.

I'm asking you to defend your claims. I really don't care about Musk.

You could be shitting over some stranger I never heard of, and I'd still be asking the questions.

Musk hit the jackpot early with PayPal. He lucked into being the richest man in the world. Every engineering idea that we can trace directly back to him has been a stupid failure: the hyperloop, the rescue submarine, the cybertruck. He bought Twitter and ran it into the ground. He's basically a rich version of Donald Trump. He puffs himself up and his fanboys all fall for it and swoon over him.

 

[EdgySubMic]

Prove it. Explain how he made shitloads of money by accomplishing nothing. And if doing nothing makes money, where are your billions?

Prove it. Show me his personal engineering projects and how they failed engineering principles.

Prove it. Explain what makes a good CEO and how he isn't one.

All of them? Some of them? Any of them? And who actually cares on that one anyhow?

You may as well be complaining he doesn't brush his teeth in a way you approve of.

I'm asking you to defend your claims. I really don't care about Musk.

You could be shitting over some stranger I never heard of, and I'd still be asking the questions.

OK, adding an opinion based on actual direct experience: I used to work for a Tesla supplier. In fact, I managed that project and Tesla as a customer for many years. Given how at Tesla the hierarchy is very flat and also often contains empty seats (the employee turnover rate is enormous (and by the way, in engineering they're almost all Indian)), I dealt with Elon personally a number of times. And I sure know a bigly lot about how he manages or "manages" R&D at Tesla.

Elon is not the superhero that his cult makes him out to be. Not. At. All.

 

[PintlerMan]

you are so envious of him and his life, he has a space in your brain, and you wish you where as awesome as he is. Plain to see.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

you are so envious of him and his life, he has a space in your brain, and you wish you where as awesome as he is. Plain to see.

For a rich guy he seems pretty miserable. His kids hate him and want nothing to do with him. He desperately wants to be seen as cool, but he's just a pathetic wannabe and everyone laughs at him behind his back.

 

[TastySuckToy]

He's basically a rich version of Donald Trump.

That's actually high praise, given my assessment of Trump as a person.

He puffs himself up and his fanboys all fall for it and swoon over him.

What you don't seem to grasp is that hating on the guy is just as pathetic as fanboying over him.

 

[jomar]

That's actually high praise, given my assessment of Trump as a person.

So curious. What is your assessment of trump as a person and what are you basing that assessment on?

What you don't seem to grasp is that hating on the guy is just as pathetic as fanboying over him.

Not really

 

[jomar]

Elon Musk has no accomplishments other than making money.

I dunno, see below.

Musk hit the jackpot early with PayPal. He lucked into being the richest man in the world.

He came up with X.com and merged with a similar Peter Thiel company to form PayPal. Peter Thiel! So skill combined with the luck of timing paid off huge. And luck is a thing with big success.

Every engineering idea that we can trace directly back to him has been a stupid failure: the hyperloop, the rescue submarine, the cybertruck.

He has had some fantastic goofs, but also some fine successes like starlink and I think the boring company.

He bought Twitter and ran it into the ground. He's basically a rich version of Donald Trump. He puffs himself up and his fanboys all fall for it and swoon over him.

He was pretty much a gabazillionaire by then and twitter was just so much pocket change so he probably didn’t give too many fucks.

Because real engineers I’ve worked with and respect think Elon Musk a moron. There aren’t any genius technical decisions that you can point to and say “Elon did that”.

Eh, he has some legit educational bona fides and came up with x.com on the way to the PayPal brass ring, so there’s that. But I’d say after that he’s probably more of a visionary kind of guy than a hands on coding nerd, though he wants everyone to think he is.

That’s why him cheating to the top of a gaming leaderboard is so telling. Musk could pay someone to level his character, but since didn’t put in the hours to learn how to play his leet build, he fell flat on his face when he tried to show it off.

Git good, scrub.

Yeah, that’s pretty desperate and insecure.

For the record, I’m not at all a musk fan and think he’s a nepo baby asshole. Though I do worry about how much he’s gonna raise the deficit lining his pockets given his influential hooks into trump and the milliondy dollars in government contracts his companies have, which he is absolutely going to leverage.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

Musk hit the jackpot early with PayPal. He lucked into being the richest man in the world. Every engineering idea that we can trace directly back to him has been a stupid failure: the hyperloop, the rescue submarine, the cybertruck. He bought Twitter and ran it into the ground. He's basically a rich version of Donald Trump. He puffs himself up and his fanboys all fall for it and swoon over him.

Let’s play a little game.

Your dislike of Elon is well recorded here. You’ve made a lot of accusations, and I for one don’t know (or much care) if they’re true or you’re just engaging in hyperbole.

Would you say the same for Bill Gates? Some of your accusations about Musk could easily be said of Gates. Do you hold him in the same contempt?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Let’s play a little game.

Your dislike of Elon is well recorded here. You’ve made a lot of accusations, and I for one don’t know (or much care) if they’re true or you’re just engaging in hyperbole.

Would you say the same for Bill Gates? Some of your accusations about Musk could easily be said of Gates. Do you hold him in the same contempt?

Bill Gates actually seems to have done some real technical work in the early days of Microsoft. I'll also give Jeff Bezos credit from building Amazon up out of nothing. Neither one seems as utterly vacuous as Musk.

 

[glamorilla]

I never watched the show. Which scrub is he?

The one everyone's jealous of.

 

[Bn2f]

Would you say the same for Bill Gates? Some of your accusations about Musk could easily be said of Gates. Do you hold him in the same contempt?

Kudos to BSG for answering.
I’m over here like - Bill Gates???

 

[dmallord]

So your opinion is simply based upon other people's personal opinions, not Elon's actual education level or accomplishments.

It seems the opinion isn't based solely on others' views but on a pattern of credible testimonies and firsthand accounts from those who've worked closely with Elon. These insights provide a more nuanced perspective on his leadership and decision-making style—beyond the public image crafted by his education or accomplishments. Success on paper doesn't negate the experiences of those directly encountering challenges under his management. It's entirely reasonable to consider these perspectives when forming an informed opinion.

Why so smug? Would you happen to have an ax to grind over being critical of Elon? Own a product of his that works or doesn't work?

 

[EdgySubMic]

It seems the opinion isn't based solely on others' views but on a pattern of credible testimonies and firsthand accounts from those who've worked closely with Elon. These insights provide a more nuanced perspective on his leadership and decision-making style—beyond the public image crafted by his education or accomplishments. Success on paper doesn't negate the experiences of those directly encountering challenges under his management. It's entirely reasonable to consider these perspectives when forming an informed opinion.

Exactly. I've dealt with him a number of times and have dealt with many people who worked with him directly for either months or years. My opinions of him are in part based on those experiences and, as such, have been formed over a period of about 6 years that started in earnest over 10 years apo, long before he got into politics. (Of course, I knew about him long before then, but I did not really care about "Musk the person" in those days.) During the time when we interfaced, there was no "Musk hate" in the mix. There just were observations of what he did and how sub-optimally he did some of it. In fact, technically/environmentally, I very much liked his visions on the energy transition, and I also liked his drive (I have the same), but it became clear to me early on that he was mostly a visionary with certain passions and – most of all – very deep pockets. The real engineering work, that so many people credit him for, was not his.

Once I saw the way in which he bought (and later ruined) Twitter, and once he got into politics, he did take a nosedive in my esteem, however. He piled blunder upon blunder; he betrayed his fundamental vision in order to appease someone who sees climate change and other effects of the world's dependency oil in a diametrically opposed way, and he did so for no other reason than to protect his government income; he defends free speech only if and when it suits him and actively oppresses it when it doesn't; etc.

One more thing. Musk has acknowledged having Asperger. I have absolutely nothing against people with Asperger. In fact, my mother had it, and so does my very best friend, which is why I "knew" about Musk long before he made it public. The difference between them and Musk is that, while my mother and my very best friend had/have difficulty predicting/interpreting other people's reaction/emotions, they both had/have sufficient self-control to not openly cause damage. Musk doesn't. He even has caused major damage to himself by making public statements that, while purely factually logical and true (at the very least in his own mental framework), any "sane" person in his position would have expected to cause major misunderstandings, uproar, and undesired effects. (*) Musk is most definitely not stupid, but he is not capable of understanding that other people might not have the same (true or false) information that he has; or the same insight that he has; or the same vision that he has; or that they might have reasons to have a vision of their own, based even on the same data. He also has major trouble understanding how to "win" a debate or a fight other than by force, a trait that has gotten far worse over time as his financial power grew. All of this makes him a very bad choice for a role in government – esp. of a "free speech" nation – without even considering his more extreme political opinions.

(*) Referring to the time in 2018 he tweeted about taking Tesla private, as just one example. His handling of the "I will buy Twitter. Oh, no, I won't." mess was similarly affected.

 

[Lazaran]

Exactly. I've dealt with him a number of times and have dealt with many people who worked with him directly for either months or years. My opinions of him are in part based on those experiences and, as such, have been formed over a period of about 6 years that started in earnest over 10 years apo, long before he got into politics. (Of course, I knew about him long before then, but I did not really care about "Musk the person" in those days.) During the time when we interfaced, there was no "Musk hate" in the mix. There just were observations of what he did and how sub-optimally he did some of it. In fact, technically/environmentally, I very much liked his visions on the energy transition, and I also liked his drive (I have the same), but it became clear to me early on that he was mostly a visionary with certain passions and – most of all – very deep pockets. The real engineering work, that so many people credit him for, was not his.

Once I saw the way in which he bought (and later ruined) Twitter, and once he got into politics, he did take a nosedive in my esteem, however. He piled blunder upon blunder; he betrayed his fundamental vision in order to appease someone who sees climate change and other effects of the world's dependency oil in a diametrically opposed way, and he did so for no other reason than to protect his government income; he defends free speech only if and when it suits him and actively oppresses it when it doesn't; etc.

One more thing. Musk has acknowledged having Asperger. I have absolutely nothing against people with Asperger. In fact, my mother had it, and so does my very best friend, which is why I "knew" about Musk long before he made it public. The difference between them and Musk is that, while my mother and my very best friend had/have difficulty predicting/interpreting other people's reaction/emotions, they both had/have sufficient self-control to not openly cause damage. Musk doesn't. He even has caused major damage to himself by making public statements that, while purely factually logical and true (at the very least in his own mental framework), any "sane" person in his position would have expected to cause major misunderstandings, uproar, and undesired effects. (*) Musk is most definitely not stupid, but he is not capable of understanding that other people might not have the same (true or false) information that he has; or the same insight that he has; or the same vision that he has; or that they might have reasons to have a vision of their own, based even on the same data. He also has major trouble understanding how to "win" a debate or a fight other than by force, a trait that has gotten far worse over time as his financial power grew. All of this makes him a very bad choice for a role in government – esp. of a "free speech" nation – without even considering his more extreme political opinions.

(*) Referring to the time in 2018 he tweeted about taking Tesla private, as just one example. His handling of the "I will buy Twitter. Oh, no, I won't." mess was similarly affected.

Solid post.



I got much the same impression of President Musk just from his public presentations and the publicly available information about his life & career arc.

President Musk is pretty much an open book (practically Shakespearean) - and, much like DonOld, it’s because he can’t really help himself…

 

[EdgySubMic]

Would you say the same for Bill Gates? Some of your accusations about Musk could easily be said of Gates. Do you hold him in the same contempt?

To a certain extent, I do indeed. But there's a big but.

Just like Musk, Bill was not the best engineer, nor did he do much engineering once he could get out of that line of work. Being a passionate computer scientist myself, I have long disliked much of what Bill and his company produced. Initially, this was based purely on quality and a lack of taste (as Steve Jobs called it), as well as the "Microsoft's way is the only way" approach to how people are supposed to use a computer. Not to mention his failure to see the importance of the internet long after I "got it". Later on, my dislike was also based on Microsoft's business practices (which, I have to admit, got far worse after Gates left the helm – kudos to him after all).

However, I consider Gates to be far more intelligent, far better suited at managing things and especially leading people, and at his core a far more ethically correct person. I will be surprised when Musk will start donating substantial parts of his personal fortune for the sake of improving the human condition of people everywhere in the world, independent of their own opinions.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Exactly. I've dealt with him a number of times and have dealt with many people who worked with him directly for either months or years. My opinions of him are in part based on those experiences and, as such, have been formed over a period of about 6 years that started in earnest over 10 years apo, long before he got into politics. (Of course, I knew about him long before then, but I did not really care about "Musk the person" in those days.) During the time when we interfaced, there was no "Musk hate" in the mix. There just were observations of what he did and how sub-optimally he did some of it. In fact, technically/environmentally, I very much liked his visions on the energy transition, and I also liked his drive (I have the same), but it became clear to me early on that he was mostly a visionary with certain passions and – most of all – very deep pockets. The real engineering work, that so many people credit him for, was not his.

Once I saw the way in which he bought (and later ruined) Twitter, and once he got into politics, he did take a nosedive in my esteem, however. He piled blunder upon blunder; he betrayed his fundamental vision in order to appease someone who sees climate change and other effects of the world's dependency oil in a diametrically opposed way, and he did so for no other reason than to protect his government income; he defends free speech only if and when it suits him and actively oppresses it when it doesn't; etc.

One more thing. Musk has acknowledged having Asperger. I have absolutely nothing against people with Asperger. In fact, my mother had it, and so does my very best friend, which is why I "knew" about Musk long before he made it public. The difference between them and Musk is that, while my mother and my very best friend had/have difficulty predicting/interpreting other people's reaction/emotions, they both had/have sufficient self-control to not openly cause damage. Musk doesn't. He even has caused major damage to himself by making public statements that, while purely factually logical and true (at the very least in his own mental framework), any "sane" person in his position would have expected to cause major misunderstandings, uproar, and undesired effects. (*) Musk is most definitely not stupid, but he is not capable of understanding that other people might not have the same (true or false) information that he has; or the same insight that he has; or the same vision that he has; or that they might have reasons to have a vision of their own, based even on the same data. He also has major trouble understanding how to "win" a debate or a fight other than by force, a trait that has gotten far worse over time as his financial power grew. All of this makes him a very bad choice for a role in government – esp. of a "free speech" nation – without even considering his more extreme political opinions.

(*) Referring to the time in 2018 he tweeted about taking Tesla private, as just one example. His handling of the "I will buy Twitter. Oh, no, I won't." mess was similarly affected.

As someone on the spectrum myself, Musk doesn’t come off as someone with Asperger’s. People on the spectrum are more perceptive than NTs give us credit for, but the fact that we don’t play their reindeer games makes them perceive us as detached.

I think that Musk is a narcissist who says he has Asperger’s because he thinks it looks cool—all the Real Geeks (tm) are on the spectrum. It’s like him claiming to be a leet gamer while paying people to level for him.

I also think he thinks that claiming to have Asperger’s gives him license to act like an asshole—another sign that he’s just putting on geekface.