Environmental Disaster in the Making

[Zeb_Carter]

The disaster in the southwest United States, mainly Arizona and Texas, is becoming epic in its proportions. 25 million pound of waste is being dumped in the Arizona and Texas desert, 118,000 acres of pristine desert is being used as a garbage dump. It is costing the US taxpayers millions to clean up, yet there has been no environmental outrage, no picketers in front of the offending companies or individuals. No confiscation of assets to pay for the clean up.

 

[Tom Collins]

The disaster in the southwest United States, mainly Arizona and Texas, is becoming epic in its proportions. 25 million pound of waste is being dumped in the Arizona and Texas desert, 118,000 acres of pristine desert is being used as a garbage dump.

Last year, 500 tons of trash was strewn across the Buenos Aires refuge...

The figure they give in this article is 500 tons, which equals 1,000,000 pounds, not 25,000,000. Where are you getting 25 times the amount that they speak of?

It is costing the US taxpayers millions to clean up, yet there has been no environmental outrage, no picketers in front of the offending companies or individuals. No confiscation of assets to pay for the clean up.

...at least 200,000 to 300,000 crossers a year on the 118,000-acre refuge...

This article also clearly states that illegal border crossers are leaving the garbage in question. What companies are we supposed to be picketing and confiscating the assets of in order to stop said littering and pay for it's clean up? Are you expecting the government to hunt down illegal immigrants from Mexico and fine them for littering? I'm certain that they don't have any assets to confiscate. If they did then they wouldn't be immigrating illegally to begin with.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

The figure they give in this article is 500 tons, which equals 1,000,000 pounds, not 25,000,000. Where are you getting 25 times the amount that they speak of?



This article also clearly states that illegal border crossers are leaving the garbage in question. What companies are we supposed to be picketing and confiscating the assets of in order to stop said littering and pay for it's clean up? Are you expecting the government to hunt down illegal immigrants from Mexico and fine them for littering? I'm certain that they don't have any assets to confiscate. If they did then they wouldn't be immigrating illegally to begin with.

Sorry, that was a mis-type it should read 2,400,000 million pounds.

About 8 pounds per border crosser time 300,000. Of course there is the 100 cars at say 2,000 pounds a piece, so that's 2.6 million pounds.

It's just my way of saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your a true environmentalist you should be outraged at the desicration of our land by the illegals as you would be by anyone else.

 

[Tom Collins]

Sorry, that was a mis-type it should read 2,400,000 million pounds.

About 8 pounds per border crosser time 300,000. Of course there is the 100 cars at say 2,000 pounds a piece, so that's 2.6 million pounds.

It's just my way of saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your a true environmentalist you should be outraged at the desicration of our land by the illegals as you would be by anyone else.

How much trash do crossers leave in their wake? A report by a presidential advisory committee, the Good Neighbor Environmental Board, says more than six tons of solid waste — about 8 pounds per border crosser — is dumped daily on the Tohono O'odham Nation, a reservation that spans 75 miles along the Arizona border.

I find this figure rediculus. Just stop for a second and consider how much that garbage would have to weigh before it was garbage. You know, back when the food and beverages were still in it?

If you're walking along, carrying 8 pounds of pop bottles, candy wrappers and tin cans of food, how much is that going to weight before it's empty? And then there's the mass to consider...could one person carry that much weight and mass through a desert and get more than a mile?

I don't think these people are taking into account how much would be blown in on the wind.

 

[Liar]

Sorry, that was a mis-type it should read 2,400,000 million pounds.

About 8 pounds per border crosser time 300,000. Of course there is the 100 cars at say 2,000 pounds a piece, so that's 2.6 million pounds.

It's just my way of saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your a true environmentalist you should be outraged at the desicration of our land by the illegals as you would be by anyone else.

Just because I'm bored:

20.3 POJ (pounds of junk)/acre.

An acre is 43560 square feet.

0.00047 POJ/square foot.

or

0.0075 OOJ(ounces of junk)/square foot.

A standard beer cap weighs approx 0.077 ounces.

That means one beer cap's weight in junk per 10,3 square feet.



Untidy, it is. Environmental disaster? Unless those are uranium beer caps, I think mother nature will bounce back.

 

[wazhazhe]

Sorry, that was a mis-type it should read 2,400,000 million pounds.

About 8 pounds per border crosser time 300,000. Of course there is the 100 cars at say 2,000 pounds a piece, so that's 2.6 million pounds.

It's just my way of saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your a true environmentalist you should be outraged at the desicration of our land by the illegals as you would be by anyone else.

You're taking statistics from one location and trying to apply it to another. The article clearly states 500 tons for this particular location.

ETA: What companies are we supposed to be picketing?

 

[Tom Collins]

You're taking statistics from one location and trying to apply it to another. The article clearly states 500 tons for this particular location.

ETA: What companies are we supposed to be picketing?

Yeah, I asked him that and he neatly avoided the question. He won't even try to justify a claim that someone proves is rediculus.

 

[wazhazhe]

Yeah, I asked him that and he neatly avoided the question. He won't even try to justify a claim that someone proves is rediculus.

I was trying to remind him he "forgot" to answer the question.

 

[Tom Collins]

I was trying to remind him he "forgot" to answer the question.

Ahhh...I didn't realize. Thank you.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I find this figure rediculus. Just stop for a second and consider how much that garbage would have to weigh before it was garbage. You know, back when the food and beverages were still in it?

If you're walking along, carrying 8 pounds of pop bottles, candy wrappers and tin cans of food, how much is that going to weight before it's empty? And then there's the mass to consider...could one person carry that much weight and mass through a desert and get more than a mile?

I don't think these people are taking into account how much would be blown in on the wind.

What you eat also comes out, I believe the estimate also includes human waste.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It's just my way of saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your a true environmentalist you should be outraged at the desicration of our land by the illegals as you would be by anyone else.

I did answer your question. It was in the post right after yours. Sorry if you missed it but that's not my fault if you don't read my posts.

It appears that no one reads what I type anyway.

 

[kendo1]

Hi Zeb!

Did you say someyhing?

ken

 

[wazhazhe]

I did answer your question. It was in the post right after yours. Sorry if you missed it but that's not my fault if you don't read my posts.

It appears that no one reads what I type anyway.

Instead of responding to yourself, why don't you try answering some of the questions in other people's posts?

 

[cantdog]

Sorry, that was a mis-type it should read 2,400,000 million pounds.

About 8 pounds per border crosser time 300,000. Of course there is the 100 cars at say 2,000 pounds a piece, so that's 2.6 million pounds.

It's just my way of saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your a true environmentalist you should be outraged at the desicration of our land by the illegals as you would be by anyone else.

That's the post, zeb. What companies ought to be picketed ain't in it.

2.4 million million pounds, 2.6 million pounts, 500 pounds. Go home and sober up; call us when the facts are straight. 6 tons a day for how many days?

Good Neighbor Board?

 

[minsue]

Sorry, that was a mis-type it should read 2,400,000 million pounds.

So why have you left the original post reading 25 million?

 

[Guest]

So why have you left the original post reading 25 million?

Because.