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Esperanza's Vintage Pict Thread

I don't know why but I feel like the vintage pictures are so much more classy than what you see today.
 
HarlotMinx said:
I don't know why but I feel like the vintage pictures are so much more classy than what you see today.
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To me, they capture something different. Time, place, mood, and then being in B&W adds a certain class. I love em. Now I am into all of these lesbian pulp novels. I purchased two, but they are kinda pricey, so I am gonna scour for bargains. They are so ribald and sexy!

The two I bought have a hetero component. Must be like that to find a broader audience. Let me see if I can post the title pages.
 
I just wanted to say thank you for those beautiful photographs. I agree, the definitely define a more classy time, seems a little more sophistacated...Thanks again
 
Esperanza_Hidalgo said:
To me, they capture something different. Time, place, mood, and then being in B&W adds a certain class. I love em. Now I am into all of these lesbian pulp novels. I purchased two, but they are kinda pricey, so I am gonna scour for bargains. They are so ribald and sexy!

The two I bought have a hetero component. Must be like that to find a broader audience. Let me see if I can post the title pages.
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I'm not really surprised there'd be a hetero component to a lot of things. From my experience, the gay/lesbian population is too tiny to really market anything to. I've only met 1 lesbian and 2 gay guys in my life, outside of the internet. That's compared to hundreds that are bi. Some of them lean toward the gay/lesbian side, though. One of the 2 gay guys, though, admits to claiming gay status due to the fact that women are scary. Even here on lit, you, Etoile, and Safe Bet are the only lesbians I can think of and I don't remember any any of the guys mentioning they were exclusively gay. I was also a member of another sex forum for years, that was all about woman exclusive porn. There were probably 50 or so women there (all but 2 ate pussy), yet there were only 2 lesbians. One of them was married to a guy, though, and readily admitted that she enjoyed sex with her husband, so she doesn't really count. :D Considering the non straight community is only supposed to be 10% even by high estimates, less than 1% of that is tiny.

Anyway, thanks for the pictures. They're still pretty hot. ;)
 
infinity706 said:
I'm not really surprised there'd be a hetero component to a lot of things. From my experience, the gay/lesbian population is too tiny to really market anything to. I've only met 1 lesbian and 2 gay guys in my life, outside of the internet. That's compared to hundreds that are bi. Some of them lean toward the gay/lesbian side, though. One of the 2 gay guys, though, admits to claiming gay status due to the fact that women are scary. Even here on lit, you, Etoile, and Safe Bet are the only lesbians I can think of and I don't remember any any of the guys mentioning they were exclusively gay. I was also a member of another sex forum for years, that was all about woman exclusive porn. There were probably 50 or so women there (all but 2 ate pussy), yet there were only 2 lesbians. One of them was married to a guy, though, and readily admitted that she enjoyed sex with her husband, so she doesn't really count. :D Considering the non straight community is only supposed to be 10% even by high estimates, less than 1% of that is tiny.

Anyway, thanks for the pictures. They're still pretty hot. ;)
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......seriously? I mean maybe that's a function of where you live but seriously? There millions of gays and lesbians in the US, there whole industries devoted to gays and lesbians. Hell there almost more queer clubs than het clubs here in DC! I'm not attacking you but there is a huge LG community, I can think of 7 gay men that I have to interact with on a day to day basis and that isn't in a queer setting but a just going to the groceries, saying hi to my neighbor, going to work sense. I think your perception may be tainted by your environments. I would not really classify this as a GLBT website. There is an overwhelming majority of bi men, true, but I think that's more a function of the fact this is a sex story site and if you were to look at the bi contingent you'll see most are closeted hence most of them being on this site to express their sexuality. I wouldn't expect to see many Hindu in in Georgia but that's not indicative of the amount of Hindu on earth, or even in the US. Also, how many Gay or Lesbians might you have met that simply weren't broadcasting? How many might you bump into at a grocery store or pass driving down the road. I mean most people who are queer don't advertise, even to friends. Being gay and lesbian doesn't exactly come with the best social benefits. It's like Transsexuals, I once had a friend tell me that their couldn't be more than 4,000 in the US, but the Olyslager and Conway's 2007 report put it at over 70,000 mtfs and 38,000 ftms and all in a few select states. If you lived anywhere in central america I wouldn't expect you'd ever see them. The transsexual population is minuscule compared to the Gay and Lesbian population.

10% of the population would be 31 million gueer individuals in the US, I'm not sure what the less than %1 would be, is that the number of gays and lesbians in the 10%? I'm not sure where you were going with that number.

EDIT: I reread my post and it seemed like I'm angry based on my wording. I swear I'm not, and I'm not criticizing you just pointing out that I think it's not realistic to say that their aren't many gays or lesbians in the US based on those personal experiences.
 
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@HarlotMinx

Well we're really talking about whether there was a large enough gay and lesbian market, at the time of these materials, to support publishing businesses. In the era before "anonymous" internet purchases, and print on demand publishers. Which is an entirely different subject than how big of a number 10% of the population represents.

Majority of those pulp novels would have been bought by straight men, so throwing the hetero action in makes business sense.

In any case, smoking hot pics, keep em coming. :)
 
TallOne said:
@HarlotMinx

Well we're really talking about whether there was a large enough gay and lesbian market, at the time of these materials, to support publishing businesses. In the era before "anonymous" internet purchases, and print on demand publishers. Which is an entirely different subject than how big of a number 10% of the population represents.

Majority of those pulp novels would have been bought by straight men, so throwing the hetero action in makes business sense.

In any case, smoking hot pics, keep em coming. :)
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See, I thought that too at first but if you read through the first sentence, he's talking about present tense.
 
HarlotMinx said:
......seriously? I mean maybe that's a function of where you live but seriously? There millions of gays and lesbians in the US, there whole industries devoted to gays and lesbians. Hell there almost more queer clubs than het clubs here in DC! I'm not attacking you but there is a huge LG community, I can think of 7 gay men that I have to interact with on a day to day basis and that isn't in a queer setting but a just going to the groceries, saying hi to my neighbor, going to work sense. I think your perception may be tainted by your environments. I would not really classify this as a GLBT website. There is an overwhelming majority of bi men, true, but I think that's more a function of the fact this is a sex story site and if you were to look at the bi contingent you'll see most are closeted hence most of them being on this site to express their sexuality. I wouldn't expect to see many Hindu in in Georgia but that's not indicative of the amount of Hindu on earth, or even in the US. Also, how many Gay or Lesbians might you have met that simply weren't broadcasting? How many might you bump into at a grocery store or pass driving down the road. I mean most people who are queer don't advertise, even to friends. Being gay and lesbian doesn't exactly come with the best social benefits. It's like Transsexuals, I once had a friend tell me that their couldn't be more than 4,000 in the US, but the Olyslager and Conway's 2007 report put it at over 70,000 mtfs and 38,000 ftms and all in a few select states. If you lived anywhere in central america I wouldn't expect you'd ever see them. The transsexual population is minuscule compared to the Gay and Lesbian population.

10% of the population would be 31 million gueer individuals in the US, I'm not sure what the less than %1 would be, is that the number of gays and lesbians in the 10%? I'm not sure where you were going with that number.

EDIT: I reread my post and it seemed like I'm angry based on my wording. I swear I'm not, and I'm not criticizing you just pointing out that I think it's not realistic to say that their aren't many gays or lesbians in the US based on those personal experiences.
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I have to wonder about the statistics, though. They vary so much that part of it has to be definitions. I know a lot of people would put me in the gay group because I like guys and even more that would lump me into the gay category due to the majority of my partners being guys. A lot of other people would base it entirely on the last partner someone had. I'd put anyone that would consider sex with either men or women at least occasionally in the bi category. I know hundreds of people that the average person on the street would consider gay/lesbian, though. Infact, sucking one cock 20 years ago is enough for gay status in a lot of people's books. Part of the self identification thing is people just flatout lying, though. I know serveral women that have told guys they were a lesbian even though they'd never even kissed another woman. I've also been propositioned by tons of 'straight' guys. There's also the 'straight chicks' that fuck women and blame it on alcohol or claim that it doesn't count as long as there was a guy there. :D (the latter is more common with guys, though) I even saw a notorious gay basher feeling up one of her 'friends' in the backroom of a building one time. Obviously, straight chicks have other straight chicks sit on their lap and have their hand up the other woman's shirt and the other hand cupping her cunt. ;)

Sure, I've met plenty of people that spend most of their time playing on the gay/lesbian side. It's just hard to count them as gay/lesbian because they'd clearly fuck someone of the opposite sex if it were the right person and situation. They can call themselves what they want, but that doesn't make it so.
 
infinity706 said:
I have to wonder about the statistics, though. They vary so much that part of it has to be definitions. I know a lot of people would put me in the gay group because I like guys and even more that would lump me into the gay category due to the majority of my partners being guys. A lot of other people would base it entirely on the last partner someone had. I'd put anyone that would consider sex with either men or women at least occasionally in the bi category. I know hundreds of people that the average person on the street would consider gay/lesbian, though. Infact, sucking one cock 20 years ago is enough for gay status in a lot of people's books. Part of the self identification thing is people just flatout lying, though. I know serveral women that have told guys they were a lesbian even though they'd never even kissed another woman. I've also been propositioned by tons of 'straight' guys. There's also the 'straight chicks' that fuck women and blame it on alcohol or claim that it doesn't count as long as there was a guy there. :D (the latter is more common with guys, though) I even saw a notorious gay basher feeling up one of her 'friends' in the backroom of a building one time. Obviously, straight chicks have other straight chicks sit on their lap and have their hand up the other woman's shirt and the other hand cupping her cunt. ;)

Sure, I've met plenty of people that spend most of their time playing on the gay/lesbian side. It's just hard to count them as gay/lesbian because they'd clearly fuck someone of the opposite sex if it were the right person and situation. They can call themselves what they want, but that doesn't make it so.
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Okay, I'm REALLY not trying to call you a racist with this comment because that's not where I'm going with it (I can see how it might be misinterpreted so I wanted to clarify to begin with). But that's like saying who's white? I mean if you have a Asian or Indian great great great grandfather can you say you're white? I mean you have to draw the line at some point and say their is a certain amount of permissiveness or do away with labels all together. I mean if a woman has never had sex with a man and yet has fantasized about a man, is she bi? What if she thinks that he's just attractive? What about a gay man who had sex with a woman and realized he didn't like it and decides to have sex with only men afterward? At what point is someone a pure lesbian or a gay? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but do you feel we should do away with the concepts of lesbian and gay and just have queer or do you think those terms should be only delegated to the extremes?
 
I'm actually not sure where the line "should" be drawn, but there has to be some universal definition for 'straight,' 'gay/lesbian,' 'bisexual' to mean anything. The current official definition is just simply to let people self identify, though. Personally, I'd just do away with all the labels, since they're mostly just used to discriminate against people, anyway. Of course, even if they weren't, they're probably worthless due to the fact that if they were being honest, just about everyone would pursue the same and opposite sex if it were the right person/situation and there was zero risk of being judged over it. That's not even considering transexuals and issues like testosterone/estrogen 'contamination' during pregnancy.

I'm not really even sure what to do with some of those specific cases. I don't think fantasy would count since they don't have to be realistic, but if the woman is attracted to the guy and just not fucking him due to relationship boundaries or to maintain her reputation as a lesbian, that would probably disqualify her even though it would be only known to herself.

As for the gay man, it would really depend on why he didn't like sex with the woman and why he only has sex with men, afterward. It could just be that she was a poor quality fuck or that he finds men to be easier (assuming that's a plus for him) I, for example have had over 90% male partners simply due to the number of offers from men and women that I liked.
 
infinity706 said:
I'm actually not sure where the line "should" be drawn, but there has to be some universal definition for 'straight,' 'gay/lesbian,' 'bisexual' to mean anything. The current official definition is just simply to let people self identify, though. Personally, I'd just do away with all the labels, since they're mostly just used to discriminate against people, anyway. Of course, even if they weren't, they're probably worthless due to the fact that if they were being honest, just about everyone would pursue the same and opposite sex if it were the right person/situation and there was zero risk of being judged over it. That's not even considering transexuals and issues like testosterone/estrogen 'contamination' during pregnancy.

I'm not really even sure what to do with some of those specific cases. I don't think fantasy would count since they don't have to be realistic, but if the woman is attracted to the guy and just not fucking him due to relationship boundaries or to maintain her reputation as a lesbian, that would probably disqualify her even though it would be only known to herself.

As for the gay man, it would really depend on why he didn't like sex with the woman and why he only has sex with men, afterward. It could just be that she was a poor quality fuck or that he finds men to be easier (assuming that's a plus for him) I, for example have had over 90% male partners simply due to the number of offers from men and women that I liked.
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While it would be nice to have a world without labels... it'd make it very hard to talk about anything or distinguish anything. I think while labels can be used to discriminate, hard definitions are used even more. If you had some universal rule about what it means to be a lesbian you'd get women who get labeled "not lesbian enough" and mixed with bisexuals. I think it'd develop a sense of elitism... hell that already exists but to a lower degree.

I guess the best way to express my idea is "The world is not white and black and a world with no black is very hard to see in". We can talk about the qualifications of people's sexuality but I think in the end only people can really decide who and what they are. I mean take me for example, I could see myself having sex with a penis, in fact I'd prefer a penis to a dildo but I just can't have sex with a man. I'm not attracted to the person, I'm attracted to the genitals. I label myself a lesbian though because I define my sexuality as more personality based than genital based. I think what's important isn't the technicality of people's sexuality but the spirit of it.

Now, to justify going too off track let me address the original issue, in our past their is a much higher prevalence of homosexuals than is apparent to us looking back but at the time the social pressure against homosexuality forced it really to go underground even though we see some hints like the mattachine society and Radcliffe that there was homosexuality and in significant numbers... though mostly hidden. So I think the pandering to the het crowed never had anything to do with there not being many homosexuals so much as the general social unacceptability of same sex interaction. In fact almost all these pictures you see were likely kept private due to the questionable legality of porn at the times.
 
Well, I certainly have no problem with that. Hopefully, one day, you'll run into a crossdresser or a shemale that you're attracted to, so you can enjoy sex with a penis. Of course, it does damage the gay/lesbian/straight boxes just as much as "men with pussies" as Stella put it. :D (seriously, we need a dirty word for FTMs. I think cuntmen would be good, but a lot of people are offended by cunt) At minimum, though, lesbian, gay, and straight need to all be split in fourths to cover MTF and FTM transexuals for accuracy.
 
infinity706 said:
Well, I certainly have no problem with that. Hopefully, one day, you'll run into a crossdresser or a shemale that you're attracted to, so you can enjoy sex with a penis. Of course, it does damage the gay/lesbian/straight boxes just as much as "men with pussies" as Stella put it. :D (seriously, we need a dirty word for FTMs. I think cuntmen would be good, but a lot of people are offended by cunt) At minimum, though, lesbian, gay, and straight need to all be split in fourths to cover MTF and FTM transexuals for accuracy.
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eh, crossdressers just don't do it for me, they're still a man in woman's clothing no matter what they look like in my perception. It's something about the personality that i only find in some women.
 
Well, if it's personality, you might even be able to find a guy. Afterall, just about everyone online assumes I'm a woman unless I tell them (and sometimes that doesn't even work). I've even had a lot of women that know me personally, tell me that I act and think like a woman. (I also scored higher on feminine traits for the sex role inventory than any of the women that took the test when I did) Sure, it might be rarer in guys, but its out there somewhere.
 
I always did like vintage porn. Afterall, it came from an era where good girls didn't (or if they did, the certainly didn't tell the whole world) and sex was for men's enjoyment and pregnancy. ;) It's kind of interesting that even without modern communication like the internet, men and women still managed to be as kinky as we are, today. The only things I really haven't seen were crossdressing guys or things where they didn't have the technology (sex changes, fucking machines, etc.). It was an era before most women shaved their cunts and armpits or got plastic surgery, though.

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