Fatal Flaw in U.S. Constitution

[KeithD]

Parties doing gerrymandering and Congress and State Legislatures making laws restricting who can vote where, when, etc.

Gerrymandering has no effect on presidential election voting in a state and you mentioned senators and congressional representatives. It's the state legislatures that are involved in state voting laws and practices, not their national Congress senators and representatives.

 

[coati]

What would have to be done for drastic election reform is for the majority to go more of a majority--at least two thirds of the seats in both national houses for the next decade, plus over two-thirds control of the seats in over two-thirds of the state legislatures for the next fifteen years. Not likely, but in their traitorous and treacherous support for the corrupted, criminal, and traitor Trump, the Republicans are doing what they can to help this happen.

Look at the stability of the numbers. The Republican minority you describe is getting more entrenched

The broad two-thirds strategy you describe is highly unlikely until they run us into a deeper ditch than they did in 2008. After that happens, we need to abolish the Electoral College. The Senate alone is enough of a nod to the states. The Executive must be responsive to the majority of voters, not just an entrenched minority.

This probably will not happen soon enough to avoid another greed-fueled crash. The next crash will not have the resources available to bail out the entire banking system. BotanyBoy's dreaded socialism will likely come about as a matter of urgent necessity caused by the Republicans running us into the ditch again.

 

[KeithD]

Look at the stability of the numbers. The Republican minority you describe is getting more entrenched

The broad two-thirds strategy you describe is highly unlikely until they run us into a deeper ditch than they did in 2008. After that happens, we need to abolish the Electoral College. The Senate alone is enough of a nod to the states. The Executive must be responsive to the majority of voters, not just an entrenched minority.

This probably will not happen soon enough to avoid another greed-fueled crash. The next crash will not have the resources available to bail out the entire banking system. BotanyBoy's dreaded socialism will likely come about as a matter of urgent necessity caused by the Republicans running us into the ditch again.

I'm pretty sure I didn't indicate I thought it would happen. I phrased it as what would need to happen to get serious election reform established. However, I do think that the Republican minority is becoming more minority day by day and will continue to do so as Trump and friends every day in every way step on their cranks anew.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

If the popular vote were how we elected our President, the Democrat Party would break. Any Party that has majority control would break. There would be too many views and not enough windows.

 

[KeithD]

But of course there's a reason that the concept of every citizen being equal in voting strength gives Trumpettes like you the shits and prompts you to post as you have.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

But of course there's a reason that the concept of every citizen being equal in voting strength gives Trumpettes like you the shits and prompts you to post as you have.

Don't have the balls to quote me, even though you looked?

I looked at your statement, I just hit 'view' and I knew it would be something stupid since you posted under me, you one trick-pony.

"Trumpette! Trumpette!" What are you, a sheep? "Trumpette. They looked at me funny, Trumpette!"

Loser.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've said before, it doesn't have to be one way or the other. There can be a blend. Maintain the principle of the EC, but alter how it votes.

First, the Electors MUST be elected by the people, not the parties.

Second, add a weighting element of the national popular vote. The in state vote gets priority so the the sates have their state's rights as they should. But the national popular vote that goes to the other candidate(s) should be able to tip the balance. Exactly HOW those mathematics would work would need to be determined by others more into math than I am.

That would be called getting rid of the EC.

Why not just be honest like coati and admit you just want mob rule so that LA/NYC can overlord over the whole fucking country and tell everyone else how it's going to be from now on and fuck everyone else???

The Senate alone is enough of a nod to the states. The Executive must be responsive to the majority of voters, not just an entrenched minority.

The FF's and Constitution say otherwise.....good luck changing that, a balanced budget and fair tax amendments are considerably more likely to happen.

That would be DEVASTATING to the left, especially the fair tax part.

BotanyBoy's dreaded socialism will likely come about as a matter of urgent necessity caused by the Republicans running us into the ditch again.

Your USSSA fantasy will never....ever ever ever....be a necessity.

t Would be nice if there was a multi-party system, so there could be a bit nuance, instead of having to pick one or the other extreme. The need for coalitions makes that people with different interests listen to each other and work together as one country, because they need to. There wouldn't be a choice of either one or the other extreme, but the solution would be somewhere in the middle. Now, both parties are clearly falling apart; let those different parts each have their own right of existence, and give them their chances to prove themselves, independent from the others. Let them be flexible in choosing their alliances, every time again.

That only works though if there are some basic values everyone agrees upon....that's where we are falling apart.

The socialist faction of the DNC has shifted AWAY from US political values and become totally antithetical to everything the USA has ever stood for.

 

[Adre]

That only works though if there are some basic values everyone agrees upon....that's where we are falling apart.

The socialist faction of the DNC has shifted AWAY from US political values and become totally antithetical to everything the USA has ever stood for.

The same can and should be said of the far right and alt-right. Neither fringe is doing much to promote true Liberal values. You speak of Ds and Rs as two monoliths, which they certainly are not.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The same can and should be said of the far right and alt-right.

No it can't because the alt/fringe right doesn't make up 1/3-1/2 the GOP.

It's like 3 guys federally 2 of which are pretty closeted about it because they know they will get fucking dragged if they say too much and maybe a dozen or so critters at the state levels.

There aren't 70+ no shit open air Nazi's in the GOP supporting Nazi legislation in the house.

The ARE 70+ no shit open air, nationalize the economy socialist supporting Eco-communist loony toonz legislation in the house.

Neither fringe is doing much to promote true Liberal values.

100% agree...but only one fringe is becoming primary right now, only one fringe is fracturing a party at it's core values and it isn't the fringe right.

You speak of Ds and Rs as two monoliths, which they certainly are not.

And I'm pretty sure I just explicitly stated that they aren't and are breaking apart because of it.

That only works though if there are some basic values everyone agrees upon....that's where we are falling apart.

The socialist faction of the DNC has shifted AWAY from US political values and become totally antithetical to everything the USA has ever stood for.

 

[coati]

Your USSSA fantasy will never....ever ever ever....be a necessity.

You sound a lot like Herbert Hoover.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You sound a lot like Herbert Hoover.

If he said the same thing, he was proven right.

 

[coati]

If he said the same thing, he was proven right.

Hoover set the stage for Great Depression and FDR in a similar way that Trump is setting the stage. Republicans have been whining about Social Security and other FDR initiatives ever since.

Trump is catering to the most short-sighted of corporate interests, while suckering in some of the working class with his scapegoating tropes. History shows that there tends to be a reaction to that approach, especially when people have an opportunity to talk to each other in the bread lines.

An effective president needs to be president for the whole country, not just an entrenched minority base.