First Grade Teacher denounces Santa

[Goldie Munro]

Kids are a lot smarter than they're often given credit for. I don't think many over the age of five (maybe six or seven) actually completely believe in Father Christmas any more. They've kinda worked it out for themsleves by then, but play along with their parents, for their parents' sakes. I'm certain my eight year old does. She knows I buy all their gifts, then hide them away and wrap them up myself - has probably known this for years, but she plays along. She also talks her little sister up, egging her on about him coming on Christmas Eve and so on.

I often ask myself: Who's kidding who?

It doesn't matter, it's all part of Christmas.

Lou

Exactly!!

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Wonderful comments, all -

Sweet, you have a good handle on the situation, as I would expect of you. Of course you don't want to overreact but the teacher needs a strong message that she is overstepping her bounds.

While an email may be sufficient, I would probably pay her a visit in person with suggestions of how to handle similar situations in the future.

Ed

Thank you, Pirate Ed.

And you're right, of course. She is a caring professional and wouldn't purposefully cause harm. I have a feeling her own family deals with the holiday a bit differently than ours.

But we do need to let her know the situation from our end.

And - I do believe in Santa.

I do, I do, I do, I do, I do believe in Santa. http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/xmas/f045.gif

 

[TheEarl]

Without gettin sidetracked Joe, its your sisters decision to tell her children there is a god. If their first grade teacher tells them that is not true, it was none of her business no matter what her beliefs.

Maybe that puts it in perspective.

Lisa: Completely understand you, but what if the kid who asks the teacher come from a family where they believe that Father Christmas is a load of tripe and shouldn't be told to kids at all (Some people do think this)? If the teacher tells him "Yes, of course there is" then she'll get into just as much trouble.

It's like if the kid asks the teacher if there's a God, atheist parents wouldn't appreciate her telling the kid that there is.

She should've dodged it though, you're right.

The Earl

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

... what if the kid who asks the teacher come from a family where they believe that Father Christmas is a load of tripe and shouldn't be told to kids at all (Some people do think this)? If the teacher tells him "Yes, of course there is" then she'll get into just as much trouble. . .

This is precisely why religion should not be taught in public schools.

Also, that is why I suggested sidestepping the question and turning it into a noncompulsory assignment (which most would happily skip out of and not give a second thought to.)

 

[Edward Teach]

This is precisely why religion should not be taught in public schools.

Also, that is why I suggested sidestepping the question and turning it into a noncompulsory assignment (which most would happily skip out of and not give a second thought to.)

You were really my third grade teacher, weren't you.


Stup Dity

 

[Guest]

You were really my third grade teacher, weren't you.


Stup Dity

LOL!

Did ya get lots of swats for bein' naughty, Pirate Ed?

 

[Lisa Denton]

No, no... I understand the situation fine.

It just begs a number of interesting questions. At what point is a thing their responsibility or right to tell? Religious things, oh maybe not. Fairy tale things? Hmmm. False things? Likely.

Religious things maybe not? Fairy tale things questionable. False things likely. --- So we have athiest teachers teaching children there is no god, catholic teachers teaching athiest children there is a god. Parents lovingly telling thier little royal princess a bedtime story and the teacher telling her that her parents are liars because of it. False things like santa clause and the easter bunny regardless of what the parents want the teacher tells them its a fuckin lie. Now that the 6 year old mind is proberly in the mood lets go to 2 plus 2 equals 4, but oops, there ain't no time left. Lets all come back tomorrow and discuss whether halloween is for devil worshippers because this little 2 plus 2 thing is not really important in a school.


Your seeing the point Joe but not from the point of view, responsibility or right to tell? Are they gonna get into the stork thing and the teacher logs onto Literotica to responsibly teach them, kids need pictures too, the teacher has the reponsibility and right to tell them the truth. Maybe she can throw in 2 dildoes plus 2 dildoes equals an orgy but there probably won't be time.

Religious things, HELL FUCKIN NO!!!!!
Fairy tales and false things like santa claus, I cannot see the connection between that and 2 plus 2. So why the teacher is teaching "santa claus and other lies your parents tell" is beyond me and quite frankly, none of her business.

I'm not saying teachers should support ANYTHING they don't agree with, but "ask your parents what they think about that" is a saying that has been around awhile, its quick, simple, truthful and she could get back to 2 plus 2.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Kids are a lot smarter than they're often given credit for. I don't think many over the age of five (maybe six or seven) actually completely believe in Father Christmas any more. They've kinda worked it out for themsleves by then, but play along with their parents, for their parents' sakes. I'm certain my eight year old does. She knows I buy all their gifts, then hide them away and wrap them up myself - has probably known this for years, but she plays along. She also talks her little sister up, egging her on about him coming on Christmas Eve and so on.

I often ask myself: Who's kidding who?

It doesn't matter, it's all part of Christmas.

Lou

Yeah. From reading the responses in this thread, it's pretty obvious that believing in Santa Claus is a lot more important to adults than it is to kids.

--Zoot

 

[Lisa Denton]

Lisa: Completely understand you, but what if the kid who asks the teacher come from a family where they believe that Father Christmas is a load of tripe and shouldn't be told to kids at all (Some people do think this)? If the teacher tells him "Yes, of course there is" then she'll get into just as much trouble.

It's like if the kid asks the teacher if there's a God, atheist parents wouldn't appreciate her telling the kid that there is.

She should've dodged it though, you're right.

The Earl

Of course Earl, thats what I was just sayin to Joe "ask your parents what they think about that" and now lets get back to 2 plus 2 which is what I am supposed to teach.

 

[Goldie Munro]

Yeah. From reading the responses in this thread, it's pretty obvious that believing in Santa Claus is a lot more important to adults than it is to kids.

--Zoot

Of course or there wouldn't be a Santa Claus!!

 

[Evil Alpaca]

How exactly does one denounce Santa? Do you need a young priest and an old priest? Begone Saint Nick . . . and Dasher and Dancer and . . .

 

[Goldie Munro]

How exactly does one denounce Santa? Do you need a young priest and an old priest? Begone Saint Nick . . . and Dasher and Dancer and . . .

LOL begone Santa and all your followers!!!

 

[Edward Teach]

LOL!

Did ya get lots of swats for bein' naughty, Pirate Ed?

I guess that's why I so enjoy dishing them out now.


Eddie The Misbehaved

 

[Lisa Denton]

How exactly does one denounce Santa? Do you need a young priest and an old priest? Begone Saint Nick . . . and Dasher and Dancer and . . .

Lets sacrifice Rudolph to the gods, hahahahahhahahhahaha.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

Lets sacrifice Rudolph to the gods, hahahahahhahahhahaha.

For he has a nose that glows red, and red is the color of the Prince of Lies!

 

[Lisa Denton]

I AM YOUR FIRST GRADE HOMEROOM TEACHER MS. MOLLY BIGUNS, AND "SANTY CLAUS IS FUCKIN DEAD."


http://www.imageshosted.com/images/018933planesanta.jpg

 

[Goldie Munro]

For he has a nose that glows red, and red is the color of the Prince of Lies!

Get ye behind me you glowing red devil!

 

[Guest]

Yeah. From reading the responses in this thread, it's pretty obvious that believing in Santa Claus is a lot more important to adults than it is to kids.

--Zoot

Yep! It's very important to us, because it sometimes gets us out of holes...

Kids are whining on the lead-up the Christmas. Nothing is working, so us caring and loving parents say, "If you're not a good girl/boy Father Christmas won't be coming!"

We tell them not to speak to strangers, then threaten them with the fact that a complete stranger, dressed in black boots and red clothes (with whire fur trim), won't be coming to leave gifts for them.

It's a bit fucked up, when you seriously think about it, but that's us grown-ups for ya! We love to perpetuate myths.

Anyway, I think Father Christmas is a tetchy, miserable bastard.

Lou

 

[Goldie Munro]

My Great grandfather told me that his deformed finger (actually injured in a mining accident) was bend back by Santa Claus because he was not asleep when he came to deliver the presents - I was kinda terrified of Santa for years!!

 

[Guest]

My Great grandfather told me that his deformed finger (actually injured in a mining accident) was bend back by Santa Claus because he was not asleep when he came to deliver the presents - I was kinda terrified of Santa for years!!

He sounds like a very cool bloke.

 

[Edward Teach]

I AM YOUR FIRST GRADE HOMEROOM TEACHER MS. MOLLY BIGUNS, AND "SANTY CLAUS IS FUCKIN DEAD."


http://www.imageshosted.com/images/018933planesanta.jpg

You have a picture for everything, don't you. You Texas gals are sick.


Stup Dity

 

[Goldie Munro]

He sounds like a very cool bloke.

He was!!

 

[Belegon]

It has already been said, but I am still chiming in:

It is in no way, shape or form up to my childrens teachers to tell them anything about Santa or any other of my family's traditions.!!!!!

Just dodge the f%$#@*& question! Tell them to talk to me!!!!

I would never tell anyone else's children what to believe about such things. Not concerning Halloween, Easter, Passover, Kwanza, etc.

I will not defend the teacher on this! It was a mistake! Should she lose her job? Of course not. Should she be told "Don't ever fucking do that again?" HELL YES!!!!

 

[EmeraldKitten]

I canot believe that teacher! Lie to the kids for god's sake, LOL.

I was 12 when I stopped believing in Santa. 12! hehe.
My little sister was 8. I was crushed!

Kind of odd I stopped in on this thread~
Yesterday, there's a 12 year old girl that comes to the shop, and I've been cutting her hair.
I asked her if she was ready for Christmas and all that, and she goes, "Can I ask you something?"
I said sure.
She says, "Do you believe in Santa?"

My heart sunk. How was I going to handle this.... I sure as hell wasn't going to be the one to shatter the kid's belief.
"Of course I do!" Came out of my mouth before I could control myself, lol.
She went on to say that some of her friends didn't believe, so she was just wondering.

That's that borderline age. And I think that not believing in Santa any younger than that is sacreligious or some shit, lol.
In the world we live in, kids should hold tight to any magic they can, for as long as possible.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

I canot believe that teacher! Lie to the kids for god's sake, LOL....

But the teacher was right!

http://www.murderme.com/Photo%20albums/Pictures/Old%20MMP%20Pictures/Dead%20Santa.jpg

And . . . The truth is out there!

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