First They Came For The DSA.

Lazaran

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A decent read (a few years old but STILL timely & relevant) that pretty much sums up my feelings / views on the CURRENT leadership & agenda of the DSA:

https://newrepublic.com/article/176781/open-letter-why-leaving-democratic-socialists-america

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Four key paragraphs from the article👇:

In our judgment, a moment of truth has arrived. The events of the last weeks in Israel and Palestine, and the responses of national DSA and many of its local chapters, bring us to the painful conclusion that today’s DSA has driven itself beyond redemption. In a moment of crisis, it has been found entirely wanting in its dedication to the moral principles that are the foundation of democratic socialism. DSA’s leaders, who are the public face of the organization, lack the political and strategic acumen needed to navigate a perilous moment fraught with danger. The positions they have taken on behalf of the organization lack basic human empathy and solidarity.

In the face of the wanton slaughter of innocents by Hamas, the calculated and depraved cruelty of its premeditated murder and kidnapping of the defenseless, including children and the elderly, several DSA locals—including its flagship New York City chapter—and the DSA International Committee promoted cheerleading demonstrations in support of Hamas’s actions. (See here, here, and here.) Given the well-known history of the organizations with which the NYC local and the International Committee partnered, it was predictable that the NYCdemonstration would featurespeeches that callously mocked the victims of Hamas and provided a venue for open expressions of antisemitism.

As the political furor grew in response to its participation in these events celebrating unspeakable acts of murder and cruelty, DSA attempted inept damage control. The statements of the NYC DSA and national DSA did not provide a satisfactory moral clarity. To recount the inhumanity of the Israeli state toward Palestinians, as these statements did, but pass over the culpability of Hamas for the mass murder and kidnapping of innocent and defenseless Israelis, is unacceptable.

In its inability to distinguish between acts of resistance to unjust and oppressive rule and acts of terror against civilians, and in its confusion of authentic striving for national liberation with theocratic, fascistic crimes, DSA has shown that it has become completely unmoored from the moral and political foundations of democratic socialism.

This 👆 .

I do NOT see a lie.

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Read the entire article if you care to (or dare to). The DSA of TODAY is NOT the DSA of yesterday (ten years ago).

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Hope that ^ helps.

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We. Told. Them. So.

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so you can oppose the genocide, just dont say it out loud

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Maybe go back in time about 80 or so years and educate yourself about what ACTUAL “genocide” looks like / entails…

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Meanwhile:

You obviously did NOT read the article (or you are just another intransigent member of "the left" / “The He-Man Israel Haters Club”)

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We. Told. Them. So.

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For the record, I am in full support of the DSA and all they do to keep the Democratic party irrelevant. :)
 
Even MAGAts, like StAnn, know how harmful "The DSA" / "the left" is to the Democratic Party / pragmatic ACTUAL progressivism.

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Did you read the entire article in the OP???

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Yes, but that's beside the point. The point is, you're pointing at someone who would probably argue that in 2020 "Trump finished a strong second and Biden was next-to-last" and saying her opinion is relevant.
 
Yes, but that's beside the point. The point is, you're pointing at someone who would probably argue that in 2020 "Trump finished a strong second and Biden was next-to-last" and saying her opinion is relevant.

The "modern" / "new" / CURRENT DSA literally alienated THEIR OWN FORMER LEADERS / MEMBERS…

Let. That. ^ Sink. In.

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If the "modern" / "new" / CURRENT DSA can alienate THEIR OWN FORMER LEADERS / MEMBERS, then I suspect they are alienating a fuckton of other ACTUAL progessives (Democrats, Independents, and some reformed republicans).

Just sayin'…

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We. Told. Them. So.

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Even MAGAts, like StAnn, know how harmful "The DSA" / "the left" is to the Democratic Party / pragmatic ACTUAL progressivism.

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We. Told. Them. So.

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Yes, StAnn and other Lit MAGAts are the main allies you and BSG have on this forum for excusing Netanyahu's behavior.

The DSA is just one part of the momentum in the Democratic Party opposing Netanyahu's war crimes.
 
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Yes, StAnn and other Lit MAGAts are the main allies you and BSG have on this forum for excusing Netanyahu's behavior.

The NSA is just one part of the momentum in the Democratic Party opposing Netanyahu's war crimes.

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The NSA???

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Also:

Your farcical ascription is farcical…

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But at least you avoided the "GENOCIDE!!!" canard and moderated to the more defensible “war crimes” accusation…

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The "modern" / "new" / CURRENT DSA literally alienated THEIR OWN FORMER LEADERS / MEMBERS…

Let. That. ^ Sink. In.

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Maybe that's right, maybe not, but either way it's beside the point. The point is, citing the likes of Saint Ann as an arbiter of anything pertaining to progressives or the Dems' chances in the election is absurd. If the DSA - and the Democrats for that matter - did everything exactly right, it wouldn't command any respect from the MAGAts.
 
Maybe that's right, maybe not, but either way it's beside the point. The point is, citing the likes of Saint Ann as an arbiter of anything pertaining to progressives or the Dems' chances in the election is absurd. If the DSA - and the Democrats for that matter - did everything exactly right, it wouldn't command any respect from the MAGAts.
True but if I thought the DSA was good for the democratic party, I would have to say I supported it so you would think I didn't support it. Lol. :)
 
Maybe that's right, maybe not, but either way it's beside the point. The point is, citing the likes of Saint Ann as an arbiter of anything pertaining to progressives or the Dems' chances in the election is absurd. If the DSA - and the Democrats for that matter - did everything exactly right, it wouldn't command any respect from the MAGAts.

That was a throwaway post primarily meant to tweak StAnn and the other MAGAts…

But my main point stands. StAnn chiming in does NOT change anything…

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You're the only one who said it did (whether you meant to or not).

Hang your hat on that…

I’ll hang my hat on my MAIN point (and the revelations in the article I provided in my OP).

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if the us of a had a multi political parties system in there elections like most countries in the world

then dsa party would probley be one of the biggest us of a left wing political parties in the us of a during the 2020s era
 
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