For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

Did you get the part where DonOld basically said: “Yes, EUROPEAN COUNTRIES (the new NATO minus the U.S.???) should shoot down Russian jets” - but then follows that up by being the TACO in chief when it comes to what the U.S. is going to do about Russia???

Yep I sure did. Pitiful

 

[ShandyLeer]

Trump seems to have engineered - by accident or design - a bonus scheme for him/the US whereby tons of European cash is directed to US arms manufacturers to pushback against the guy in Moscow who’s embarrassing him.

And a secondary bonus to exploit the mineral wealth under ground the Ukranians might recover with said weapons.

It’s cynical but, if it works, I guess it doesn’t matter so much.

And, at least in the Presidents mind, this method of having Europeans fronting the economic,military and political burden of pushing back against the Bear gives him plausible deniability as he carries on trying to tempt the Russians away from China with his reverse Nixon move.

 

[Lazaran]

Trump seems to have engineered - by accident or design - a bonus scheme for him/the US whereby tons of European cash is directed to US arms manufacturers to pushback against the guy in Moscow who’s embarrassing him.

And a secondary bonus to exploit the mineral wealth under ground the Ukranians might recover with said weapons.

It’s cynical but, if it works, I guess it doesn’t matter so much.

And, at least in the Presidents mind, this method of having Europeans fronting the economic,military and political burden of pushing back against the Bear gives him plausible deniability as he carries on trying to tempt the Russians away from China with his reverse Nixon move.

DonOld’s "policy" (treason) involving Russia, DonOld’s extortion of Ukraine, and DonOld’s alienation of FORMER allies (yes, they ARE former allies) will ULTIMATELY yield an EXTREMELY negative outcome for the United States (and the world)..

Mark. My. Words.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ShandyLeer]

DonOld’s "policy" (treason) involving Russia, DonOld’s extortion of Ukraine, and DonOld’s alienation of FORMER allies (yes, they ARE former allies) will ULTIMATELY yield an EXTREMELY negative outcome for the United States (and the world)..

Mark. My. Words.



We. Told. Them. So.

The counter argument is that it’s only for 3 more years, then the God like Emperor routine is over and some sort of normality returns?

 

[ShandyLeer]

….and there’s another argument too.

Namely that Putin has been training all his life to be a 4d chess master.

Which is cool and a valuable asset if you’re a Russian leader out to outsmart a wise President with a capable cabinet.

But if your opponent isn't remotely interested in chess - and prefers sycophancy, colouring in books, crayons and trolling people - all the training in the world won’t help you predict this guys next move.

 

[Lazaran]

….and there’s another argument too.

Namely that Putin has been training all his life to be a 4d chess master.

Which is cool and a valuable asset if you’re a Russian leader out to outsmart a wise President with a capable cabinet.

But if your opponent isn't remotely interested in chess - and prefers sycophancy, colouring in books, crayons and trolling people - all the training in the world won’t help you predict this guys next move.

And if “this guy” is in Putin’s pocket (is Putin’s puppet)???



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Lazaran]

The counter argument is that it’s only for 3 more years, then the God like Emperor routine is over and some sort of normality returns?

You really believe the U.S. can come back from this??? At least to where it was under President Biden???



I don’t…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ShandyLeer]

You really believe the U.S. can come back from this??? At least to where it was under President Biden???



I don’t…



We. Told. Them. So.

Of course it fucking can. And quick.

It’s a personality cult after all, and their aren’t more Donald Trumps.

And the glue that holds MAGA together is the hijacking’s of left of centre politics by cultural tyrants rattling on endlessly about trans, white privilege, de funding police, cancelling people and micro aggressions - all whilst people can’t pay the bleedin’ rent.

Biden oversaw this, and opened the borders to boot.

 

[ShandyLeer]

And if “this guy” is in Putin’s pocket (is Putin’s puppet)???



We. Told. Them. So.

Well it’d fuck things right up.

All the more reason to have been a little smarter in deciding who opposed him for the big job, and how.

The lazy overconfidence that led to him seeing off not just one, but 2, Democratic rivals last time round ought to be a lesson, but it likely won’t be.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Another post on the Tuapse attack with lots of footage

Good assessment too. Watching the drones coming in and hitting is something else! Ukraine bringing the war home to the Russians big time

Also covers the simultaneous attack on the port of Novorossiysk

Russia has suffered a devastating attack on the ports of Tuapse and Novorossiysk when Ukrainian naval and air drones attacked the port facilities. In Tuapse the entire oil loading platform suffered devastating hits from several Magura drone impacts, knocking out the vital pier and it's ability to extend a cash life-line to the ailing Russian government. In Novorossiysk several Ukrainian drones were shot down, landing in the streets below and causing the large outbreaks of fires. Russian Refineries in Astrakhan and Salavat have also been put under by Ukrainian drone attacks, with repairs expected to last for months on end. The Russian government is enraged with the United States after the President's comments yesterday, with Medvedev attempting to save face for his failing nation. The Russians also stated clearly today that they have no intent of ending the war, showing they had led the US on for months with the hope they may end the war.

 

[ChloeTzang]

MASSIVE BLOWS INSIDE RUSSIA: NOVOROSSIYSK SALAVAT TUAPSE​

2 Billion barrel export capacity taken down by the strike on Tuapse and Novorossiysk.
This is a huge hit on Russia and the Russian economy

 

[Lazaran]

Of course it fucking can. And quick.

It’s a personality cult after all, and their aren’t more Donald Trumps.

And the glue that holds MAGA together is the hijacking’s of left of centre politics by cultural tyrants rattling on endlessly about trans, white privilege, de funding police, cancelling people and micro aggressions - all whilst people can’t pay the bleedin’ rent.

Biden oversaw this, and opened the borders to boot.

Question(s):

Which side started the culture wars???

Which side suffered the worst from the culture wars???

Answer(s):

It was the racists, the fascists, the "moral" majority, and the LITERAL gay bashers, etc ("the right") who started the culture wars. And it was racial & sexual minorities ("the left"???) who rose to defend themselves with support from freedom & human rights supporting allies in the white and Cis (straight) community.( And I’m straight, so my take is NOT coming from a place of personal bias).



And, sorry, but I’m white AND I was a member of law enforcement (forensic psyche) for masaaaany years, so I can tell you with some authority that white privilege (systemic / institutional/ societal racism) DID / DOES exist - AND that the ACTUAL goal of "DEFUND THE POLICE!!!" was NOT to eliminate policing (as the MAGAts would have you believe), but to dedicate MOAR funding for community services (mental health, education, access to healthy foods choices, job training, crime PREEMPTION efforts, etc). And, yes, community services MAY have cut into some police budgets, but there should be offsets in reduced crime and more stable communities from enhanced funding for expanded community social programs



Also:

President Biden did NOT “open the border to boot”.

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. President Biden followed the LAW and attempted to manage the immigration fiasco that DonOld left him (from Title 42, to the Afghan refugees (etc), to migrant labor issues, to DACA) , and President Biden DID achieve some equilibrium in the area of immigration by the end of his term (DONOLD TRUMP & THE MAGAT REPUBLICANS ALSO SABOTAGED PRESIDENT BIDEN’S EFFORTS TO DO MORE ON IMMIGRATION THROUGH THE VERY CONSERVATIVE BIPARTISAN IMMIGRATION & BORDER SECURITY BILL).



Hope ALL of that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Rapid Change of Tone from Trump and the Trump Administration

Wall St Journal says Zelensky has informed Trump of the coming Ukrainian Offensive, explaining his change of tone

 

[ChloeTzang]

Zelensky hacked Trump's brain....

 

[Lazaran]

Well it’d fuck things right up.

All the more reason to have been a little smarter in deciding who opposed him for the big job, and how.

The lazy overconfidence that led to him seeing off not just one, but 2, Democratic rivals last time round ought to be a lesson, but it likely won’t be.

Secretary Clinton was a fine (exceptional, really) candidate.

President Biden WON.

Vice President Harris was a fine candidate (exceptional, really).

It was “the economy, stupid” (and misogyny in the case of Secretary Clinton - and misogyny AND racism in the case of Vice President Harris).

It was also a low education/ low information electorate.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

UKRAINE TODAY is pretty excited

 

[ShandyLeer]

Secretary Clinton was a fine (exceptional, really) candidate.

President Biden WON.

Vice President Harris was a fine candidate (exceptional, really).

It was “the economy, stupid” (and misogyny in the case of Secretary Clinton - misogyny AND racism in the case of Vice President Harris).

It was also a low education/ low information electorate.



We. Told. Them. So.

Secretary Clinton, ‘fine’ as you insist, was perceived as aiding and abetting her husbands more controversial habits.

If you can find anything quite so misogynistic, and cynical, as that then well done you. But you won’t - instead you’ll deny, re direct and whatabout as usual.

Whatever her capabilities she was one of a short list of candidates who Trump might beat………but picked out of self righteous indulgence anyway and a defeat walked into.

You were adamant that Biden was fit as a fucking fiddle when the entire Party hierarchy, and the vast majority of this “low education” electorate, could see he was electoral toast whether they liked him or not.

And then immediately got onboard with anointing a replacement whose cv screamed “leaves people cold” - and another defeat grabbed from the jaws of victory.

This ‘we.told.them.so’ bollocks that you force on everyone simultaneously indicates you

A/ don’t know or care how much of a hectoring, lecturing pain in the arse you are


B/ are such a self regarding narcissistic you can’t possibly pause, have a think and recognise you’ve been less than on the money with your nonsense

and

C/ are buried in your weird silo every bit as much as any MAGA devotee you care to name.

 

[Lazaran]

Secretary Clinton, ‘fine’ as you insist, was perceived as aiding and abetting her husbands more controversial habits.

If you can find anything quite so misogynistic, and cynical, as that then well done you. But you won’t - instead you’ll deny, re direct and whatabout as usual.

Whatever her capabilities she was one of a short list of candidates who Trump might beat………but picked out of self righteous indulgence anyway and a defeat walked into.

You were adamant that Biden was fit as a fucking fiddle when the entire Party hierarchy, and the vast majority of this “low education” electorate, could see he was electoral toast whether they liked him or not.

And then immediately got onboard with anointing a replacement whose cv screamed “leaves people cold” - and another defeat grabbed from the jaws of victory.

This ‘we.told.them.so’ bollocks that you force on everyone simultaneously indicates you

A/ don’t know or care how much of a hectoring, lecturing pain in the arse you are


B/ are such a self regarding narcissistic you can’t possibly pause, have a think and recognise you’ve been less than on the money with your nonsense

and

C/ are buried in your weird silo every bit as much as any MAGA devotee you care to name.

Listen up, fuckwit: you’re not even American, and you have ZERO fucking clue what you’re babbling about.

It WAS “the economy, stupid”…and misogyny…and racism and misogyny…and a low education / low information electorate that gave us DonOld - twice.

And just because Democrats rallied behind President Biden when HE decided to run again does NOT equate to blind / unquestioning support / loyalty. See: Democrats demanding a change after that debate where President Biden clearly stumbled.

Meanwhile: MAGAt republicans tolerated / tolerate ANYTHING from the rapey, racist, fascist, misogynistic, bigoted, corrupt orange traitor…

But, sure, Democrats lost because of the quality of their candidate(s)…



GMAMFB
GTFOH
FOAD
TIA


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[ShandyLeer]

Listen up, fuckwit: you’re not even American, and you have ZERO fucking clue what you’re babbling about.

It WAS “the economy, stupid”…and misogyny…and racism and misogyny…and a low education / low information electorate that gave us DonOld - twice.

And just because Democrats rallied behind President Biden when HE decided to run again does NOT equate to blind / unquestioning support / loyalty. See: Democrats demanding a change after that debate where President Biden clearly stumbled.

Meanwhile: MAGAt republicans tolerated / tolerate ANYTHING from the rapey, racist, fascist, misogynistic, bigoted, corrupt orange traitor…

But, sure, Democrats lost because of the quality of their candidate(s)…



GMAMFB
GTFOH
FOAD
TIA


We. Told. Them. So

Your worry isn’t MAGA republicans who won’t vote if it’s not for Trump.

It’s the people who keep voting for Trumpism over the alternative they’re being offered, even though they have reservations about him personally.

Why do they keep doing that ?

Because of people like you, and attitudes like yours.

 

[Lazaran]

Your worry isn’t MAGA republicans who won’t vote if it’s not for Trump.

It’s the people who keep voting for Trumpism over the alternative they’re being offered, even though they have reservations about him personally.

Why do they keep doing that ?

Because of people like you, and attitudes like yours.

Once again I have laid things out in progressively finer / clearer detail, and STILL you refuse to or are unable to grasp the truth.

IT. WAS. THE. ECONOMY. STUPID. (first and foremost), and misogyny…and racism & misogyny…and a low education/ low information electorate; FULL STOP.

/exchange



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[ChloeTzang]

Can we take the Biden - Trump squabble to some other thread

 

[ShandyLeer]

Can we take the Biden - Trump squabble to some other thread

Yes, sorry. Out of order.

In other news 16/20 a10 Warthogs are on the way to Europe for some reason

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[ChloeTzang]

In other news 16/20 a10 Warthogs are on the way to Europe for some reason

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I saw that. An interesting move

 

[Lazaran]

Can we take the Biden - Trump squabble to some other thread

Chloe, you ignorant slut…



CHLOE has injected President Biden into the discussion on NUMEROUS occasions - including being the one who injected President Biden into the discussion MOST RECENTLY:

Yup


To be unbiased here, Biden did far less than he could have too.

Disappointing all round

That ^ led to the subsequent exchange involving President Biden (receipts are a bitch).



Hope that ^ helps.



Chloe, you ignorant slut



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukrainian strikes on Crimea / Be12 amphibians taken out

Ukraine has dealt a series of crushing blows to Russian forces in Crimea. On September 21, a precision strike hit the Foros Sanatorium, where high-ranking Russian officials were reportedly present. Just one day later, on September 22, Ukrainian drones destroyed two rare Be-12 amphibious aircraft and a Mi-8 helicopter at Kacha Air Base, further eroding Russia’s air capabilities. Russia had 6 operation Be12's left, so that's a third of them gone. That's another big hit on Russia's operational capabilities around Crimea.

The strikes continued into September 25, when Ukrainian forces destroyed two An-26 transport planes and multiple radar systems, crippling both logistics and early warning defenses. At the same time, Crimea faces a severe fuel crisis, with gasoline disappearing from stations across the peninsula and reports of shortages spreading to Rostov, Ryazan, and other regions. Russia’s war machine in Crimea is under mounting pressure.