Free Martha

[CharleyH]

Catch me if you can!

I think someone did -

 

[Guest]

The Dominatrix of Decoupage

Very good, Lucky. I can easily see her as a domme. Ouchee!

P.

 

[minsue]

Ack!Don't make me dig out my busines law text book. I know that's whre it is, but I also know it's in th ebasement somewhere in my boxes of books

-Colly

I'm still working on it. I won't call upon you to dig quite yet.

- Mindy, off again to resolve the search warrant question

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Nickname for Martha? How about "lamb chop"?

 

[CharleyH]

Very good, Lucky. I can easily see her as a domme. Ouchee!

P.

MARTHA? LOL - she is defined by paper mache and flowers . . .PULEASE . . . dom (purposeful spelling, no semiotics required). L:ets see, lets see . . .

NOPE . . .can't quite come up with anything as good as you two. DAMN!

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I think someone did -

No, he hasn't caught me, he just likes to run next to me.

 

[CharleyH]

No, he hasn't caught me, he just likes to run next to me.

LOL - I was referring to Perdita on this thread, but ok . . .lol . . .

 

[kellycummings]

Box is correct, unless you were able to prove the drugs or gun were linked to the homocide you couldn't prosecute, the evidence would be inadmissible.

The man's admission that she helped obstruct an investigation is not what I am asking. What I am asking is how she can be guilty of obstruction of justice if prosecutors failed to prove a crime occured? It is true that just because they can't prove it dosen't mean a crime didn't happen, but it is equally true that just because they alledge it dosen't mean one did. Unless presumption of innocence dosen't go in SEC investigations should't it be incumbant upon prosecutors to prove there was a crime before they can charge someone with obstruction of justice?

-Colly

But they did prove a crime occurred and the man pleaded guilty to it. She obstucted the investigation into that crime. There is no question that a fraud crime occurred. It's not about the charge that they dropped, it's about a charge against someone else that was proven already.

 

[Guest]

Souffle

To lighten the more legal discussions:

"Readers have confessed that until her legal troubles began, Martha made them feel inadequate. But wasn't that the point? Martha was supposed to make you feel inadequate. Who would have been interested in emulating her if she hadn't had a potager, tastefully decorated country properties (Skylands, Turkey Hill), elaborate recipes for fruitcake, hints on using an electric drill to carve a pumpkin and a line of paints whose colors she selected after being inspired by the blue and green shades of the eggs laid by her flock of araucana chickens?"

full article

 

[kellycummings]

Re: Souffle

To lighten the more legal discussions:

"Readers have confessed that until her legal troubles began, Martha made them feel inadequate. But wasn't that the point? Martha was supposed to make you feel inadequate. Who would have been interested in emulating her if she hadn't had a potager, tastefully decorated country properties (Skylands, Turkey Hill), elaborate recipes for fruitcake, hints on using an electric drill to carve a pumpkin and a line of paints whose colors she selected after being inspired by the blue and green shades of the eggs laid by her flock of araucana chickens?"

full article

I saw a piece on her on 60 minutes once a few years ago. She did come off as perfect and better than others. Maybe that is just her personality and, like you said, maybe that was the point. Everything from waking up at 4am to her herb garden to her homemade everything made me feel like I was doing less than I should. I don't have anything against her but like I said, I don't really care for her either. I can understand why others would not like her.

 

[minsue]

I give. The only Gonzales V State of California I could find involved a school bus accident. I can't find the case I referenced, either, because there are a shitload of US V Gray cases out there. I'm just going to eat my chocolates, drink my coffee, and give up on this pursuit.

Martha Stewart would have found the case law and decoupaged it to a nice platter by now to be used to serve her appellate lawyers hors d'oeuvres.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

But they did prove a crime occurred and the man pleaded guilty to it. She obstucted the investigation into that crime. There is no question that a fraud crime occurred. It's not about the charge that they dropped, it's about a charge against someone else that was proven already.

I have not paid this case any attention as it really wasn't important to me. As I understand it both Martha and her broker pleaded innocent. The only person who has pled guilty tomy knowledge is the owner of IMclone.

The investigation into his wrong doing did not touch the MS investigation. The charge of obstruction was in reguards to the SEC's investigation into her possible wrongdoing, an investigation in which they proved not one thing.

If I am incorrect please feel free to correct me. I admit that I have given the case only cursory atention.

-Colly

 

[kellycummings]

I have not paid this case any attention as it really wasn't important to me. As I understand it both Martha and her broker pleaded innocent. The only person who has pled guilty tomy knowledge is the owner of IMclone.

The investigation into his wrong doing did not touch the MS investigation. The charge of obstruction was in reguards to the SEC's investigation into her possible wrongdoing, an investigation in which they proved not one thing.

If I am incorrect please feel free to correct me. I admit that I have given the case only cursory atention.

-Colly

When Martha lied to the investigators it was obstructing the entire investigation which was at the time directed at the head of Imclone, the broker and her. By pleading guilty, Waksal confirmed that a crime had been comitted and Martha was guilty of lying to cover it up. The charge against her was for what they think was her role in it. The lying and obstruction were for trying to cover it up. Since a crime was comitted, it doesn't matter whether she did it or not, she still lied to cover.

 

[Edward Teach]

I haven't followed the MS case either and don't know the exact charges against her but I do know that it is against the law to lie to the FBI.

I've never understood how that could be constitutional, but I guess it is.

Ed

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Here you go Min, From the ACLU's page:

Contrary to petitioner's view, however, Leon did not adopt an omnibus "good faith" exception to the exclusionary rule. The exception approved in Leon "modified somewhat," 468 U.S. at 905, the traditional rule that law enforcement agencies are not permitted to exploit the fruits of unconstitutional conduct. Leon and its companion case, Massachusetts v. Sheppard, 468 981 (1984), sanctioned the use of evidence obtained pursuant to illegal conduct in limited circumstances, namely, where police officers have utilized the warrant process -- the constitutionally preferred mode of procedure for governmental searches and seizures. The reasoning and result in Leon did not reflect myopic support for an all-embracing "good faith" exception. Rather, as Justice O'Connor has described, Leon relied upon a "tradition of judicial independence," Illinois v. Krull, 480 U.S. 340, 365 (1987)(dissenting opinion), to carve a narrow exception to the exclusionary rule when police officers follow the warrant process contemplated by the Fourth Amendment and this Court's cases. In this case, no judicial procedures, or even independent police judgment, were invoked as a legal basis for respondent's arrest.

The "good faith" exception you were thinking of was applied very narrowly in this case. I have never heard of this case, but apparently in some situations the courts have held that evidence gained unconstituionally is admisible.

-Colly

 

[minsue]

Doh!

Thank you for humoring the crazy lady, Colly! Do you think they'll revoke my ACLU card for not thinking to check there?? http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/verwirrt/2230.gif

 

[shereads]

You may scoff all you like, irreverent ones, but once Martha On Line is no more, who will provide information tidbits like this one?

Carpet Ghosts
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To remove indentations left by furniture in pile carpet, place ice cubes on the divots. The fibers will swell as they absorb the water. Vacuum carpet thoroughly to pull up wet fibers.

Notice picturesque arrangement of not only the ice cubes, but the divots:


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[shereads]

Botanical Easter Eggs

1. With a tiny paintbrush, apply egg white to the back of a leaf or sprig; use tweezers to center it on the egg, and press down gently with your fingers.

2. Cut a nylon stocking into 5-inch tubes. Stretch open one side of a tube, carefully wrapping it over the leaf to hold it in place, then pull remainder around the egg (to the side opposite the leaf). Tie with string...

I've changed my mind.

Fry the bitch.

 

[SlickTony]

That hint about the carpet divots has been around for years; I'm almost sure I read it in Heloise or one of the books of household hints people gave me as presents for my first wedding. Not that I necessarily fault Martha for passing it off as an original idea of hers; the household arts are folk arts. I have contributed to a church cookbook recipes that orginally came to me courtesy of my mother, Justin Wilson, Jeff Smith, Jude Theriot and God knows who all else.

 

[Guest]

Goodness gracious! Plagiarism of housekeeping techniques, what next! I will have to read her instructions on 'how to fold a sheet' and see if it is a bit too similar to the way my mother taught me.

Perdita

 

[shereads]

That hint about the carpet divots has been around for years; I'm almost sure I read it in Heloise or one of the books of household hints people gave me as presents for my first wedding. Not that I necessarily fault Martha for passing it off as an original idea of hers; the household arts are folk arts.

Oh, I don't think Martha claims to have had the idea, any more than she invented origami, or chickens that lay eggs in colors. But Heloise never presented it in an elegant photo layout with neutral colors and ice cubes that aren't "cubes" at all, but in fact lovely ovals, like expensive soap. Which is why, no matter if we use any of her ideas or not, ordinary persons can never quite get it "right."

We just end up on our knees with cold hands and melting ice cubes; Martha's ice ovals appear near the perfectly dented carpet as if by magic. There's no persperation involved.

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Thought some of you Martha haters might appreciate this.

 

[kellycummings]

Thought some of you Martha haters might appreciate this.

That's the funniest one I've seen so far. I saw a few that I got in my email that were sort of lame.

 

[minsue]

Thought some of you Martha haters might appreciate this.

http://www.emotipad.com/liteemoticons/ROTFLMAO.gif

I love 'How to Make StrapOns From Tampons'!

 

[lucky-E-leven]

That's the funniest one I've seen so far. I saw a few that I got in my email that were sort of lame.

Never imagined I'd see a blonde muff diving on the Ice Queen, but there it is. ~giggles~

~lucky