Gay vs. Bi Relations

[MichelleWhoIs]

I agree with everything you said (and said very well, BTW) except for the part about the L & G's not wanting TG's intruding into their fight for equality. You are only partially correct there.

You are so right about being partially correct. I know deep in my heart of hearts that there are others, like yourself, that look at the fight as one for all and not just the few. Unfortunately for me, I made that last statement (last post) after talking to someone that I thought was a close friend. It was several statements that she made about my gender and sexual preference that soured me for a bit.

Thank you for reminding me that others out there don't think along the same lines. Your statement

The rest of us DO care and we DO believe that unless it is equality for everyone in LGBTQI+, then it's not true equality. Until sexual preference and orientation is taken completely out of the HUMAN rights equation that we need to raise as much hell as possible.

, brought me back to my senses.

 

[vrosej10]

I didn't come out for years because my father, who was gay, didn't believe in bi. He though everyone was either gay or straight. You couldn't be bi, you had to be an undecided gay person. I am bi. Clearly bi. I am about equally attracted to men and women...

 

[Safe_Bet]

You are so right about being partially correct. I know deep in my heart of hearts that there are others, like yourself, that look at the fight as one for all and not just the few. Unfortunately for me, I made that last statement (last post) after talking to someone that I thought was a close friend. It was several statements that she made about my gender and sexual preference that soured me for a bit.
Thank you for reminding me that others out there don't think along the same lines. Your statement , brought me back to my senses.

A Bi dude I know recently blogged the following statement. I don't think I've ever read anything more concise and true...

"Love is like obscenity or pornography in a way - hard to define, but you know it when you see it, eh? We all might express love slightly differently but behind it all..."

P.S. Hugs and let me know if you want me to kick that person's ass for you! I might be short, but I'm mean!

 

[MichelleWhoIs]

A Bi dude I know recently blogged the following statement. I don't think I've ever read anything more concise and true...


Sounds like he has the right idea about how life really is!

P.S. Hugs and let me know if you want me to kick that person's ass for you! I might be short, but I'm mean!

Thanks for the offer and I know exactly what you mean when talking about good things come in small packages...LOL

 

[vrosej10]

I don't know why we spend time hating on each other when we have bigger fish to fry; straighty (just joking) but seriously your average gay or bi person has enough trouble with other peoples prejudices without having to deal with internal sniping.

 

[MichelleWhoIs]

seriously your average gay or bi person has enough trouble with other peoples prejudices without having to deal with internal sniping.

You got that really right. If we all just put aside our differences maybe a line of productive communication could be established

 

[Wolfman1982]

But seriously your average gay or bi person has enough trouble with other peoples prejudices without having to deal with internal sniping.

I totally agree with you. My next post will probably be longer , because I need to read the 5 pages before my next post. And here is a before warning. There will perhaps be some foul language and what not but mostly only about myself cursing at myself.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Damn, this thread is just made before my birthday and it does not make any sense other than some person is trying to get some positive karma of being a bitch in one instance, and trying to a sweetheart in another. When actually I was the one some time before this thread was made , who ranted in the GLBT daily vibe about: That this is the GLBT chatter and NOT the GL vs. BT chatter. And the person who is the reason why I ranted is the person who has made this thread.

But I am not saying I am the first person who has thought along those lines.
I am just stating my side of things in this matter cause long before S_B became a member here. I began feeling, that something was cooking, and it did not smell good in the GLBT chatter area. So S_B is not the reason this hostility has come around, she is just some of the hostile forces, but at the same time S_B is probably one of the best forces against male chauvinistic pigs , so my hat off to her when it comes to that. But as many has said, when we have so much in common with each other across sexualities. Why is IT we still go after each others throat across gender lines instead ? and as I have said to others, even to S_B, if I ever saw any one being beaten because of their sexuality : I would, if I was near them, protect them. Because we should NOT judge people because of their sexuality, but their behaviour. Something even Jesus of Nazareth said in the story about the good Samaritan. Do to others what you want them to do you, which is a rewritten version of Confucius sentence "do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you". But both sentences makes sense. Cause the two "do nots" in the Chinese sentence annuls each other , so you have JC´s saying/proverb if you prefer.

And I hope this goes through all the clutter, that this is the GLBT chatter ( right now we are in the GLBT news section, but nevermind that right now). And NOT the GL vs. BT chatter. Peace to all, even to S_B.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Damn, this thread is just made before my birthday and it does not make any sense other than some person is trying to get some positive karma of being a bitch in one instance, and trying to a sweetheart in another. When actually I was the one some time before this thread was made , who ranted in the GLBT daily vibe about: That this is the GLBT chatter and NOT the GL vs. BT chatter. And the person who is the reason why I ranted is the person who has made this thread.

But I am not saying I am the first person who has thought along those lines.
I am just stating my side of things in this matter cause long before S_B became a member here. I began feeling, that something was cooking, and it did not smell good in the GLBT chatter area. So S_B is not the reason this hostility has come around, she is just some of the hostile forces, but at the same time S_B is probably one of the best forces against male chauvinistic pigs , so my hat off to her when it comes to that. But as many has said, when we have so much in common with each other across sexualities. Why is IT we still go after each others throat across gender lines instead ? and as I have said to others, even to S_B, if I ever saw any one being beaten because of their sexuality : I would, if I was near them, protect them. Because we should NOT judge people because of their sexuality, but their behaviour. Something even Jesus of Nazareth said in the story about the good Samaritan. Do to others what you want them to do you, which is a rewritten version of Confucius sentence "do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you". But both sentences makes sense. Cause the two "do nots" in the Chinese sentence annuls each other , so you have JC´s saying/proverb if you prefer.

And I hope this goes through all the clutter, that this is the GLBT chatter ( right now we are in the GLBT news section, but nevermind that right now). And NOT the GL vs. BT chatter. Peace to all, even to S_B.

Happy birthday, Wolfman!

Signed,

The bitch!

 

[Ike_The_Spike]

Let me start off with, I'm a bi male. A closeted one at that, there are several reasons for that not the least of which are the views society in general has about bi men. It is annoying as hell to have people saying that women can be bi and men can't, or that there is no such thing as bi, or that bi men are just gross. (Yep, I've heard that one before.) Other factors include the fact that I was long married before I was finally honest with myself about who and what I'm attracted to.

There have been several good points and some that seemed to be almost there. I'd quote but there are so many I'll just wing it. I look at the Gay and Lesbian negative views towards Bisexuality to be something similar to a couple of race related incidents I saw. One was when I was in the service, a Black guy was talking about playing ice hockey (he grew up in Detroit so to me it made sense). Another Black guy said, you aren't all Black are you? WTF! The other incident was in college. A young woman wanted to join the Black student group and was told that she wasn't 'Black enough.' Another WTF! I can see the issue with Bisexuality being similar in that you aren't 'Gay enough.' Probably a bit of an over simplification but it is what it is.

As for the equal rights issue, I don't see marriage as a 'right' in the way that some others do. I see marriage as being completely a religious creation and that it should stay there. The government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage, only civil unions. There are churches out there that are more than willing to allow same sex marriage, and even poly-marriage and that should be cool. No government should have any say in marriage, only 'unions' of a purely non-religious nature. That could diffuse the whole situation as each church would perform marriages according to their own doctrine, as it should be in my humble opinion. How's that for separation of church and state?

I do find some behavior to be completely self-destructive when it comes to achieving equality though. Terms like 'straighty' or 'breeder' are easily as derogatory as fag or dyke. Is it really going to encourage anyone to accept all of the differences humanity has to offer if hate is met with hate?