Golden Dome missile defense shield?!

[ll74]

If we do it isn't Qanon.

Pay attention to the forum, idiot. Nobody is accusing you of qanon horseshit.

 

[RobDownSouth]

If we do it isn't Qanon.

Perhaps not, but I'm sure that the two of you can find some common ground to bond over your mutual fascination with conspiracy theories.

 

[Rightguide]

In the Reagan years, the Strategic Defense Initiative turned out to be a stupid expensive boondoggle -- they never could come up with anything that would have stopped a Soviet missile.

What has changed since then, that Trump wants to try the same concept again?

The idea had merit but the technology wasn't quite there to affect a credible defense. Things are different now. We have a fairly credible air defense technology available. It's only a matter of numbers and production. In the case of the East Coast, a minimum of 4–6 Aegis cruisers could provide basic coverage, while 8–10 ships would offer redundant and robust defense. However, a combination of ships, land-based defenses, and aircraft would be the most effective approach for securing the entire U.S. East Coast against air and missile threats. We would need 3 to 4 such ships to cover the West Coast. The problem is we only have nine such cruisers in service so we would have to build and employ land-based Aegis systems instead for a permanent solution until new technology is introduced.

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

In the Reagan years, the Strategic Defense Initiative turned out to be a stupid expensive boondoggle --

These media sources have a slight to moderate progressive/liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor progressive/liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation

Translation/ mostly fake news

Idiot

“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

 

[Rightguide]

Pay attention to the forum, idiot. Nobody is accusing you of qanon horseshit.

None of your mindless shit speaks to the subject of the thread either.

 

[ll74]

None of your mindless shit speaks to the subject of the thread either.

The reason qanon is being mentioned is because a qanon right winger has been posting it.

Get a fucking clue

 

[KingDJT]

None of your mindless shit speaks to the subject of the thread either.

Cry cry cry whine whine whine! And to think, it's only a month into his administration! Maybe we should go in and start investing in mental institutions! Can you imagine the $$ we could make? Put one up on every corner where there was once a federal building!

 

[Rightguide]

Perhaps not, but I'm sure that the two of you can find some common ground to bond over your mutual fascination with conspiracy theories.

Like what? You just spent four years lying, conspiring, and gaslighting America about a host of manufactured crimes falsely attributed to Donald Trump. Please give us a break.

 

[Rightguide]

The reason qanon is being mentioned is because a qanon right winger has been posting it.

Get a fucking clue

I can pass gas in more profound ways than you can speak, write, or think.

 

[Bray123]

Like what? You just spent four years lying, conspiring, and gaslighting America about a host of manufactured crimes falsely attributed to Donald Trump. Please give us a break.

They were hardly manufactured, nor falsely attributed.

They were broadcast around the world.

 

[ll74]

I can pass gas in more profound ways than you can speak, write, or think.

You ignoring what someone else is posting has nothing to do with your prose or appearance of sophistication,, fuckhead.

 

[Rightguide]

You ignoring what someone else is posting has nothing to do with your prose or appearance of sophistication,, fuckhead.

What have you posted that addresses the thread subject?

 

[ll74]

What have you posted that addresses the thread subject?

I don't give a fuck about the thread subject.

You chimed in about qanon being a leftwing thing. I told you that you were wrong based on the forum posters.


JFC you're an idiot

 

[KingDJT]

As the conspiracies turn into FACTS, the communist leftists lose their minds! This is going to get more fun as every day passes! Buckle up Buttercups,this will be the ride of a LIFETME, something you have never witnessed

 

[Rightguide]

I don't give a fuck about the thread subject.

You chimed in about qanon being a leftwing thing. I told you that you were wrong based on the forum posters.


JFC you're an idiot

Show me a list of conservatives here who believe in Qanon.

 

[Rightguide]

I don't give a fuck about the thread subject.

Why are you so angry? Did your safe space get gentrified?

 

[ll74]

Show me a list of conservatives here who believe in Qanon.

I have you the one who has been posting it here.

No left wing person has mentioned it until he showed up.

 

[ll74]

Why are you so angry? Did your safe space get gentrified?

Because you're literally a fucking idiot and can't seem to grasp why qanon is even being mentioned

 

[Rightguide]

Because you're literally a fucking idiot and can't seem to grasp why qanon is even being mentioned

You can't even prove it exists in the first place. Being a figment of your imagination isn't credible proof.

 

[ll74]

You can't even prove it exists in the first place. Being a figment of your imagination isn't credible proof.

You're in the same thread where someone is screenshotting it......yet you continue to be a fucking idiot

 

[UltraChad]

Show me a list of conservatives here who believe in Qanon.

BUT HASSAN PIKER AND VAUSH TOLD HIM SO!!!

 

[LLCox]

When will it be renamed from Iron Dome to the Trumpshield

 

[RobDownSouth]

The idea had merit but the technology wasn't quite there to affect a credible defense. Things are different now. We have a fairly credible air defense technology available. It's only a matter of numbers and production. In the case of the East Coast, a minimum of 4–6 Aegis cruisers could provide basic coverage, while 8–10 ships would offer redundant and robust defense. However, a combination of ships, land-based defenses, and aircraft would be the most effective approach for securing the entire U.S. East Coast against air and missile threats. We would need 3 to 4 such ships to cover the West Coast. The problem is we only have nine such cruisers in service so we would have to build and employ land-based Aegis systems instead for a permanent solution until new technology is introduced.

Your analysis would have been spot-on as recently as five or six years ago.
Unfortunately, time marches on.

The Chinese have introduced (and successfully test-fired) hypersonic missiles, which fly too fast for Aegis BMD systems to kill. This gives China a marked advantage in attack capabilities for the next few years as the United States plays 'catch up'. In the interim, all current aircraft carriers are sitting ducks, and if Top Gun movies taught us anything, lack of air superiority is a prescription for suicide. (Come to think of it, if the Navy had concentrated on missile technology instead of making naval fighters cooler and sexier, we wouldn't be in this predicament....but hai, 20/20 hindsight).

Aegis BMD tracking systems were at least upgraded so that the Navy can actually now 'see' hypersonic missiles before the missile kills them, but it will take a fundamental change in naval weaponry to successfully stop a hypersonic missile (a powerful but relatively inflexible missile to target the "ascent' phase of the hypersonic missile and a much more nimble manueverable payload killer to attack the lethal 'glide bomb' that actually delivers the Chinese payload.

 

[Rightguide]

Your analysis would have been spot-on as recently as five or six years ago.
Unfortunately, time marches on.

The Chinese have introduced (and successfully test-fired) hypersonic missiles, which fly too fast for Aegis BMD systems to kill. This gives China a marked advantage in attack capabilities for the next few years as the United States plays 'catch up'. In the interim, all current aircraft carriers are sitting ducks, and if Top Gun movies taught us anything, lack of air superiority is a prescription for suicide. (Come to think of it, if the Navy had concentrated on missile technology instead of making naval fighters cooler and sexier, we wouldn't be in this predicament....but hai, 20/20 hindsight).

Aegis BMD tracking systems were at least upgraded so that the Navy can actually now 'see' hypersonic missiles before the missile kills them, but it will take a fundamental change in naval weaponry to successfully stop a hypersonic missile (a powerful but relatively inflexible missile to target the "ascent' phase of the hypersonic missile and a much more nimble manueverable payload killer to attack the lethal 'glide bomb' that actually delivers the Chinese payload.

I did not say the available technology was optimum. At present it's the best we have against theoretical threats. We have tested and will deploy hypersonic platforms as well, one is scheduled to deploy this year. We should remember that all ICBM warheads in the terminal delivery phase are hypersonic and have been from the beginning. Presently, I have less faith in the superiority of any Chinese weapons technology but it is wise to plan as if it were.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I did not say the available technology was optimum. At present it's the best we have against theoretical threats. We have tested and will deploy hypersonic platforms as well, one is scheduled to deploy this year. We should remember that all ICBM warheads in the terminal delivery phase are hypersonic and have been from the beginning. Presently, I have less faith in the superiority of any Chinese weapons technology but it is wise to plan as if it were.

• ICBMs are yuge missiles and leave such a distinct footprint on launch that they are easier to track. They are typically launched from hardened missile silos, so fixed locations are easier to track.
• The Chinese Dongfeng-17 MRBM (medium range ballistic missile) is small enough to mount on the back of a truck and can be fired from just about anywhere.

There is an enormous difference between the two systems vis-a-vis range, payload and target. ICBM are designed to take out cities from a long range. MRBMs are designed to take out the biggest naval vessels from medium range.