good idea?

[hashtag45]

That makes sense, indeed.
But as to "someone grab your ass on a bus, someone trying to take a photo up your skirt or inviting you to give them a BJ..."

Wtf? Do such things happen at such an alarmingly high rate in the US or UK?
If so, what the hell is going on over there?

Because I basically never came across such things.
At home there were cases of frotteurism in crowded buses (eek but hard to make your case that the guy was doing it on purpose as opposed to being due to overcrowding) or exposing themselves in parks. But almost never what you guys are describing.
As to Australia and mainly New Zealand: there's such a culture of respect for women over here, they even consider staring to be of bad taste.

 

[stickygirl]

Well there you go - we agreed hssh!

Not everyday to every person, but everyday to someone...

Staring? Staring is an invitation to a fight in most bars

 

[L0GIC]

I gather that contracts for construction sites now often include a ban on cat-calling etc. It's bad PR when little women can afford to buy houses too.

A complete stranger in the street who makes a "nice tits" comment as he draws level can never be brought to account: you just shrug, think 'wanker' and keep walking but it's not as though that's a rare event

Upworthy "While the policy is not perfect (the language of the hate crime clause is somewhat vague), it's still a step forward because it teaches officers to recognize subtle signs of harassment.
Some examples include "unwanted or uninvited sexual advances, unwanted or uninvited physical or verbal contact or engagement ... and use of mobile devices to send unwanted or uninvited messages or take photographs without consent or permission."

So that would cover having someone grab your ass on a bus, someone trying to take a photo up your skirt or inviting you to give them a BJ... not exactly the stuff of courtship. So if guys feel so hard done by that they can't throw abuse at women, thinking they are doing them a huge favour for even noticing them, then cry me a fucking river.

This doesn't trivialise more serious crimes, as though the extra recording of hate crimes somehow dilutes their importance. What it does is put in law something that kids ought to be brought up with: that you respect other people. I was taught to respect adults, stand to one side for women and elderly people - you know, being decent? It seems too many people aren't brought up that way - so society has to pick up where parents failed.

This really isn't something in which men have a say, I'm afraid - that's the point. Here's a quote from a woman in Nottingham
“Yesterday I felt ten feet taller walking around this city. I literally felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders. It was amazing because I know that many men who might normally want to shout or whistle will have read about this and they will have to stop and reflect.”

I agree that cat calling should be harrassment. However, this notion that men have no say is complete grade-A 100% bullshit and also against freedom of speech. I have a right to think it's harassment, but I'm not going to censor those who don't. And if they disagree with me, I don't tell them that they "have no say."

How about this... The next time a strange woman asks me to buy her a drink, I call the fucking police? That's harassment.

This goes back to the thought that women can't rape men when they sure as hell can. If I wake up with a manatee in my bed, I was drugged or not sober enough to give consent.

Now, if all of this sounds like it contradicts itself, that's because it does. I'm okay to have a meaningful and thoughtful conversation about this, but when women say "Men have no say," that's when it's complete bullshit.

And women wonder why the divorce rate is at it's peak and the marriage rate has completely bombed! Women are at their least happiest in decades.

 

[dolf]

so much amusing paranoia.

 

[stickygirl]

I agree that cat calling should be harrassment. However, this notion that men have no say is complete grade-A 100% bullshit and also against freedom of speech. I have a right to think it's harassment, but I'm not going to censor those who don't. And if they disagree with me, I don't tell them that they "have no say."

How about this... The next time a strange woman asks me to buy her a drink, I call the fucking police? That's harassment.

This goes back to the thought that women can't rape men when they sure as hell can. If I wake up with a manatee in my bed, I was drugged or not sober enough to give consent.

Now, if all of this sounds like it contradicts itself, that's because it does. I'm okay to have a meaningful and thoughtful conversation about this, but when women say "Men have no say," that's when it's complete bullshit.

And women wonder why the divorce rate is at it's peak and the marriage rate has completely bombed! Women are at their least happiest in decades.

Absolutely if a unknown woman grabs your ass - that's harassment ( if you feel it is ) but I based what I said on real world occurrences rather than a 'not all men' hypothetical situation. Yes, it was a generalisation - that much is surely obvious given the context, but just because I generalised doesn't mean the crimes don't exist. Sure men have a say it in it - since they're the ones doing it... so they could stop, couldn't they?

Anyone offering to buy you a drink?? Read the facts, don't deflect.
Men can't be raped? Sorry, different argument.
Freedom of speech? You've spoken. Point proven
Divorce? and this is relevant to street harassment, how?

I'm glad we agree on cat-calling being a crime: lets go with that and don't let the flawed logic of our presentations obscure what is important.

so much amusing paranoia.

Paranoia will be along shortly Right now, we're just doing miffed

 

[dolf]

''don't be surprised if nobody wants to put a ring on your finger, stop you from having fun, and expect you to wash their skiddy undercrackers and listen to them snore for the rest of your fucking life! you've got nobody but yourself to blame!!''

I might cry.

 

[thør]

''don't be surprised if nobody wants to put a ring on your finger, stop you from having fun, and expect you to wash their skiddy undercrackers and listen to them snore for the rest of your fucking life! you've got nobody but yourself to blame!!''

I might cry.

Really?

 

[dolf]

Really?

living in sin is where it's at.

 

[thør]

living in sin is where it's at.

I don't have an issue with that.

 

[hashtag45]

That's how I met my second wife.

I bet.

I agree that cat calling should be harrassment. However, this notion that men have no say is complete grade-A 100% bullshit and also against freedom of speech.

How about this... The next time a strange woman asks me to buy her a drink, I call the fucking police? That's harassment.
This goes back to the thought that women can't rape men when they sure as hell can. If I wake up with a manatee in my bed, I was drugged or not sober enough to give consent.

Now, if all of this sounds like it contradicts itself, that's because it does. I'm okay to have a meaningful and thoughtful conversation about this, but when women say "Men have no say," that's when it's complete bullshit.
And women wonder why the divorce rate is at it's peak and the marriage rate has completely bombed! Women are at their least happiest in decades.

so much amusing paranoia.

Haha funny indeed.

 

[removed9556]

 

[L0GIC]

Absolutely if a unknown woman grabs your ass - that's harassment ( if you feel it is ) but I based what I said on real world occurrences rather than a 'not all men' hypothetical situation. Yes, it was a generalisation - that much is surely obvious given the context, but just because I generalised doesn't mean the crimes don't exist. Sure men have a say it in it - since they're the ones doing it... so they could stop, couldn't they?

Anyone offering to buy you a drink?? Read the facts, don't deflect.
Men can't be raped? Sorry, different argument.
Freedom of speech? You've spoken. Point proven
Divorce? and this is relevant to street harassment, how?

I'm glad we agree on cat-calling being a crime: lets go with that and don't let the flawed logic of our presentations obscure what is important.

Don't deflect? You said "men have no say." I was never arguing that cat calling shouldn't be a crime. However, then we have to get into the details of what cat calling is. If men have no say, that is BULLSHIT. That's my argument.

Where do we draw the line? Grabbing asses, saying she has nice boobs, whistling, asking multiple times if she wants something, pressing her despite her mixed signals? The romance game is as grey as it gets when it comes to real life situations. Hell, there are many women who think men should make the first move and they also like to play hard to get. So, which is it? Do we just take "no" at face value and look like pussies?

Unlike rape, "no" does not mean "no" when it comes to flirting. It does for me. If a bitch says no, I just leave. Fuck her. She's stupid.

The other points were examples of the slippery slope of "men have no say," which is a logical fallacy. When DO men have a say?

Tell you what, you create a world where women stop being stupid about romance, and I'll create a world where men will stop catcalling and pressuring women. It's such a stupid double standard, and that goes for all of relationship concepts. Women have advantages in the court system, both criminal and divorce courts. Women are favored to gain custody of children. Women have the 100% say in an abortion despite being 50% responsible for the fucking.

REGARDLESS, it's not my problem. I don't deal with women. I don't talk to 'em, I don't fuck 'em, I don't like 'em, and I DEFINITELY don't sign contractual agreements that dictate the rest of my life (marriage) with 'em. Years and years of seeing disastrous situations where men get shafted makes me think, "Yeah, I'm going to jack off to porn, make my money, and spend my money." Nobody else will ever spend my money, ever. And I'm happy with that.

 

[Darbhinder]

Cover them titties up and don't draw attention to them. Problem solved.

 

[Darbhinder]

Absolutely if a unknown woman grabs your ass - that's harassment ( if you feel it is ) but I based what I said on real world occurrences rather than a 'not all men' hypothetical situation. Yes, it was a generalisation - that much is surely obvious given the context, but just because I generalised doesn't mean the crimes don't exist. Sure men have a say it in it - since they're the ones doing it... so they could stop, couldn't they?

Anyone offering to buy you a drink?? Read the facts, don't deflect.
Men can't be raped? Sorry, different argument.
Freedom of speech? You've spoken. Point proven
Divorce? and this is relevant to street harassment, how?

I'm glad we agree on cat-calling being a crime: lets go with that and don't let the flawed logic of our presentations obscure what is important.


Paranoia will be along shortly Right now, we're just doing miffed

Catcalling is not and should not be treated as a crime no matter what women (not males dressed as women) have to say about it. Sticks and stones and all that bullshit.

 

[hashtag45]

REGARDLESS, it's not my problem. I don't deal with women. I don't talk to 'em, I don't fuck 'em, I don't like 'em, and I DEFINITELY don't sign contractual agreements that dictate the rest of my life (marriage) with 'em. Years and years of seeing disastrous situations where men get shafted makes me think, "Yeah, I'm going to jack off to porn, make my money, and spend my money." Nobody else will ever spend my money, ever. And I'm happy with that.

Marry me. I'm easy going.

 

[removed9556]

 

[hashtag45]

lol….

 

[dolf]

A woman who says no to you is stupid? Hmmmmm... I'm in some doubt about that one...

 

[removed9556]

 

[Aphro]

I'm trying to figure out how catcalling in the street equals some sort of mating ritual. Where, in any reality, does a cry of "Nice ass, baby!" as the guy grabs his genitals pass as the first overture of romance? Is this an American thing?

 

[eyerami]

This thread is a gas...

Started by a female-to-male tranny, and then hijacked by a male-to-female tranny who pontificates that men have no say in the matter - while a dick still swings flaccidly between his legs.

Surfriggin'real...

 

[JohnnySavage]

I don't mean to change the subject, but I'm bored of the current one...


I've been reading about Fred West all afternoon.

 

[thør]

I've been reading about Fred West all afternoon.

He and Rosie made a lovely couple.

 

[L0GIC]

Yes. You sound delighted.

You put the emphasis on the wrong words. Out of content, that isn't even close to what I said.

 

[L0GIC]

A woman who says no to you is stupid? Hmmmmm... I'm in some doubt about that one...

You misrepresented what I said. I said that in a way in which it is processed as "She's stupid." It's a way of coping with a rejection. I don't literally mean that she's stupid.