Government

[jaF0]

And send the spilled jerkwads that refer to themselves in the third party to some other planet.

 

[oggbashan]

Rant coming.

In the United States "Government" is not some inanimate object or natural phenomenon like a rock, or a tree or the sun. Government is you. It is us. Not a force of nature or a natural law. I am so fucking sick of statements about "the government" as if any shitty thing you think about the US's government or institutions is anything but a reflection on you and on us.

It is a completely different story for those backward ass cultures that have a tyrant, or a dictator or an oligarch or a Queen. Or places where they cannot trust their elections to reflect the will of the people.

I object to the reference to a Queen. Her Majesty is our Head of State but she has no power. Our Monarch's haven't had power since 1688 even if 'The King's Party' attempted a power grab at the time of the American Revolution and we all know how that ended.

We have a free and fair electoral system. It is different and unlike the US we do not have a President with separate executive powers.

But, like many US citizens, we like moaning about our governments. We can say what we like about our government without fear of arrest. We do not have political prisoners unlike many countries.

So fuck your government, and mine too.

 

[bellisarius]

I object to the reference to a Queen. Her Majesty is our Head of State but she has no power. Our Monarch's haven't had power since 1688 even if 'The King's Party' attempted a power grab at the time of the American Revolution and we all know how that ended.

We have a free and fair electoral system. It is different and unlike the US we do not have a President with separate executive powers.

But, like many US citizens, we like moaning about our governments. We can say what we like about our government without fear of arrest. We do not have political prisoners unlike many countries.

So fuck your government, and mine too.

Ogg, as near as I can tell your government and ours, along with more than a few others, are essentially the same in operation. Our governments are primarily made up of nameless, faceless, unelected, and unaccountable bureaucrats. If it weren't for the circus called the budget process and times of war the government would be as close to a perpetual motion machine as you might imagine and no elected officials would be needed at all.

Bureaucracies are well understood and go back at least as fat as the ancient Sumerians. And I believe that they are ultimately the reason for the collapse of governments when they become overly burdensome.

And we lay the ground work for it. And in this respect I give you Brits the credit, the credit for coming up with "delegated legislation." This is where congress, or in your case parliament, passes a framework legislation and the bureaucrats are left to fill in the details. A politicians dream come true it is. If it works they get to take credit for it and it it turns out to be a nightmare they get to say, "well, we certainly didn't intend it that way" thereby absolving themselves as contributory to the mess they created.

More than a few people on the street over here believe that when Trump refers to
the swamp" he's referring to the politicians............he's not. He's referring to the overburden of the bureaucracy. A bureaucracy that produces overly complex and often conflicting policy and law.

 

[oggbashan]

Ogg, as near as I can tell your government and ours, along with more than a few others, are essentially the same in operation. Our governments are primarily made up of nameless, faceless, unelected, and unaccountable bureaucrats. If it weren't for the circus called the budget process and times of war the government would be as close to a perpetual motion machine as you might imagine and no elected officials would be needed at all.

Bureaucracies are well understood and go back at least as fat as the ancient Sumerians. And I believe that they are ultimately the reason for the collapse of governments when they become overly burdensome.

And we lay the ground work for it. And in this respect I give you Brits the credit, the credit for coming up with "delegated legislation." This is where congress, or in your case parliament, passes a framework legislation and the bureaucrats are left to fill in the details. A politicians dream come true it is. If it works they get to take credit for it and it it turns out to be a nightmare they get to say, "well, we certainly didn't intend it that way" thereby absolving themselves as contributory to the mess they created.

More than a few people on the street over here believe that when Trump refers to
the swamp" he's referring to the politicians............he's not. He's referring to the overburden of the bureaucracy. A bureaucracy that produces overly complex and often conflicting policy and law.

The size of the UK's bureaucracy has shrunk considerably in my lifetime. Civil Service (government) jobs are NOT for life in the UK. Departments can be abolished or their responsibilities transferred to commercial contracts. The staff can be transferred to the contractor, or made redundant.

We have drained 'the swamp' so much that some activities are almost impossible to do.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Rant coming.

In the United States "Government" is not some inanimate object or natural phenomenon like a rock, or a tree or the sun. Government is you. It is us. Not a force of nature or a natural law. I am so fucking sick of statements about "the government" as if any shitty thing you think about the US's government or institutions is anything but a reflection on you and on us.

It is a completely different story for those backward ass cultures that have a tyrant, or a dictator or an oligarch or a Queen. Or places where they cannot trust their elections to reflect the will of the people.

Most of the time, it is the bureaucracy being referenced, an institution full of petty tyrants and political operatives who personally get to pick winners and losers without repercussion. They have rules to protect themselves for bing fired and they have no fear of the elected officials and their associated Kabuki theater who are supposed to have oversight over them; they routinely lie to them. The bureaucracy knows it will survive anything as limited as the Congressional or Executive branches of government. It is Leviathan unto itself...

 

[oggbashan]

Most of the time, it is the bureaucracy being referenced, an institution full of petty tyrants and political operatives who personally get to pick winners and losers without repercussion. They have rules to protect themselves for bing fired and they have no fear of the elected officials and their associated Kabuki theater who are supposed to have oversight over them; they routinely lie to them. The bureaucracy knows it will survive anything as limited as the Congressional or Executive branches of government. It is Leviathan unto itself...

Which perfectly describes the European Union administration too.

 

[navytime09]

I don't adopt rescue animals either. Clean up your own fucking mess. That's something you progs will never understand.

But not with an abortion. Gotta protect those who can't protect themselves.

The anti-abortion argument is about one thing. Punishment for having sex!

 

[BotanyBoy]

double post....

 

[BotanyBoy]

But not with an abortion. Gotta protect those who can't protect themselves.

The anti-abortion argument is about one thing. Punishment for having sex!

No...it's about accepting responsibility for IRRESPONSIBLE sex and then not being able to make a decision about what to do about it for MONTHS.

For a LOT of people infanticide is NOT an acceptable option for dodging personal responsibility.

Now if you think killing babies because they are inconvenient is a good way for people who decide they don't want their babies anymore to dodge that responsibility, that's cool.

But let's not make up bullshit about those who don't.

 

[nowisthetime]

But not with an abortion. Gotta protect those who can't protect themselves.

The anti-abortion argument is about one thing. Punishment for having sex!

Then the Deplorables bitch about unwanted kids sapping up welfare.

 

[oggbashan]

No...it's about accepting responsibility for IRRESPONSIBLE sex and then not being able to make a decision about what to do about it for MONTHS.

For a LOT of people infanticide is NOT an acceptable option for dodging personal responsibility.

Now if you think killing babies because they are inconvenient is a good way for people who decide they don't want their babies anymore to dodge that responsibility, that's cool.

But let's not make up bullshit about those who don't.

How do you teach people to be responsible about sex?

 

[Matt12191982]

Although Trump is a crappy person, he's been trying to pull our troops, and all of a sudden, the "liberals" are pro-war? I saw both political parties also pull complete 180s on trade and other things. I don't think most know, or believe.

 

[BotanyBoy]

How do you teach people to be responsible about sex?

Last I checked it was called "parenting".

 

[oggbashan]

Last I checked it was called "parenting".

And if the parents didn't know, and that's how they became parents?

 

[HisArpy]

And if the parents didn't know, and that's how they became parents?

Try teaching them "adulting" instead.

 

[Hal9000_]

Effective government through social media?

 

[oggbashan]

Try teaching them "adulting" instead.

And what about funding to teach parents?

Or funding for contraception awareness?

 

[BotanyBoy]

And if the parents didn't know, and that's how they became parents?

If they are so fucking stupid and or WILLFULLY ignorant that they don't know what's causing the babies to happen??

Despite public education and dozens of non-profit organizations/charities out there promoting safe sex next to the MANY contraception options including the wildly successful morning after pill and early term abortions??

Then fuck em.

Again, at what point do we hold people, and not society, not an innocent person, not everything and everyone except the individual who made a bad call, responsible for their own choices?

And what about funding to teach parents?

Or funding for contraception awareness?

Already part of public education and supported by numerous private organizations/charities/non-profit providers.

The excuses as to why people are not at ALL in any way whatsoever responsible for their decisions/behavior are running really fucking thin.....

 

[cowslinger64]

Try teaching them "adulting" instead.

Lol... hisderpy and botanydummy giving advice on parenting and being responsible.


If either of you could actually get laid, you might have something to offer other than a lack of knowledge on yet another subject.

Who would fuck this?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QualifiedDeadIbisbill-small.gif

 

[Salacious_B_Crumb]

The anti-abortion argument is about one thing. Punishment for having sex!

Yeah no.

 

[Salacious_B_Crumb]

How do you teach people to be responsible about sex?

They been trying for a long time and nobody has figured it out yet. Raging hormones gonna win every time.

 

[bellisarius]

And what about funding to teach parents?

Or funding for contraception awareness?

The dirty little secret is that a lot of teen girls get pregnant on purpose, not out of ignorance. They see it as a passport out of the house and government freebies, not a life of poverty (and that's where the ignorance kicks in).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lol... hisderpy and botanydummy giving advice on parenting and being responsible.


If either of you could actually get laid, you might have something to offer other than a lack of knowledge on yet another subject.

Who would fuck this?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QualifiedDeadIbisbill-small.gif

Oh look Shitslinger can't refute anything, how shocking!!

The broken record continues.

Not only are your insults never above the 5th grade level you only ever come up with new ones every several months or so.

 

[bellisarius]

The size of the UK's bureaucracy has shrunk considerably in my lifetime. Civil Service (government) jobs are NOT for life in the UK. Departments can be abolished or their responsibilities transferred to commercial contracts. The staff can be transferred to the contractor, or made redundant.

We have drained 'the swamp' so much that some activities are almost impossible to do.

Kudo's to you Ogg. I wish we could say the same.

Our federal employee numbers hover just over 2 million. Up approx. 100K since 2009. And these numbers are stale in that apparently the OPM (Office of Personnel Management) can't keep up, the latest is 2016. Those numbers do not include Postal employee's, the military, or contractors. Throw those in and the number is just under 5 million.

 

[phrodeau]

The dirty little secret is that a lot of teen girls get pregnant on purpose, not out of ignorance. They see it as a passport out of the house and government freebies, not a life of poverty (and that's where the ignorance kicks in).

Your mom?