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What is interesting about the map, US wise is that it correlates with areas that have a lot of guns being in favor of less restrictions and areas with being in favor of more restrictions.
One of the perverse contortions that modern interpretation of the US constitution has led to is the idea that the US government can tell a state or locality what restrictions the can or cannot put on their citizens. It only precludes the US government from infringing on our right to keep and bear arms. Most states have similar clauses in their constitutions, but absent that a state or locale can restrict such rights and often did.
The incorporation doctrine is faulty reasoning. It only applies to the specific amendment that was incorporated to the several states, not for every right or amendment.
What, DC? I shouldn't wonder, given their crime rate.
You think hunters don't torture? Hunters torture.
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You don't get to call anyone stupid while confusing "there" and "their".
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I bet they can use *their correctly, dummy.
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What a dumb statement.
Own it. What, you think animals like getting shot, or always die instantly?
Fishermen also torture. "That meek inflictor of pangs intolerable."
And I'm no vegetarian.
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Better call a war crimes tribunal. Every person ever shot in war was "tortured" was he?
Most animals die before the sound of the shot even reaches them. Torture implies intent. Not every hunted animal dies without suffering but that is the intent. Shot placement is careful because you want the animal to drop, not get full of adrenaline.
Most animals die before the sound of the shot even reaches them. Torture implies intent. Not every hunted animal dies without suffering but that is the intent. Shot placement is careful because you want the animal to drop, not get full of adrenaline.
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Wow, before you pass judgement on hunters, I think you had better go visit a meat packing plant. How else do you think that meat ends up on those nice little plastic wrapped trays?
By a carefully regulated and humane process of slaughtering. Domestic animals don't suffer when they die, they suffer while they live, via factory farming, veal-fattening pens, pregnant-sow cages, etc.
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And that makes it better or worse?
While I can agree that factory farming isn't the best method of raising food animals, the method of slaughter is still the same. Whether that is captive bolt or a .22 between the eyes. Dead is dead and it is just as fast either way. The idea is to put the animal down as quickly as possible. So far, in all the years I've been doing my own cows (2 a year, pasture raised) they are down the second I shoot them.
Same goes for hunting. When I was still actively participating, I never took a shot that I wasn't 100% certain would not put the animal down on the spot. A properly placed 7x57 or .308 is pretty much going to assure that you put the animal down almost before they hear the report.
So, please explain how any of that is "torture".
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Ever hunt birds?
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No that was my dad's thing.. I could hit clays well enough and went pheasant hunting once or twice, but shotgun was never really my bag.
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"Humane process of slaughtering???"
Cattle herded into a chute where they cannot back up and get to see the steer ahead of them hit in the head with a bolt gun and finished off with a hammer if that doesn't do it? The stench of death in the air?
How about we line up a bunch of idiotic, liberal lawyers and execute you with a humane bolt gun one after the other?
Or would you rather have your chicken head shoved through a collar, your feet attached to a moving chain then have your head ripped off?
"Carefully regulated" is lawyer speak for someone, somewhere who has never dealt with a subject wrote something down somewhere.
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This is 1/2 way on the 45 mile drive to Walmart. Cattle pretty have their choice of where to wander along that entire route. Which of the cattle do you reckon is suffering the most at the moment?
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