Gun control & Trump's wall

[TalkRadio]

If you believe gun control will stop gun violence, then you must also believe Trump's wall will stop illegal immigration.

 

[TalkRadio]

Just when we thought you couldn't post anything dumber...

Hello, Slinger. Or is it Wrong Element?

There will be no new gun legislation, no wall & no comprehensive immigration reform.

 

[TalkRadio]

And they must also believe nobody does any illegal drugs, either.

Hello, Rob. How many alts do you have?

On an annual basis, how many people purchase illegal drugs?

What illegal drugs are purchased?

What's the dollar value of the illegal drugs purchased?

Why are people addicted to illegal drugs?

 

[TalkRadio]

Just when we thought you couldn't post anything dumber...

By the way, thanks for taking the bait.

 

[Hypoxia]

By the way, thanks for taking the bait.

You're a real master baiter.

Even without live bait..

 

[TalkRadio]

You're a real master baiter.

Even without live bait..

How long until Dribble makes an appearance?

 

[phrodeau]

If you believe gun control will stop gun violence, then you must also believe Trump's wall will stop illegal immigration.

A wall will at best slow down illegal immigration. Even Trump admits that ("maybe a rope").

There is no hope to ever stop gun violence. Even if there was a loaded gun within easy reach of every single American, that wouldn't stop gun violence. But there is a hope to reduce gun violence, and especially mass shootings, by sensible means.

 

[TalkRadio]

Wrong on all 3 points.
3 strikes.You're out.

Do the baseball bat drag to the dugout, grab some pine and your glove, and get ready to take the field, slugger.

Keep thinking those happy thoughts, Rob.

New gun control laws, the wall & comprehensive immigration reform will never happen because the politicians in Washington lack the political will to get 'em done.

 

[Liar]

If you believe gun control will stop gun violence, then you must also believe Trump's wall will stop illegal immigration.

So you don't believe Trump's wall will stop illegal immigration?

 

[TalkRadio]

So you don't believe Trump's wall will stop illegal immigration?

Trump won't stop the gun violence, build his wall to stop illegal immigration or sign-off on any comprehensive immigration program because McConnell & Ryan are spineless, gutless cowards, Schumer is a slimy, sleazy weasel & Pelosi is a whacked-out, pathological liar.

 

[FGB]

If you believe gun control will stop gun violence, then you must also believe Trump's wall will stop illegal immigration.

On the Gun Control...it could use a little tweaking.

On the wall it only needs to slow illegal immigration down to a manageable level.

 

[Rightguide]

On the Gun Control...it could use a little tweaking.

On the wall it only needs to slow illegal immigration down to a manageable level.

Black and Hispanic males between the ages and of 15 and 25 are responsible for over 90% of the gun violence in the United States. That said, I would support raising the age for gun purchases for all citizens to somewhere between 21 and 25. As an aside, the voting age doesn't necessarily denote maturity for all things other than voting, for instance one cannot be President unless one has reached the age of 35. Maybe it's time to require a bit more maturity when it comes to gun purchases as well. This doesn't mean youth cannot shoot or handle firearms under proper lawful supervision. Unfortunately there is little defense from temporary insanity.

 

[FGB]

Black and Hispanic males between the ages and of 15 and 25 are responsible for over 90% of the gun violence in the United States. That said, I would support raising the age for gun purchases for all citizens to somewhere between 21 and 25. As an aside, the voting age doesn't necessarily denote maturity for all things other than voting, for instance one cannot be President unless one has reached the age of 35. Maybe it's time to require a bit more maturity when it comes to gun purchases as well. This doesn't mean youth cannot shoot or handle firearms under proper lawful supervision. Unfortunately there is little defense from temporary insanity.

How many of those people you are talking about above bought a firearm legally?

Very few. If you are going to do a crime only a fucking idiot would go and legally buy a gun. They either steal one or be at the right place when the man drops in with his merchandise.

I was at a house once when Three different gun dealers dropped by selling dozens and dozens of hot guns...yes, I wiped my prints off!

Was doing a little research and I knew some Guys who knew Guys...

 

[Rightguide]

How many of those people you are talking about above bought a firearm legally?

Probably very few but I was speaking to the larger issue of gun violence generally. I realize this case is different and far more rare than the common gun crime.

Liberals like Morning Joe and his unbalanced wife, Mika, like to point to 30,000 gun deaths annually in the United states but that includes about 22,000 suicides, leaving 8000 or so actual gun crimes, roughly 350 of which were committed by any kind of rifle.

 

[FGB]

I listen to talk of Assault Rifles,High Powered Rifles, High Powered handguns,ect.

and the whole AR15 bullshit. ( the tens of millions of semi automatic rifles in this country that are NOT " Assault Rifles")

And I try and figure out how these people arrived at their level of ignorance.

Who is feeding them this crap?

WELL... it starts as soon as kids are able to watch Television, even before indoctrination in schools. They are told what to think...How to think that way and punished in some form if they do not comply. And from first grade through well
wherever their "Education" finishes, The consequences for non conformance increases and continues in the workplace.
Then Social media shows up on the stage...

So Political correctness in inserted along the way. Disagreement with the almost established reality is immediate and far reaching.

It reminds me of the Abilene paradox in Business...

So I find it difficult to blame most people for not have a real understanding of the problem and the multi part solutions to the problems of mass killings...non terrorist.
.

 

[Hypoxia]

On the Gun Control...it could use a little tweaking.

Firearms 'control', as in banning and widespread confiscation, is impossible in USA. Carrying in public CAN be managed -- if desired. Enforce the constitution's "well-regulated militia" mandate. Don't tolerate rogues.

On the wall it only needs to slow illegal immigration down to a manageable level.

What's the count of people smuggled in by coyotes vs those arriving legally and overstaying their visas? How good is tunnel-detection technology? How expensive are border agents to bribe?

I was going to ask, if all privately-held firearms in USA were confiscated and melted down, how big a wall would they make? But it's really not many hundreds of tons of metal. Only a small wall there. How about confiscating all motor vehicles that don't meet pollution standards or are rusting in junkyards? Melt those down -- could the District of Columbia be walled with that mass? Make it thick and tall, to keep the political vermin inside.

 

[FGB]

Firearms 'control', as in banning and widespread confiscation, is impossible in USA. Carrying in public CAN be managed -- if desired. Enforce the constitution's "well-regulated militia" mandate. Don't tolerate rogues.

What's the count of people smuggled in by coyotes vs those arriving legally and overstaying their visas? How good is tunnel-detection technology? How expensive are border agents to bribe?

I was going to ask, if all privately-held firearms in USA were confiscated and melted down, how big a wall would they make? But it's really not many hundreds of tons of metal. Only a small wall there. How about confiscating all motor vehicles that don't meet pollution standards or are rusting in junkyards? Melt those down -- could the District of Columbia be walled with that mass? Make it thick and tall, to keep the political vermin inside.

Hey, I am all about maintaining our freedoms while bringing workable solutions to our problems.

As for the DOC, every vote matters and who gets voted for and why matters.

The next election will be educational, maybe like the last one...

 

[WoundedKnee]

A wall will at best slow down illegal immigration. Even Trump admits that ("maybe a rope").

There is no hope to ever stop gun violence. Even if there was a loaded gun within easy reach of every single American, that wouldn't stop gun violence. But there is a hope to reduce gun violence, and especially mass shootings, by sensible means.

There's illegal immigration? I thought that they were just all "undocumented citizens."

 

[Hypoxia]

I listen to talk of Assault Rifles,High Powered Rifles, High Powered handguns,ect...

Who is feeding them this crap?

WELL... it starts as soon as kids are able to watch Television, even before indoctrination in schools...

Do firearms makers and marketers ever pay for product placement in films and telly? Are non-military firearms ever marketed as bad-ass commando toys? (Pretty phallic, too.) How many plastic 'assault' weapons line the toy section at WalMart?

As for indoctrination, should schools teach that shooting people is good? Should firearms be presented as essential in modern industrial society? Should schools NOT teach that nations not flooded with firearms don't suffer from epidemics of school shootings?

We know that real military firearms are lean and mean, and shit marketed as "assault guns" ain't. Tell the capitalists to change their tune, okay?

 

[Hypoxia]

Hey, I am all about maintaining our freedoms while bringing workable solutions to our problems.

The word 'freedom' (do what you want, no limit!) occurs but once in the Constitution, re: FREEDOM of speech and media. 'Liberty' and 'rights' require responsibility. 'Liberty' occurs three times with no details. 'Right' appears about 33 times IIRC and deals mostly with voting rights.

Only speech is free and even speech has consequences. We haven't 'freedom' to shoot or be shot, to kill or be killed. We're granted the limited right (and responsibility) to bear limited arms in defense of the nation. No switchblades or private howitzers, nope.

The Founders' model was: Defense by militia and navy. No standing army. Muzzle-loaders rule. You may have noticed that USA isn't structured like that now. We've a huge standing military, no official militia, and an AR-15 fitted with a bump stock can reduce a deer to hamburger in seconds.

We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

 

[FGB]

Do firearms makers and marketers ever pay for product placement in films and telly? Are non-military firearms ever marketed as bad-ass commando toys? (Pretty phallic, too.) How many plastic 'assault' weapons line the toy section at WalMart?

As for indoctrination, should schools teach that shooting people is good? Should firearms be presented as essential in modern industrial society? Should schools NOT teach that nations not flooded with firearms don't suffer from epidemics of school shootings?

We know that real military firearms are lean and mean, and shit marketed as "assault guns" ain't. Tell the capitalists to change their tune, okay?

Still. The most deadly part of any weapon is the finger that activates it.
Toys are toys. knowing the difference between toys,playing and real life coupled with right and wrong, must fall with the family reinforced with public schools,churches and the legal system.

Anything less...well that is what we have today,isn't it?

 

[FGB]

The word 'freedom' (do what you want, no limit!) occurs but once in the Constitution, re: FREEDOM of speech and media. 'Liberty' and 'rights' require responsibility. 'Liberty' occurs three times with no details. 'Right' appears about 33 times IIRC and deals mostly with voting rights.

Only speech is free and even speech has consequences. We haven't 'freedom' to shoot or be shot, to kill or be killed. We're granted the limited right (and responsibility) to bear limited arms in defense of the nation. No switchblades or private howitzers, nope.

The Founders' model was: Defense by militia and navy. No standing army. Muzzle-loaders rule. You may have noticed that USA isn't structured like that now. We've a huge standing military, no official militia, and an AR-15 fitted with a bump stock can reduce a deer to hamburger in seconds.

We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

Freedoms do have boundaries or they are not Freedoms. In this country we have a distorted view of were they begin and end in these later years.

Before they did not need to be defined because the were debate and taught on in the home,schools and churches.

Also, just because something is legal does not make it right or publicly acceptable.

We have the right to "open carry" in some places I don't and have only heard of two sightings mentioned in the normal run of the day (I had to look it up to make sure I was right)because normally it wouid be considered rude to open carry.

and a little bit dangerous!

 

[Hypoxia]

Freedoms do have boundaries or they are not Freedoms. In this country we have a distorted view of were they begin and end in these later years.

Liberties and rights have corresponding responsibilities. Freedoms do not. Wikipedia sez:

Freedom, generally, is having an ability to act or change without constraint. A thing is "free" if it can change its state easily and is not constrained in its present state. In philosophy and religion, it is associated with having free will and being without undue or unjust constraints, or enslavement, and is an idea closely related to the concept of liberty. A person has the freedom to do things that will not, in theory or in practice, be prevented by other forces.

Do what you wanna do till something stops you! That's freedom. Freedom has consequences, sure. My fist-swinging freedom is stopped by inertia when it hits your nose. Consequences may ensue.

 

[HisArpy]

Liberties and rights have corresponding responsibilities. Freedoms do not. Wikipedia sez: Do what you wanna do till something stops you! That's freedom. Freedom has consequences, sure. My fist-swinging freedom is stopped by inertia when it hits your nose. Consequences may ensue.

Yet you advocate laws to prohibit me from even thinking of swinging my fist whether your nose is present or not.

Your definition of freedom has serious shackles built into it.