Has Trump been subpoenaed?
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Oh, the irony.
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45 doesn't listen to the smart people.
10 yards for posting while stupid.
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That he's an imbecile incapable of being truthful?
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I'm proud of you Pookster. You actually made an engaging thread that people on both sides are intelligently discussing. Even if I just read and think at this point, you have done good.
Only ONE mindless moron has said something so typically uneducated. I enjoy reading all the rest. We are all in this mess together. Wanted or not.
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Good job?! What has he done right?!The economy is doing well, but that's really Obama's doing.
Trump ran on a promise to drain the swamp, and he drained it directly into the West Wing. We now have a kakistocracy -- rule by the worst of the worst. Really, DeVos for Education?! Pruitt for EPA?!
He ran on a promise to bring back the old high-wage blue-collar jobs. Ain't gonna happen.
He ran on a promise to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it. Ain't gonna happen.
He ran on a promise to Make America Great Again, and we've been a global laughingstock ever since January 2017.
He met with Kim Jong-un and came away with nothing of any value.
The only thing Trump has accomplished is to fan the flames of racism and xenophobia. We don't need that.
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It's going to be very busy wedding night.
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An update ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/politics/mueller-grand-jury-mysterious-friday/index.html
Mystery Mueller mayhem at a Washington court
Washington (CNN)Fridays at the DC federal courthouse are typically days of high alert for the press corps trying to discern what special counsel Robert Mueller's next legal action will be.
But this Friday, court officials went to extreme measures to ensure it was as difficult as possible to figure out what Mueller's team was doing as the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held a secret and mysterious argument about a grand jury subpoena challenge.
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The mystery of the subpoena appeal appears to date back to early September, when CNN witnessed several lawyers from Mueller's office entering a courtroom to argue against an unknown defense team before a trial-level judge who oversees federal grand jury-related cases.
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Security guards also cleared the vestibule to the courtroom and checked the coat closet where attorneys coming to listen to arguments stash their belongings. They locked the door leading to the attorneys' lounge on that floor and shooed the more than 20 reporters prowling the hall away from the elevator bank and told them to vacate the nearby stairwells. At one point, even an elevator wouldn't open its doors on the fifth floor.
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No sign that it was Mueller's office. No sign of defense counsel. The courthouse security had ushered the lawyers into and out of the building for their secret hearing completely under cover. The sealed hearing stayed confidential. And then, about 10 minutes after the court activity appeared to wrap for the day, a black Justice Department car rolled into Mueller's office building, bringing attorneys including Dreeben and Zainab Ahmad back to their home base.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/politics/mueller-grand-jury-mysterious-friday/index.html
Mystery Mueller mayhem at a Washington court
Washington (CNN)Fridays at the DC federal courthouse are typically days of high alert for the press corps trying to discern what special counsel Robert Mueller's next legal action will be.
But this Friday, court officials went to extreme measures to ensure it was as difficult as possible to figure out what Mueller's team was doing as the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held a secret and mysterious argument about a grand jury subpoena challenge.
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The mystery of the subpoena appeal appears to date back to early September, when CNN witnessed several lawyers from Mueller's office entering a courtroom to argue against an unknown defense team before a trial-level judge who oversees federal grand jury-related cases.
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Security guards also cleared the vestibule to the courtroom and checked the coat closet where attorneys coming to listen to arguments stash their belongings. They locked the door leading to the attorneys' lounge on that floor and shooed the more than 20 reporters prowling the hall away from the elevator bank and told them to vacate the nearby stairwells. At one point, even an elevator wouldn't open its doors on the fifth floor.
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No sign that it was Mueller's office. No sign of defense counsel. The courthouse security had ushered the lawyers into and out of the building for their secret hearing completely under cover. The sealed hearing stayed confidential. And then, about 10 minutes after the court activity appeared to wrap for the day, a black Justice Department car rolled into Mueller's office building, bringing attorneys including Dreeben and Zainab Ahmad back to their home base.
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And here is Politico's new story regarding it ...
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/14/mystery-mueller-subpoena-fight-1065409
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Reporters and members of the public were free to enter the courtroom during the first two cases. But the secrecy clampdown quickly followed as the court shifted gears to the sealed grand jury case. A security officer wearing blue rubber gloves checked the chambers for any devices left behind. The live audio feed went dead.
And then the clerk kicked the journalists off the entire fifth floor.
Determined to keep covering the story, reporters spread out around the courthouse and quickly set up a group email chain to pool their resources and communicate about who saw what in the hallways, elevators, staircases and entrances throughout the building. One television network reporter even stood guard at the top of a ramp leading to a secure parking garage where Mueller’s team has been known to bring in clandestine grand jury witnesses.
As the media played cat-and-mouse with the courtroom security guards — several reporters were reprimanded for waiting in stairwells — the additional measures undertaken Friday surprised many people familiar with the federal building’s practices.
“It’s not the norm, that’s for sure,” Manuel Retureta, a Washington-based defense lawyer not involved in the Mueller probe but who is frequently at the courthouse, said as he observed the scene.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/14/mystery-mueller-subpoena-fight-1065409
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Reporters and members of the public were free to enter the courtroom during the first two cases. But the secrecy clampdown quickly followed as the court shifted gears to the sealed grand jury case. A security officer wearing blue rubber gloves checked the chambers for any devices left behind. The live audio feed went dead.
And then the clerk kicked the journalists off the entire fifth floor.
Determined to keep covering the story, reporters spread out around the courthouse and quickly set up a group email chain to pool their resources and communicate about who saw what in the hallways, elevators, staircases and entrances throughout the building. One television network reporter even stood guard at the top of a ramp leading to a secure parking garage where Mueller’s team has been known to bring in clandestine grand jury witnesses.
As the media played cat-and-mouse with the courtroom security guards — several reporters were reprimanded for waiting in stairwells — the additional measures undertaken Friday surprised many people familiar with the federal building’s practices.
“It’s not the norm, that’s for sure,” Manuel Retureta, a Washington-based defense lawyer not involved in the Mueller probe but who is frequently at the courthouse, said as he observed the scene.
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It wasn't Trump ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/mueller-mystery-grand-jury-appeal/index.html
Court orders company to comply with special counsel subpoena in mystery grand jury appeal
A secret court case apparently about a grand jury subpoena from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation gained a little more clarity Tuesday night after a court ruling revealed the subpoena challenger is an unnamed company owned by a foreign country.
The Justice Department had asked the company to turn over "information" about its commercial activity in a criminal investigation and a federal appeals court is forcing the unnamed company to comply with the subpoena.
The ruling came four days after lawyers argued in secret for more than an hour before a panel of three appellate judges on the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The lawyers involved were never seen going into or out of that hearing on Friday, because the court security locked down an entire floor of the federal courthouse in DC for it.
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The appeals court offered few clues in its judgment about the company and its country of origin, or what Mueller's team sought.
In one short passage in the three-page decision, the judges describe how they had learned confidentially from prosecutors that they had "reasonable probability" the records requested involved actions that took place outside of the US but directly affected the US. Even the company was not informed of what prosecutors had on this, because revealing it to the company would have violated the secrecy of the grand jury investigation, the judges said.
The judges ruled that the company wasn't immune from the subpoena under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act. The company could be anything, including a sovereign-owned bank to a state-backed technology or information company.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/mueller-mystery-grand-jury-appeal/index.html
Court orders company to comply with special counsel subpoena in mystery grand jury appeal
A secret court case apparently about a grand jury subpoena from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation gained a little more clarity Tuesday night after a court ruling revealed the subpoena challenger is an unnamed company owned by a foreign country.
The Justice Department had asked the company to turn over "information" about its commercial activity in a criminal investigation and a federal appeals court is forcing the unnamed company to comply with the subpoena.
The ruling came four days after lawyers argued in secret for more than an hour before a panel of three appellate judges on the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The lawyers involved were never seen going into or out of that hearing on Friday, because the court security locked down an entire floor of the federal courthouse in DC for it.
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The appeals court offered few clues in its judgment about the company and its country of origin, or what Mueller's team sought.
In one short passage in the three-page decision, the judges describe how they had learned confidentially from prosecutors that they had "reasonable probability" the records requested involved actions that took place outside of the US but directly affected the US. Even the company was not informed of what prosecutors had on this, because revealing it to the company would have violated the secrecy of the grand jury investigation, the judges said.
The judges ruled that the company wasn't immune from the subpoena under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act. The company could be anything, including a sovereign-owned bank to a state-backed technology or information company.
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It'll be interesting to see what led Gregory Katsas to recuse himself.
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"Judge" Katas was Trump's White House Deputy Counsel 2016-2017, until he got appointed to District Court.
He's likely dirty.
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Quite possibly, but then again, he may just feel dirty ...
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Probably. Under Clinton v. Jones, the Supreme Court said a sitting president doesn't have absolute immunity. The issue was that Clinton wanted to wait til after his presidency to be deposed. Clinton's purpose was the longer he dragged it out, the more the memories fade. The court said the litigation can wait til afterwards, but it was important to preserve the record. Based on that, I would think that he can.
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And now this ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/22/politics/supreme-court-secret-court-case/index.html
Mystery company involved in Mueller investigation appeals to Supreme Court
Washington (CNN)An unnamed, foreign government-owned company in a mystery court case is asking the Supreme Court to pause a grand jury subpoena it received related to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.
The Supreme Court appeal comes after a federal appeals court ruling that ordered the company to comply with the subpoena, which required it to turn over "information" about its commercial activity in a criminal investigation. The appeals court also said the company could face fines for every day of noncompliance.
The request to the Supreme Court is the latest twist in the secret case, which is under seal and has made its way through the federal court system with uncommon speed.
This is the first known legal challenge apparently related to Mueller's investigation to make its way to the Supreme Court.
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"So far as we know, the Court has never had a sealed argument before all nine Justices," said Steve Vladeck, a CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "They can keep parts of the record and briefing sealed, and often do, such as in cases implicating trade secrets. But there's no procedure in the court's rules for having the whole case briefed, argued and decided under seal. The only times I'm aware of in which parties tried it, the court denied certiorari," or the review of the case.
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In one short passage in the three-page decision, the judges describe how they had learned confidentially from prosecutors that they had "reasonable probability" the records requested involved actions that took place outside of the United States but directly affected the US. Even the company was not informed of what prosecutors had on the issue, because revealing it to the company would have violated the secrecy of the grand jury investigation, the judges said.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/22/politics/supreme-court-secret-court-case/index.html
Mystery company involved in Mueller investigation appeals to Supreme Court
Washington (CNN)An unnamed, foreign government-owned company in a mystery court case is asking the Supreme Court to pause a grand jury subpoena it received related to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.
The Supreme Court appeal comes after a federal appeals court ruling that ordered the company to comply with the subpoena, which required it to turn over "information" about its commercial activity in a criminal investigation. The appeals court also said the company could face fines for every day of noncompliance.
The request to the Supreme Court is the latest twist in the secret case, which is under seal and has made its way through the federal court system with uncommon speed.
This is the first known legal challenge apparently related to Mueller's investigation to make its way to the Supreme Court.
...
"So far as we know, the Court has never had a sealed argument before all nine Justices," said Steve Vladeck, a CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "They can keep parts of the record and briefing sealed, and often do, such as in cases implicating trade secrets. But there's no procedure in the court's rules for having the whole case briefed, argued and decided under seal. The only times I'm aware of in which parties tried it, the court denied certiorari," or the review of the case.
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In one short passage in the three-page decision, the judges describe how they had learned confidentially from prosecutors that they had "reasonable probability" the records requested involved actions that took place outside of the United States but directly affected the US. Even the company was not informed of what prosecutors had on the issue, because revealing it to the company would have violated the secrecy of the grand jury investigation, the judges said.
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I'm guessing Deutsche Bank
The tarot cards told me
The tarot cards told me
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And now this ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/22/politics/supreme-court-secret-court-case/index.html
Mystery company involved in Mueller investigation appeals to Supreme Court
Washington (CNN)An unnamed, foreign government-owned company in a mystery court case is asking the Supreme Court to pause a grand jury subpoena it received related to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.
The Supreme Court appeal comes after a federal appeals court ruling that ordered the company to comply with the subpoena, which required it to turn over "information" about its commercial activity in a criminal investigation. The appeals court also said the company could face fines for every day of noncompliance.
The request to the Supreme Court is the latest twist in the secret case, which is under seal and has made its way through the federal court system with uncommon speed.
This is the first known legal challenge apparently related to Mueller's investigation to make its way to the Supreme Court.
...
"So far as we know, the Court has never had a sealed argument before all nine Justices," said Steve Vladeck, a CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "They can keep parts of the record and briefing sealed, and often do, such as in cases implicating trade secrets. But there's no procedure in the court's rules for having the whole case briefed, argued and decided under seal. The only times I'm aware of in which parties tried it, the court denied certiorari," or the review of the case.
...
In one short passage in the three-page decision, the judges describe how they had learned confidentially from prosecutors that they had "reasonable probability" the records requested involved actions that took place outside of the United States but directly affected the US. Even the company was not informed of what prosecutors had on the issue, because revealing it to the company would have violated the secrecy of the grand jury investigation, the judges said.
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I thought the rwcj ruled that this was all fake news and waste of time.. No?
