Hilary and the Election Failure

[phrodeau]

That was another thing people had against Hillary. I hope you know it was her campaign in 2008 that brought up the idea.

Nobody knows that but you, fake news.

Oh, and Donald Trump.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/trump-on-birtherism-wrong-and-wrong/

 

[Boxlicker101]

Nobody knows that but you, fake news.

Oh, and Donald Trump.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/trump-on-birtherism-wrong-and-wrong/

Perhaps not Hillary herself, but her campaign and supporters did, and she did and said nothing to disavow it: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/16/clinton-08-campaign-manager-admits-birther-connect/

 

[phrodeau]

Perhaps not Hillary herself, but her campaign and supporters did, and she did and said nothing to disavow it: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/16/clinton-08-campaign-manager-admits-birther-connect/

Bullshit. Read your own damned link.

“@AriFleischer I fired the rouge [sic] & I called [Mr. Obama’s campaign manager] @davidplouffe to apologize 4 said rouge,” Ms. Doyle tweeted in response to Mo Elleithee, Ms. Clinton’s former traveling press secretary, who said: “The one rouge staffer who sent an email was fired pretty damn quick.”

Ms. Doyle appeared about an hour later on CNN with Wolf Blitzer to address the issue once again. She denied that Hillary Clinton had started the birther theory — then admitted that someone in the Clinton campaign had, in fact, been involved.

“There was a volunteer coordinator, I believe, in late 2007, I believe, in December, one of our volunteer coordinators in one of the counties in Iowa — I don’t recall whether they were an actual paid staffer, but they did forward an email that promoted the conspiracy,” Ms. Doyle said.

Wolf Blitzer, who was interviewing her then said, “The birther conspiracy?” to which Ms. Doyle replied: Yeah, Hillary made the decision immediately to let that person go. We let that person go.”

Some volunteer coordinator in Iowa forwarded an e-mail that was already being sent around. Where did that come from?

That person was immediately fired, and an apology was made to the Obama campaign.

Neither Hillary's campaign nor her supporters came up with the idea, and they certainly did something about it when it happened. You are wrong on both counts.

 

[dan_c00000]

Perhaps not Hillary herself, but her campaign and supporters did, and she did and said nothing to disavow it: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/16/clinton-08-campaign-manager-admits-birther-connect/

The Washington Times is the literal definition of fake news bullshit. If you want to get your news from the Moonies go right ahead.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I find this interesting: This guy is obviously a crackpot, but he was an influential Dem at the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg

Main article: Barack Obama presidential eligibility litigation § Berg v. Obama

Berg filed a complaint in federal district court on August 21, 2008, against Democratic Party presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, alleging that Obama was born actually in Mombasa, Kenya and that the "Certification of Live Birth" on Obama's website is a forgery. The court dismissed the complaint as "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."[15][16] The judge also found that the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and that Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."[15][16] Berg filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the United States Supreme Court and also sought an injunction to suspend the election. The injunction was denied by Justice David Souter on November 3, 2008. Berg also sought an application for injunction pending the disposition of the petition for writ of certiorari; Justice Souter denied it, Berg refiled and submitted it to Justice Anthony Kennedy (who denied it), then refiled and submitted it to Justice Antonin Scalia, who referred it to the Court. On January 12, 2009, the Supreme Court denied Berg's petition for writ of certiorari (555 U.S. 1126),[17] and on January 21 the Court denied the application for injunction (555 U.S. 1134).[18]

This Dem was an early birther.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Washington Times is the literal definition of fake news bullshit. If you want to get your news from the Moonies go right ahead.

How about this: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

The rumor began during the primaries in 2008, which would probably have made it a Clinton ploy. Trump was nothing but a TV personality and businessman at that time, so his opinion would have been meaningless, if it had even been asked.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Bullshit. Read your own damned link.

Some volunteer coordinator in Iowa forwarded an e-mail that was already being sent around. Where did that come from?

That person was immediately fired, and an apology was made to the Obama campaign.

Neither Hillary's campaign nor her supporters came up with the idea, and they certainly did something about it when it happened. You are wrong on both counts.

How do you fire a volunteer?

 

[LadyVer]

She/He felt anointed, that it was her/his birthright to be the next in the dynasty.

There was no platform, just that "I" deserve to win.

Did you ever read the platforms from both parties?

 

[phrodeau]

How do you fire a volunteer?

Do you really not know? You tell them to stop showing up.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Do you really not know? You tell them to stop showing up.

And, if the volunteer ignores you, what then. You know, you can't compel somebody to stop political activity.

 

[phrodeau]

And, if the volunteer ignores you, what then. You know, you can't compel somebody to stop political activity.

You get a court order, dummy.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You get a court order, dummy.

Are you saying you get court orders to stop people from practicing their First Amendment rights?

 

[JackLuis]

In Its Defense Against Fraud Suit From Bernie Supporters, the DNC Just Dug Itself Into an Epic Hole

If the party wants to favor a candidate, that’s its own business, argues DNC lawyer.

One moment in particular that would have made Democratic higher-ups queasy was Spiva’s decision to allude to choosing candidates in smoke-filled back rooms. This was a particularly ill-advised choice after a primary season where the Democrats were accused of doing just that, with the superdelegate system (originally designed to tilt the pendulum back to party officials in the nominating process) criticized as unfairly benefiting Clinton and taking the choice away from the grass roots.

“We could have voluntarily decided that, look, we’re gonna go into the back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way,” he told the court. “And that would have also been their right.”

 

[needit700]

hillary lost!!

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[Boxlicker101]

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And that's the right way to say it, too. It's not "Trump won;" it's "Hillary lost." A better candidate , not necessarily Bernie, would have won.

 

[phrodeau]

Are you saying you get court orders to stop people from practicing their First Amendment rights?

Yes, of course you do.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

No.

Hillary was a million times better. She had a shit campaign and didn't pander to the Dumb Fucks now losing their insurance because Dumb.

And that's the right way to say it, too. It's not "Trump won;" it's "Hillary lost." A better candidate , not necessarily Bernie, would have won.

 

[dan_c00000]

How about this: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

Did you read that? It says Donald Trump started and you're a racist piece of shit. You really ought to find someone literate to help you before you post stuff.

 

[jaF0]

This worthless, ignorant piece of shit is gonna run again, isn't it?

 

[Boxlicker101]

This worthless, ignorant piece of shit is gonna run again, isn't it?

I don't think Hillary has announced yet, but she might.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Did you read that? It says Donald Trump started and you're a racist piece of shit. You really ought to find someone literate to help you before you post stuff.

It does not say Trump started it, and actually says he did not. But it does say Clinton supporters spread it.

Though it’s true that the specific allegation that Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. first reared its head during the 2008 presidential race, rumblings about Obama’s “otherness” had been percolating since long before that. In 2004, a political gadfly named Andy Martin issued a press release calling Barack Obama a “complete fraud” who had “misrepresented his heritage” in his memoir, Dreams From My Father, and “is a Muslim who has concealed his religion.” The theme was pushed further in December 2006 by conservative columnist Debbie Schlussel, who published an article entitled “Barack Hussein Obama: Once a Muslim, Always a Muslim,” which stated that “Obama has a ‘born-again’ affinity for the nation of his Muslim father, Kenya.” In March 2007, Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn proposed attacking Obama on the basis of his “lack of American roots.” And, in December 2007, a Clinton volunteer county coordinator in Iowa was fired for forwarding an e-mail making the by-then familiar claim that Obama is a Muslim.

The idea that Obama was born elsewhere, specifically Kenya, was first floated in April 2008, according to a 22 April 2011 Politico article by Ben Smith and Byron Tau on the origins of birtherism:


That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous e-mail questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.

That Hillary Clinton supporters circulated such an e-mail isn’t in question, but the claim that that’s the moment the birther theory “first emerged” simply isn’t true. The likeliest point of origin we’ve been able to find was a post on conservative message board FreeRepublic.com dated 1 March 2008 (which, according to a report in The Telegraph, was at least a month before Clinton supporters got on the e-mail bandwagon):


I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems – except accept the VP.

The same rumor was repeated, with elaborations, four days later on the conservative blog Ruthless Roundup:


Add to the family history shown in this article that Obama’s mother was allegedly visiting Kenya with Obama’s father in the final months of her pregnancy and was not allowed to board a flight in her late term to return home.

She allegedly had Obama in Kenya and quickly boarded a flight to Hawaii. Airlines do not accept late term pregancies but do not refuse passage to a newborn, usually issuing a 10% or free fare ticket for the trip.

Once in Hawaii, his mother registered him as being born in Hawaii.

The conspiracy theory was already fully formed at this point. Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew “good ammo” when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism.

 

[phrodeau]

This worthless, ignorant piece of shit is gonna run again, isn't it?

Trump? Yes, if he knows what's good for him. He should start running today, toward the Bering Strait.

 

[dan_c00000]

It does say Trump started it[/B]

Because he did start it.

You can lie, piss, moan, and bitch about it all you want box just come out and admit you're a racist first. You'll feel better.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Because he did start it.

You can lie, piss, moan, and bitch about it all you want box just come out and admit you're a racist first. You'll feel better.

That link says about the same thing as I have been saying: The rumor was begun by Hillary supporters long before the 2016 election. Perhaps not by Hillary herself, but by her supporters, although she might well have lied about that too. In 2004, Trump was a businessman and a TV personality, and probably had little or nothing to say about it. In 2011, he did ask for proof of natural born citizenship, but that was not really an accusation.

Currently, in an unrelated topic, Trump is being asked to prove a negative, which is almost impossible to do, while all Obama had to prove was a positive, which he did. Even so, the rumor had some fact behind it, since Obama's father was an African.

 

[phrodeau]

That link says about the same thing as I have been saying: The rumor was begun by Hillary supporters long before the 2016 election. Perhaps not by Hillary herself, but by her supporters, although she might well have lied about that too. In 2004, Trump was a businessman and a TV personality, and probably had little or nothing to say about it. In 2011, he did ask for proof of natural born citizenship, but that was not really an accusation.

Currently, in an unrelated topic, Trump is being asked to prove a negative, which is almost impossible to do, while all Obama had to prove was a positive, which he did. Even so, the rumor had some fact behind it, since Obama's father was an African.

Obama's father was born in a British colony, and so was George Washington.