How are things any different

[EternalFantasies]

"Orwellian" is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.

It denotes an attitude and a brutal policy of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson"—a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practiced by modern repressive governments.

 

[Matthew Craig]

All empires fall my friend. Sadly i fear i will not see the day however. Perhaps in another 100 years it may come about.

(Yes you America)

 

[richard_daily]

"Orwellian" is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.

It denotes an attitude and a brutal policy of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson"—a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practiced by modern repressive governments.

Orwell was a leftist... Stop co-opting his message to spread your bullshit.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

"Orwellian" is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.

It denotes an attitude and a brutal policy of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson"—a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practiced by modern repressive governments.

No one is trying to deny truth or change the historical records (in fact the Civil War should be taught more in our schools - all of our schools). It is the tribute to the policies of slavery and and the worship of treason and rebellion that are being scorned by many.

Read a fucking book. Learn about the Middle Passage.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Orwell was a leftist... Stop co-opting his message to spread your bullshit.

No one is trying to deny truth or change the historical records (in fact the Civil War should be taught more in our schools - all of our schools). It is the tribute to the policies of slavery and and the worship of treason and rebellion that are being scorned by many.

Read a fucking book. Learn about the Middle Passage.

Talk about people living in their tiny perceptive bubbles. Unable to see things past the current events...

To top it off, while I posted something that many can argue is in their (the above two idiots) favor kinda, or serves "their side", they merely replied based on who posted it.

http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/laughing-gifs-foolish-human.gif
Morons.

 

[Hypoxia]

Believe nothing.
It's all bullshit.

Reality is bullshit.
History is bullshit.
News is manufactured.
Conspiracies abound.
Science is a fraud.
Only you exist.

None dare call it solipsism.



Meanwhile, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Control by propaganda: people are being swayed and pulled through media brainwashing, all while them thinking they got this:

https://media.tenor.com/images/da6c6662a35f4ad0bde1ab47f7005d59/tenor.gif


Surveillance: Patriot Act, Assange, Snowden... I think everyone do realize they are being tracked.


Misinformation fake news a phenomenon acknowledged by all sides.


Denial of truth: Most of mainstream Americans are in denial. Think about it.


Manipulation of the past: Removing historical monuments is directly that.


Each point above is a list each has in their minds.

Do we really not see how Orwell had a point, and that true freedom is fading into non-existence?

 

[Hypoxia]

Control by propaganda: people are being swayed and pulled through media brainwashing...

In USA, media are corporate, bent on sucking dollars from suckers. Like any other business, media outlets tailor their product for a desired demographic. Liberals outnumber conehead conservatives in USA; corporations choose which suckers to sell to, so don't be shocked by any bias. That's capitalism.

Surveillance: Patriot Act, Assange, Snowden... I think everyone do realize they are being tracked.

You're tracked by your credit card use, your shopping and online viewing patterns, your phone -- all corporate surveillance. Your personal data (which you don't own) gets sold. Yet more capitalism...

Misinformation fake news a phenomenon acknowledged by all sides.

Misinfo, disinfo, spin, have long traditions. But *nothing* is ever "acknowledged by all sides". Everybody lies, spins, promotes, targets, pushes their products, whether material or ideological. Corporate adverts are mainly carefully-lawyered bullshit. Does SpamX really deodorize better? Marketers might acknowledge their spin, but don't bet on it.

Denial of truth: Most of mainstream Americans are in denial. Think about it.

"The man who laughs has not yet been told the terrible news."
--Bertolt Brecht

Manipulation of the past: Removing historical monuments is directly that.

Most films also remove the past. But IMHO statues of traitors belong in museums or war cemeteries, not in places of honor.

Do we really not see how Orwell had a point, and that true freedom is fading into non-existence?

As a noted West Point grad wrote, "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." USA founders didn't promote freedom; their goal was LIBERTY, which requires responsibility and respect for others. Your liberty depends on the liberty of others, of all of us. Freedom is for loners. Liberty is for citizens.

 

[EternalFantasies]

We basically agree except:

The statues are to remember. How to remember is up to each.

The freedom is for loners.. something here you do not get. It's not that kind of freedom.. The freedom i speak of, which I also believe is the US's kind of freedom, is the kind like: the truth shall set you free kind of freedom. Not have liberty and jailed by ignorance.

True freedom comes from....

oh well. never mind.


Orwell was correct then, and what is anyone doing about it?

Do we need to?

 

[doctor_insanus]

This certainly seems Orwellian.

Trump is looking to inject his propaganda into the mainstream.

 

[EternalFantasies]

This certainly seems Orwellian.

Trump is looking to inject his propaganda into the mainstream.

Seems to me that someone's trying to get his real message out while all media was already previously purchased.

How you saw it this way is.... oh... nvm.

 

[Hypoxia]

Seems to me that someone's trying to get his real message out while all media was already previously purchased.

Mainstream media gave Tromp BILLIONS of bucks worth of free coverage even before he started campaigning. Mainstream media MADE Tromp. He's never had any problem "getting his real message out" -- MSM eagerly echoes his every tweet and twitch, every rally and stump speech, every lie and fantasy. You seem not to recall the media angst over the monster they created.

Nobody, especially Team Tromp, expected him to win the presidency, so he had no shadow gov't ready, no political pros, no policy strategy, no coherent plan. Had he any future vision, he'd handle media nicely, seducing and subverting them, not making them enemies. That's really stupid, same as making enemies of Guppy legislators he needs to get laws passed.

Geo Washington is a national superhero because he sweet-talked writers into saying good things about him. Tromp is a national disgrace because he bad-mouths writers who'll naturally not deify him. Tromp is a luzer

 

[EternalFantasies]

Mainstream media gave Tromp BILLIONS of bucks worth of free coverage even before he started campaigning. Mainstream media MADE Tromp. He's never had any problem "getting his real message out" -- MSM eagerly echoes his every tweet and twitch, every rally and stump speech, every lie and fantasy. You seem not to recall the media angst over the monster they created.

Nobody, especially Team Tromp, expected him to win the presidency, so he had no shadow gov't ready, no political pros, no policy strategy, no coherent plan. Had he any future vision, he'd handle media nicely, seducing and subverting them, not making them enemies. That's really stupid, same as making enemies of Guppy legislators he needs to get laws passed.

Geo Washington is a national superhero because he sweet-talked writers into saying good things about him. Tromp is a national disgrace because he bad-mouths writers who'll naturally not deify him. Tromp is a luzer

1. You really need to take up a breathing technique class and work on getting over his win to be able to see things clearer post his win. I can direct you to places in CA.

2. The media did nothing for him except do their job. He surprised everyone. His strategists surprised everyone. And, they knew what they were doing. (search youtube for Cohen CNN interview says who).
He was polarizing, he was chaotic he was attractive, and the media ate it all. They HAD to cover it coz everyone is. Coz he was the News, and made more news than anyone.

He was also the outsider doing all this.

I know it is easy to fall for certain scenarios in hindsight, but this one was not the media supporting him at all.

 

[Hypoxia]

1. You really need to take up a breathing technique class and work on getting over his win to be able to see things clearer post his win. I can direct you to places in CA.

I breathe very nicely at my elevation, thank you.

2. The media did nothing for him except do their job.

Ah, so you *didn't* notice all the media angst over their Frankenstein creation. Well, if they only did their jobs then, they're only doing their jobs now, ferreting-out all the administration bullshit, DJT's numerous lies and violations, etc. That's what the press does here. DJT sets up his own propaganda machine but he's kinda outnumbered, poor baby. If he didn't lie so much, he wouldn't need it.

 

[EternalFantasies]

I breathe very nicely at my elevation, thank you.

Ah, so you *didn't* notice all the media angst over their Frankenstein creation. Well, if they only did their jobs then, they're only doing their jobs now, ferreting-out all the administration bullshit, DJT's numerous lies and violations, etc. That's what the press does here. DJT sets up his own propaganda machine but he's kinda outnumbered, poor baby. If he didn't lie so much, he wouldn't need it.

You edited out the main reason, and replied as if the edited part was not there.

So, what's the point?

It's quite clear the media attention he got was his doing. It's a presidential campaign. And not the media's offering to him.

 

[EternalFantasies]

A coincidence update from a Facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/AHigherKnowledge/videos/960642080749254/

 

[hsnh]

I disagree with the part about vaccines and cancer research, but other than that - that was a good vid . And so many people feel that way.

More, please.
You often start fantastic threads, like the "French Revolution - good or bad" and the "Pipelines wars".

 

[EternalFantasies]

U'll find those not far from the truth tho.

Thank you. Well, the locals here are quite the living in hell type.

Take BND for example, he'll agree with my thread on the 1st amendment, but he'll go make his own.

It discourages me

 

[Freudian_Slit]

U'll find those not far from the truth tho.

Thank you. Well, the locals here are quite the living in hell type.

Take BND for example, he'll agree with my thread on the 1st amendment, but he'll go make his own.

It discourages me

Poor snowflake.

 

[EternalFantasies]

If Orwell's 1984 theory is indeed playing out as described above, well, that is in essence, socialism and communism, except the grip is through money, banks, a passive way; not actively through rules and regulations like the old ussr.

 

[RobDownSouth]

If Orwell's 1984 theory is indeed playing out as described above, well, that is in essence, socialism and communism, except the grip is through money, banks, a passive way; not actively through rules and regulations like the old ussr.

It's not, but thank Skyfather for Bitcoin and Etherium anyway.

 

[EternalFantasies]

It's not, but thank Skyfather for Bitcoin and Etherium anyway.

And who do we thank for the Fed Res?

 

[Hypoxia]

Capitalism: You own two cows. I buy one for cash down and fifty a month.
Socialism: You own two cows. State co-op regulates cows and buys the milk.
Communism: You own two cows. State shoots you and gives cows to comrade.
Corporate Capitalism: You borrow money to buy two cows. Bank forecloses.
Crony capitalism: You cut cow deal with buddy: false price, lower sales tax.
Tromp Capitalism: You default on cow loan, declare bankruptcy, cheat workers.
Alt.Right version: You declare off-white and mixed-race cows are evil; kill-em.
Ted Nugent take: I don't care if it's a deer, a cow or a Jew. That sucker is DEAD!

 

[EternalFantasies]

Socialism: You own two cows. State co-op regulates cows and buys the milk

That's it. You're dead.

Americans do not realize how the banking power and institutional power created in the US thus far, once it all turn to a regulatory state run society, it becomes dissimulated communism. It's most dangerous in the US due to the power capitalism created thus far.

I've said it many times here: mr and mrs everybody working in a socialist system start playing favorites with their comrades. you become living in tyranny, but not by a government, rather by those with state regulated jobs, syndicated jobs, etc. who will abuse your ass, and that culture, will spread to other industries to give bad customer service, u dont like it shop elsewhere, "this is how it works here, deal with it buster", etc etc.

It's not easy to see...

 

[oggbashan]

...

It's not easy to see...

Because anyone who has experienced a mixed economy (including the US) knows that your statements are complete bullshit.