How good do you look?
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Virtual_Burlesque said:
Let's just keep Dick Cheney out of this, please.
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I so hate having to pay to work. now i know why...*sigh*...
its all good, though, one day...when i win the red-neck retirement fund (aka ct lotto) ill be the one with the last laugh..
HA!
its all good, though, one day...when i win the red-neck retirement fund (aka ct lotto) ill be the one with the last laugh..
HA!
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vella_ms said:
Vella, you could make $$$ smelling sheets on camera for Downey, April Fresh Scent.
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*blush*...no, really, i did.LadyJeanne said:
but as far as selling fabric softner...im afraid thats a no go.
they kicked me off the set cuz i was pilfering the sheets...
can you blame me? they have a squillion different uses! i think it should be a comp. all i can use for the rest of my life...
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Self-employed ... hmmm. I just gave myself a 5% raise 
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As far as how good I look, that is my face in the AV so you can partly judge from that, except that I am also fat.
The premise of the article makes sense. There is little disadvantage in being good-looking except that very attractive women are often not taken seriously. Besides that, there are some occupations, such as model or entertainer, where good looks are a requirement.
The writer of the article could use a refresher course in math. The difference between 6 feet 2 inches and 5 feet 9 inches is five inches, not three.
The premise of the article makes sense. There is little disadvantage in being good-looking except that very attractive women are often not taken seriously. Besides that, there are some occupations, such as model or entertainer, where good looks are a requirement.
The writer of the article could use a refresher course in math. The difference between 6 feet 2 inches and 5 feet 9 inches is five inches, not three.
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impressive said:Self-employed ... hmmm. I just gave myself a 5% raise
Mirror, mirror on the wall,
Imp's the fairest of them all.
She looks so good day after day
She votes herself a bit more pay.
Cha-ching!
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vella_ms said:
It's their fault; they should have just tied you to the bed.
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Oh, this might not be popular... but speaking as someone whose been in the position of management in three different companies, the attractive people are just more valuable. Not "they get paid more", I mean "they are more valuable to the company".
Customers prefer it based on all sorts of polled reasons: attraction, views on quality of character as a product of effort on self-image, lack of social bitterness or resentment, etc. If I have to sell something to someone (my advertising company was all sales), I want the foxy guy and girl working the clients. If I have to have customers (the restaurant I had a few years ago), the cute waitresses and smart lookin' bartenders get people through the door over and over.
I think the study should be taken in a light much different than "how horrible that the world is this way!", and more like "what can I do to improve my image and capitalize on that resource, as if it were any other manageable factor?"
Customers prefer it based on all sorts of polled reasons: attraction, views on quality of character as a product of effort on self-image, lack of social bitterness or resentment, etc. If I have to sell something to someone (my advertising company was all sales), I want the foxy guy and girl working the clients. If I have to have customers (the restaurant I had a few years ago), the cute waitresses and smart lookin' bartenders get people through the door over and over.
I think the study should be taken in a light much different than "how horrible that the world is this way!", and more like "what can I do to improve my image and capitalize on that resource, as if it were any other manageable factor?"
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kendo1 said:
I think he's self-employed, too.
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honestly, i am contented with what beauty i have.....
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Joe Wordsworth said:
He's right, you know. All other things being equal, I'll go to the bar or restaurant with the best-looking waitresses. It's common knowledge that, other things being equal, beautiful women can sell stuff better to men and handsome men can sell stuff better to women. These are well-known facts of life.
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Joe Wordsworth said:
Personally, I don't care if my accountant looks like a toad if he knows how to do my taxes or if my coffee barrista just emerged from a day spa if she can't make a latte in less than 15 minutes. Substance over style is more valuable to me.
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Nothing odd there. if the job in question is a lot about client contact, like the sales personell at my job, then good looks and good social skills is an advantage. Still, a record of competence and good social skills still beats a purdy face when it comes to getting the deals.Joe Wordsworth said:
However, in my line of work, where the social scene was strictly low pretense peer to peer, good looks (other than "don't dress like a bum") in general means nothing. Social skills is still a requirement.
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Boxlicker101 said:
Box, darling, can I tell you about this lovely bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling?
You have a point, up to a point. It might work once if the looks are compelling, but if the pretty waittress or hunky bartender takes forever to take my order and never comes back to see if I want a refill, I'm not likely to go back. Service is just as important - I want value for my money, not just something to look at.
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LadyJeanne said:
That's true for most people, which is why I said "All other things being equal.."
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Which, for the small business owner, wasn't a decision I made (when I had to make one) lightly. It's not all "corporate fat-cats with their greed and evil". My computer company was ten people strong. My restaurant was a staff of twenty-five or so. My advertising company was four people. When I had a stack of applications, I'd have to look at them and weed out the unqualified and call back for interviews.
The guy who shows up wearing chains and alternative punk rock shirts with greasy long hair and bad facial hair projects going on? Gone. Out of the question. My computer company had SO many of these people apply it became exhausting just meeting them long enough to inform them of WHY I was disconsidering their application. Image saves the company thousands of dollars a year, that money can go to better wages, better service, better equipment. A shave and a haircut is the difference between repeat business and word-of-mouth slander, sometimes.
The overweight people? That's a hard choice to have to make. Harder than the greasy punk guy (it was all a matter of choice for him, that morning), obesity grows over time. It's not like they decided to be fat one day. But, when it comes down to it, the interview is about who communicates well and interacts professionally. Obese people? I have to doubt their self-control, their personal management skills, their ability to will themselves into situations that are unpleasant ('cause work is not all fun and games). I meet one girl who is a solid eighty pounds overweight and a girl who is tone (not just skinny, but firm), I can tell one of them has some self-discipline and isn't going to be too tired to work a long day without sitting down.
It's just not all "horrible stupid greedy bigotted people"... it's sensible, often. It's just common sense, half the time. I smoke, but I'll hire a non-smoker over a smoker ANY day. Everytime. I'll hire a guy with no piercings over a guy with them. I'll hire the girl with clear skin over the one with acne. The healthy tan over the sickly pale.
It's the difference between paying the bills and going bankrupt.
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LadyJeanne said:
But, then we're qualifying job performance. Assuming all candidates are sufficiently skilled to perform the job... who do you accept?
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Boxlicker101 said:
You did say that and I missed it...apologies!
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Boxlicker101 said:
Either Jim was measuring in metric feet, or else he is the author of "Blond, Like Me.
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A group) Average men at 69 inches tall (5'9")
B group) If 1/3rd of the B group are 74 inches tall (6'2") on average
...and 2/3rd of B group are 71 inches tall (5'11"), then average height for B group is 72 inches tall (6'0")
B group) If 1/3rd of the B group are 74 inches tall (6'2") on average
...and 2/3rd of B group are 71 inches tall (5'11"), then average height for B group is 72 inches tall (6'0")
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Joe Wordsworth said:
I can see why EEOC laws are necessary and why they don't believe anti-discrimination laws will really help much when people are judged by appearance.
I'm surprised you weren't sued after explaining to someone you weren't hiring him because he was fat.
And there's no such thing as a healthy tan.
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