How Soon Will Cuba Fall?

[realmint]

Cuba has endured six straight years of recession, and now the Venezuelan oil spigot is effectively shut off. That makes collapse a matter of timing, not speculation. The United States now controls access to Venezuela’s oil market, which raises an obvious question: where exactly is Cuba supposed to get its energy, and what concessions will Havana have to make to persuade Trump to allow any at all?

Trump has systematically pushed both Russia and China out of Venezuela and cut off their privileged access to its oil. The knock-on effects are already visible. Without Venezuelan crude to ship home, China’s strategic rationale for exerting influence over Panama and the canal weakens dramatically. Once that leverage disappears, their presence there is likely to unravel as well.

Don't know how it will unfold but wouldn't it be interesting if Cuba became a state? Could be such an awesome vacation hot spot. Imagine the wealth the people of Cuba could enjoy.

 

[badbabysitter]

Don't know how it will unfold but wouldn't it be interesting if Cuba became a state? Could be such an awesome vacation hot spot. Imagine the wealth the people of Cuba could enjoy.

It's already a popular tourist destination...America has the embargo, not everyone else

 

[Sean Renaud]

No. In two important respects the Cuban economy is superior to our own.

I beleive the argument he's making is people escape Cuba to come to America. I admit now that I think about it I've NEVER done any research into the numbers or anything else. I just blindly accepted the propaganda that everybody in Cuba wants to be American and risk their lives to drowning and sharks by the hundreds of thousands every year.

 

[ClockworkFox]

people escape Cuba to come to America

I reckon anyone escaping Cuba must just want to go anywhere that's not Cuba, not necessarily the US, but it's just that the US is so handy at barely 100 miles. Then they taste a Big Mac with extra fries, and realise they too want to live the American dream.

 

[Rightguide]

Don't know how it will unfold but wouldn't it be interesting if Cuba became a state? Could be such an awesome vacation hot spot. Imagine the wealth the people of Cuba could enjoy.

It would likely take time for Cuba to transition from its current political and economic structure into one compatible with the American system. Decades under a centralized communist, one-party model shape not just policy, but institutions, courts, markets, regulatory systems, and expectations about the role of the state. Moving toward a system built on political pluralism, private enterprise, and rule of law isn’t just a matter of changing laws; it requires rebuilding those institutions and allowing new norms to take root. Until that process matures, blending fully into the U.S. political and economic framework would be difficult and potentially unstable.

There’s also the question of public consent on both sides; statehood isn’t just a legal maneuver; it would require broad, sustained political will among Cubans and Americans alike. Until there’s clear movement toward political pluralism, legal transparency, and economic restructuring, the idea of statehood is less a near-term policy option than a very distant hypothetical.

 

[realmint]

Very interesting observations. Given the degree of difficulty getting political factions in the USA to agree it does seem unlikely to see Cuba blend in. The seduction of 'free everything' from the government is powerful. The cost of the "free" stuff is hidden to the view of weak minded people.

 

[Rightguide]

Very interesting observations. Given the degree of difficulty getting political factions in the USA to agree it does seem unlikely to see Cuba blend in. The seduction of 'free everything' from the government is powerful. The cost of the "free" stuff is hidden to the view of weak minded people.

I think we can help Cuba become a new and viable country, but in order to attract large numbers of foreign visitors and investors would also require changes that go beyond beaches and scenery. Travelers tend to look for reliable infrastructure, modern accommodations, stable access to banking and communications, personal safety, freedom of movement, and confidence that rules will be applied consistently. Expanding those conditions, while preserving Cuba’s unique cultural identity, would go a long way toward making the country a more attractive destination for tourism, business development, and long-term international engagement. Trump is in a position to at least get that ball rolling.

 

[Sign54]

The UK has universal health care and is a democracy. Cuba has nothing to offer. I'd like it to become something like the Dominican or Panama.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think we can help Cuba become a new and viable country, but in order to attract large numbers of foreign visitors and investors would also require changes that go beyond beaches and scenery. Travelers tend to look for reliable infrastructure, modern accommodations, stable access to banking and communications, personal safety, freedom of movement, and confidence that rules will be applied consistently. Expanding those conditions, while preserving Cuba’s unique cultural identity, would go a long way toward making the country a more attractive destination for tourism, business development, and long-term international engagement. Trump is in a position to at least get that ball rolling.

Most of that would take care of itself if America took our boots off their throat.

 

[SebastianHolt]

The Cuban people are suffering from Trump's harassment. I see no reason to believe that the Cuban government is unpopular with the Cuban people.

The Cubans have two institutions we should have: universal health care and government financed university education for those who qualify.

no no nope nada nova to universal health care

 

[SebastianHolt]

The Cuban people are suffering from Trump's harassment. I see no reason to believe that the Cuban government is unpopular with the Cuban people.

The Cubans have two institutions we should have: universal health care and government financed university education for those who qualify.

and pay your own way for college

 

[JohnEngelman]

no no nope nada nova to universal health care

One area where socialism is definitely superior to capitalism is in health care. Countries with socialized medicine get better results for less money than Americans.

 

[Rebel5soul]

One area where socialism is definitely superior to capitalism is in health care. Countries with socialized medicine get better results for less money than Americans.

Less money, yes, better results??????? The results issue is WAY up in the air.

 

[SebastianHolt]

One area where socialism is definitely superior to capitalism is in health care. Countries with socialized medicine get better results for less money than Americans.

i say bullshit. People in my circles are doing just fine with private insurance. These are all driven people so they all have ZERO desire to downgrade to a socialized healthcare. its like driving a BMW and trading that in for a used Chevy Volt.

no thank you

 

[SebastianHolt]

One area where socialism is definitely superior to capitalism is in health care. Countries with socialized medicine get better results for less money than Americans.

why do people settle for 5th best? screw that crap

 

[Hel_Books]

i say bullshit. People in my circles are doing just fine with private insurance. These are all driven people so they all have ZERO desire to downgrade to a socialized healthcare. its like driving a BMW and trading that in for a used Chevy Volt.

no thank you

So the people that don't have healthcare end up in the emergency room at ten times the cost and that eventually gets paid by you in higher taxes and insurance premiums.

Hey, how about only have police and fire departments working in districts where people have a lot of money to pay for the services? Will that be more efficient and safer?

 

[Hel_Books]

I think we can help Cuba become a new and viable country, but in order to attract large numbers of foreign visitors and investors would also require changes that go beyond beaches and scenery. Travelers tend to look for reliable infrastructure, modern accommodations, stable access to banking and communications, personal safety, freedom of movement, and confidence that rules will be applied consistently. Expanding those conditions, while preserving Cuba’s unique cultural identity, would go a long way toward making the country a more attractive destination for tourism, business development, and long-term international engagement. Trump is in a position to at least get that ball rolling.

While Donald Trump is leading the USA back to the 19th century with "clean coal" and scrapping the renewables ($5 a gallon petrol coming soon!!) Cuba is moving to the 21st century.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Less money, yes, better results??????? The results issue is WAY up in the air.

AI Overview



As of 2026, the United States continues to have the most expensive healthcare system in the world, spending roughly twice as much per person as Canada, the UK, and Denmark. While the US relies heavily on private insurance and higher prices for services, Canada, the UK, and Denmark use public funding systems to provide universal coverage at a lower cost. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

https://www.google.com/search?q="he...4YbwgcJMi4yMi4yMC42yAe-AYAIAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

 

[JohnEngelman]

Deaths per live births

Norway 2.4
Sweden 2,5
Denmark 3.4
United States 6.5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates

 

[Rebel5soul]

Deaths per live births

Norway 2.4
Sweden 2,5
Denmark 3.4
United States 6.5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates

Better research how those stats are collected.

 

[JohnEngelman]

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Life Expectancy in the U.S., Canada, Denmark, Sweden, and the UK (2026)​

Based on the latest United Nations and World Data estimates for 2026, here are the life expectancies at birth for the five countries:

• United States: 79.5 years (males: 77.05; females: 81.98) Worlddata.info
• Canada: 82.7 years (males: 80.53; females: 84.91) World Population Review
• Denmark: 82.1 years (males: 80.21; females: 83.98) World Population Review
• Sweden: 83.4 years (males: 81.65; females: 85.22) World Population Review
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• United Kingdom: 81.5 years (males: 79.54; females: 83.33) World Population Review

 

[JohnEngelman]

Better research how those stats are collected.

Anywhere one looks the statistics are roughly the same.

 

[JohnEngelman]

why do people settle for 5th best? screw that crap

What does that supposed to mean? My initial statement, which I have documented, is that countries with socialized medicine get better results than the United States, for less money.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Anywhere one looks the statistics are roughly the same.

I looked into THOSE particular stats maybe 13 years ago. At that time most of the European nations did not count it as a live birth unless the child survives the first six months. The US counts a live birth when the baby draws it's first breath. I'm sure you can see how those thresholds might effect the data sets. You better learn to question everything.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I looked into THOSE particular stats maybe 13 years ago. At that time most of the European nations did not count it as a live birth unless the child survives the first six months. The US counts a live birth when the baby draws it's first breath. I'm sure you can see how those thresholds might effect the data sets. You better learn to question everything.

My statistics come from 2026.