I am Music

[twelveoone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA
whiter shade of pale - procol harum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2j-frfK-yg
air on the g string

Just for comparison purposes.
The Procol Harum song can be said to be build on a similar (more simple) bass line and its melodic flow (far less sophisticated than Bach's) is still in a similar vein and quite enjoyable for a pop song.
I cannot decide whether it is a conscious (mis)quotation of Bach or a subconscious influence and I leave it open for your ears. To me the song has still great value for its innovating lyrics and as a special cultural mark of the sixties.

sounds like nothing like lawsuit to me, cause it sounds nothing like...
twas comment quote
like this one:
Anyone here watch Star Trek? You ever wonder why music like this survives to the 24th century? Because it is incredible.

Hello, perhaps you missed the episode where the Klingons were reciting my poetry?

Right, the one that wasn't filmed yet. Stay tuned. I can't tell if this guy is being "ironic" or I am. Really how can you tell if they really had music back then, it's not like the internet was invented. Or even records.

 

[twelveoone]

You got me into my old habits now!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuMtEof9MWs
bach 3rd orchestral suite

you do know my attention span conks out after 2:55
just kidding
rebumped

 

[pelegrino]

you do know my attention span conks out after 2:55
just kidding
rebumped

try listening John Cage's 4'33'', almost twice as long, good way to double your attention span.
just kidding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maverick_Concert_Hall#John_Cage_and_4.E2.80.9933.22_at_the_Maverick

 

[bogusagain]

Ok, since everyone's butchering poetry on the other side of the wall, how bout chopping up some lyrics?
Whiter shade of pale~procol harum
(i'd link the lyrics if i could)
Was it about a gymnast? The Titanic? A mushroom induced orgy? Sailors on leave?
What the fuck was Reid thinking?
Did he steal it from Chaucer's canterbury tales? 17th century poets in bits and pieces?
And did Booker really lift the music from Bach?
What the fuck's up with that song?
Reid doesn't seem to remember
I'm going with underage groupies at an acid party

I doubt he was thinking, its psychedelic. You just gooooo wiiiiith the floooow maaaaan.

67 was the year of my sexual awakening. Sue R put her hand down my trousers in the English lesson and John Donne got a whole new meaning.

What was Serge Gainsbourg thinking of here, stealing a bit of Chopin in his duet with his daughter Charlotte. 85 was a good year too.

 

[Trixareforkids]

Butters brought this to mind.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQCxwneUwA

Satellite, Rise Against


You can't feel the heat until you hold your hand over the flame
You have to cross the line just to remember where it lays
You won't know your worth now, son, until you take a hit
And you won't find the beat until you lose yourself in it

That's why we won't back down
We won't run and hide
Yeah, 'cause these are the things that we can't deny
I'm passing over you like a satellite
So catch me if I fall
That's why we stick to your game plans and party lives
But at night we're conspiring by candlelight
We are the orphans of the American dream
So shine your light on me

You can't fill your cup until you empty all it has
You can't understand what lays ahead
If you don't understand the past
You'll never learn to fly now
'Til you're standing at the cliff
And you can't truly love until you've given up on it

That's why we won't back down
We won't run and hide
Yeah, 'cause these are the things that we can't deny
I'm passing over you like a satellite
So catch me if I fall
That's why we stick to your game plans and party lives
But at night we're conspiring by candlelight
We are the orphans of the American dream
So shine your light on me

She told me that she never could face the world again
So I offered up a plan

We'll sneak out while they sleep
And sail off in the night.
We'll come clean and start over the rest of our lives.
When we're gone we'll stay gone.
Out of sight, out of mind.
It's not too late,
We have the rest of our lives.

We'll sneak out while they sleep
And sail off in the night
We'll come clean and start over the rest of our lives
When we're gone we'll stay gone.
Out of sight, out of mind.
It's not too late,
We have the rest of our lives.
The rest of our lives

Because we won't back down
We won't run and hide
Yeah, 'cause these are the things that we can't deny
I'm passing over you like a satellite
So catch me if I fall
That's why we stick to your game plans and party lives
But at night we're conspiring by candlelight
We are the orphans of the American dream
So shine your light on me (shine your light on me)

Because we won't back down
We won't run and hide
Yeah, 'cause these are the things that we can't deny
I'm passing over you like a satellite
'cause these are the things that we can't deny now
This is a life that you can't deny us now

 

[pelegrino]

Here you can enjoy some 50ies and 60ies real modernism.Integral serialism at its best. Not everybody's cup of tea, of course, but for me great!


Pierre Boulez, Structures I & II
( Structures, for two pianos )

Premier livre (1952)
00:00 I.
03:36 II.
12:19 III.

Deuxième livre (1961)
14:41 I.
23:28 II.

 

[Remec]

Just a little something to kick start a lazy Sunday afternoon (well, around here, that is. )

 

[pelegrino]

This is too beautiful to listen to at 4:00 in the morning, for anyone who wants to share the experience.
I also tried to download it but it gave me a message of video error.

 

[Tsotha]

Angie, I just finished watching something I thought you might enjoy. Here.

This is too beautiful to listen to at 4:00 in the morning, for anyone who wants to share the experience.
I also tried to download it but it gave me a message of video error.

I can attest that this is beautiful to listen to at other times of the day, too. Not just 4 AM.

 

[twelveoone]

Oh God
it burned the top of his head off.

 

[pelegrino]

Oh God
it burned the top of his head off.

He should be a bit more careful next time!

I'm not a snob, I just cannot listen to music sometimes when it has words.
I'm relaxing with this better at 5 in the morning, all drunk buck from the gig.

 

[pelegrino]

I'm carrying on with my study of basic compositional techniques.
The best ones that western music civilization has come up with.
It's twenty to four in the morning here. It is well worth relaxing to.

 

[pelegrino]

this one translated "A Year Of Love" is to me one of the greatest love songs I've ever heard.
Out of countless videos in youtube I chose this 1965 performance as been probably the most original, sang by Mina in Italian. The song has become probably more famous in its Spanish version as it has been used in a film by Pedro Almodovar.

 

[pelegrino]

But still... songs are just songs. There is a hell of a lot more to music than just songs.
A. VIVALDI, Six Flute Concertos Op.10, Academy of Ancient Music
Don't be taken by the word "flute". In Baroque era it usually meant a recorder and that is what you'll hear.

 

[pelegrino]

Here are 5 Romanian folk dances orchestrated by Bela Bartok, a master of that art.
This video is interesting as it incorporates in two of the dances some original folk musicians, probably Romanian also.

 

[Trixareforkids]

But still... songs are just songs. There is a hell of a lot more to music than just songs.
A. VIVALDI, Six Flute Concertos Op.10, Academy of Ancient Music
Don't be taken by the word "flute". In Baroque era it usually meant a recorder and that is what you'll hear.

I disagree. Songs are memory, history, emotion, tradition. They are heartbeat and souls ease. There is no just about those things. Sweeping instrumentals have their place, but so do songs and in my opinion songs take the higher place because they are more accessible, more relatable and more repeatable in everyday settings.

 

[pelegrino]

I disagree. Songs are memory, history, emotion, tradition. They are heartbeat and souls ease. There is no just about those things. Sweeping instrumentals have their place, but so do songs and in my opinion songs take the higher place because they are more accessible, more relatable and more repeatable in everyday settings.

On the other hand, I agree with almost everything you wrote about songs! They are indeed all these things you say and even more.
I'm afraid that you may think me as a snobbish musician. I am not. Songs are my everyday musical life nowadays (especially as I earn a living by playing and teaching them).
The only point I disagree with you is that they take the higher place when considered as part of the total music available. Then for me (depending on the mood of the moment, of course), other forms of musical expression take precedence irrespective of whether they are less accessible, less relatable and less repeatable than songs. Anyhow, who is to decide about the merit and the presence of those three attributes? It is anyone's opinion (in my opinion).
Songs to me, when they are good, they are like little gems of art and I love them beyond reason.
And the world is full of them, thank goodness for that.
Are they, though, the only vocal music available?
How about a song cycle? Is it not more exciting and more complex, (structurally at least) than a song?
Do you class as songs a Gregorian chant, a polyphonic madrigal, an aria da capo from an opera?
I don't, in the current use of the word "song".
So here I go again into medieval Latin poetry!
Carl Orff: Carmina Burana (complete version).

Thanks for the comment, Trix, anyhow, I like very much discussions like this.

 

[Trixareforkids]

To me, a song is:
music anyone can make, this includes a Capella and instrumental twitterings
'Popular music' regardless of genre, generally gets the listener involved whether it be through dancing or singing along.

Pure music, or highbrow music is to me:
Music which you are expected to quietly listen to whiteout involving yourself physically.

Think of a concert, opera, whatever musical gathering. If the audience is encouraged to sing along or get up and dance, it's song. If the audience is discouraged from singing along or spontaneously dancing, it's highbrow, pure music.

When you hear music that moves you, you want to be able to move. Raise your voice or sway your body, if you really feel it you almost can't help yourself. If that is frowned upon, well, then it's just an exercise of skill to me, exhibition. While it may be interesting, I don't find it engaging.

So, I guess my definition do a song is music that encourages audience participation.
While 'music' would be that which discourages it.

 

[pelegrino]

Oh yes, Trix, the music I'm talking about and giving links to is very-very "Highbrow" indeed. No mistake in that!
It is only for… how should I say? De-tribelized people, for lack of a better word. What I mean is individuals, not belonging to a clan. Therefore you are correct, it dissuades audience participation, it only requires your ears (brain and soul, of course, it goes without saying) and then it can be very engaging.

Now, in the field of popular music, as far as "physical involvement" and "audience encouragement" can be seen, it does not happen all the time and sometimes when it does happen it is particularly annoying to other members of the tribe... err… audience.
If you want to move to music then you can term it as "dance music", is that what you're after?
Do you move to classical ballet music? If not, why not? It is meant to be danced to as a prime object.
Maybe everything that requires a high degree of specialization in the arts is "highbrow" after all.
I find your definition of a song as good as any, but there are many.

I finished with Carmina Burana and I'm going into this now which is only 6'51'' long and incidentally does have some (minimal) participation from the audience and invitations from the soloists and the maestro for it to join them.
On this rare occasion no one would stop you from participating, but I think you would rather not cause as a performance it is very hard, unrepeatable I would say, but still you can enjoy it!

Regards.

 

[Trixareforkids]

I just can't use your tribal term, lol.

There are as many opinions on what is 'good' music as there are people and each and every one is right. Which ever music moves an individual is good music, no matter how discordant it may be to anyone else.

I spoke up because you seemed to be placing more value on high brow music than popular music and THAT was what I disagreed with.

Music is much like religion, to each his own and all are equally valid and valuable.
Highbrow is theology, it crosses peoples minds, some few find it fascinating but most just sing they hymns and find their meaning and passion contained therein.

 

[twelveoone]

for ishtat
literal
On the Surface

 

[pelegrino]

This is superb piano music and the video is the score following the performance.

"Gaspard de la nuit" by Maurice Ravel

 

[Hypoxia]

Andy Warhol showed that 'art' is anything that can be framed and sold. He was inspired by John Cage, who taught that 'music' is any sound to which we can be induced to pay attention -- even ambient noise, and even better if we'll pay for it. A music's brow-level (high, medium, low, etc) is strictly a marketing artifact. The classical music world of the past century virtually suicided by not welcoming and promoting avant-garde trends, whilst art dealers found ways to sell improbable images. So now, we have vibrant, commercially successful gallery scenes -- and orchestras must be subsidized by governments, corporations, etc. Highbrow music fucked itself.

(Note: I have professional classical musicians in my family. I was merely a streetcorner busker.)

 

[twelveoone]

Under His Eyes (satire) - "YOU ARE A SICK FUCK. WHY WOULD YOU WRITE THIS HORRIBLY VILE STORY. THIS IS HUMANITY AT ITS WORST. I ONLY SKIMMED TO SEE WHAT CRAP IT WAS. YOU NEED TO BE LOCKED AWAY FROM ANYONE YOU COULD HURT FOR REAL. MINUS 1 BILLION ISN'T ENOUGH. DON'T WRITE ANYMORE." -Anon
See that is what I do like about poetry, you get a higher class of ANON. Do you think the all caps is a good thing? Seems to cut down on the dynamic range, how does it read this way

yoU aRe A sICK fuck. whY....I like it more when it looks like a cut and paste ransome note...THIS Is humANity At itS worSt...sendMe 1BillioN ...UnMarked QuarTers - Anon

 

[Hypoxia]

See that is what I do like about poetry, you get a higher class of ANON.

Ah, if the LW Anons knew what was happening in the realm of rhyme and reason, they'd descend upon us like ravens on roadkill. When we see spoor of illiterate Anons here, we'll know we've made it to prime time. I shall be ready for them. My partner and I will play and sing:

TWO CARIBOO - [dulcimer+flute]

Oh I wish I had a year's supply of blubber
And two harp seal pups to call me Mother
And a polar bear hide for my pillow
And two cariboo to watch over me

Oh I wish I had a trapline in the south
And some red berries so I could paint my mouth
And an ice-cream-cone filled with walrus brains
And two cariboo to watch over me

Oh I wish I had a speargun and a kayak
And an igloo with curtains I could tie back
And a Sno-Cat big enough to carry three
And two cariboo to watch over me

Confound the Anons with verse and sweet, sweet music, yes, that's the remedy. Then send polar bears after them. It's only right.