I find myself pondering conscription.

[Lance_Castro]

….“Pondering conscription”

I think that’s funny.

Mighty Russia can barely penetrate Ukraine, a country that is 25-30% Russian, and run by a Russian Comedian, after 3 years, and has to import … North Koreans?

Yes, most Europeans are afraid right now.

And north america is a big island, easily the safest place on earth.

But this is going to be resolved because the new wars are economic wars.

And theres too much money to be made.

I think your child bride is safe.

 

[dolf]

….“Pondering conscription”

I think that’s funny.

Mighty Russia can barely penetrate Ukraine, a country that is 25-30% Russian, and run by a Russian Comedian, after 3 years, and has to import … North Koreans?

Yes, most Europeans are afraid right now.

And north american is a big island, easily the safest place on earth.

But this is going to be resolved because the new wars are economic wars.

And theres too much money to be made.

I think your child bride is safe.

Putin can't keep bluffing indefinitely on retaliation against allies. There's a chance he's going to decide that Europe needs to be shown that there's consequences to aiding Ukraine and, as you pointed out, international assistance is making his plans of an easy invasion into a meat grinder that sees him begging Korea for able bodies.
If he attacks one, it'll be seen as an attack on all. My child bride might not be dragged into that, but my son definitely will. If Russia is attacked, there's a chance that China might get involved. China likes Russian oil and gas, and Russia need modern technology to boost its outdated, soviet era war machine.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Obviously, I'm far too old. But my husband isn't.
My son is already in the military, but my daughter isn't.
I think her size and autism would rule her out for a combat role.
Weirdly, my job might actually become quite important in the event of war.

We're already sending billions in aid and equipment, and now the government has announced a big increase in defence spending. So what do y'all think the odds are of this becoming a full scale European conflict? I'm not feeling massively optimistic.

Edit to mention I'm not American.

My take on this is no there will be no conscription. Biden had the right idea, keep the war local, keep the combatants Ukrainian or voluntary, with no outside Governments participating,except for equipment munitions and financial aid. Let Russia collapse militarily and financially. The Russian people will then take care of Putin.

Russia has nukes,and Putin would use them to protect himself. If he thought he would be captured, put on trial ala Hussein, he'd push the button. IMHO a direct confrontation with NATO would escalate rapidly to the point where Putin would use Nukes.

 

[forgotmyantidepressants]

If the SAVE act passes, I'd love to see the military try to conscript women.

 

[jomar]

Being anti-war is not just a soapbox for Trump. It's an opportunity to make a profit, because everything has to be either profit or self-glory. He has zero interest in people dying, he just wants the mineral wealth of Ukraine in perpetuity in return for $120b in military assistance. He pretends that it's $300b, but that's typical bluster/lies.

So, just as he tried to blackmail Zelenskyy into inventing false allegations against Hunter Biden (an in revenge prompted the war itself), he's now trying to blackmail him into surrendering the national wealth in order to stop his war. The most transactional corrupt person to come close to the White House.

It's similar to his position on Gaza; support Israel against the Palestinians just so he can personally profit from golf resorts on that beach-front property.

He's such an appalling person, beyond any Marvel character. But you knew all about his personality before you voted for him. It's why you voted for him.

Yes, trump is a distributive bargainer in an integrative world. He can’t see the forest for the trees.

 

[TastySuckToy]

And you've clearly established that you have no intention of ever discussing the topic of the thread.

I simply gave my opinion on conscription and the war issue, which is very much on topic.

So why are you here if not to soapbox?

Again, I get it, you think anti war sentiment is "soapbox". Gotcha.

Henceforth I'll be ignoring your monologues in favour of discussing the liklihood of my family getting shot at.

Ignore whatever you wish, other opinions and perspectives still exist, and crying that they're "soapbox" doesn't change anything.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Being anti-war is not just a soapbox for Trump.

I agree. For Trump, it's first about saving human lives, and getting America out of paying for other people's wars. Two very commendable goals and a shining example of his status as great President.

 

[UltraChad]

If the SAVE act passes, I'd love to see the military try to conscript women.

LOL women having to take responsibility for their vote? No way.... the strong independent women who don't need no men for NOTHING won't stand for any of that. War is for them to support and for men to go die in.

 

[UltraChad]

Being anti-war is not just a soapbox for Trump. It's an opportunity to make a profit, because everything has to be either profit or self-glory. He has zero interest in people dying, he just wants the mineral wealth of Ukraine in perpetuity in return for $120b in military assistance. He pretends that it's $300b, but that's typical bluster/lies.

^^ Cheneycrat warmonger projection.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

LOL women having to take responsibility for their vote? No way.... the strong independent women who don't need no men for NOTHING won't stand for any of that. War is for them to support and for men to go die in.

"Point to the doll and show us where the woman hurt you"

 

[Bray123]

LOL women having to take responsibility for their vote? No way.... the strong independent women who don't need no men for NOTHING won't stand for any of that. War is for them to support and for men to go die in.

Which branch do you serve in?

 

[icanhelp1]

Being anti-war is not just a soapbox for Trump. It's an opportunity to make a profit, because everything has to be either profit or self-glory. He has zero interest in people dying, he just wants the mineral wealth of Ukraine in perpetuity in return for $120b in military assistance. He pretends that it's $300b, but that's typical bluster/lies.

It's both Ukrainians and Americans that benefit from economic and industrial agreements with each other. Is it wrong to provide support for Ukraine in the form of a loan? Biden didn't do that. One thing people don't take into consideration, as we rotate stock and send older munitions to Ukraine the replacement cost for those systems is in many cases triple the original cost. So matching cost by system for system, tank for tank, fighter for fighter, Artillery and so on the cost of goods we send to Ukraine is not equal one for one to replace.

So, just as he tried to blackmail Zelenskyy into inventing false allegations against Hunter Biden (an in revenge prompted the war itself), he's now trying to blackmail him into surrendering the national wealth in order to stop his war. The most transactional corrupt person to come close to the White House.

It's similar to his position on Gaza; support Israel against the Palestinians just so he can personally profit from golf resorts on that beach-front property.

He's such an appalling person, beyond any Marvel character. But you knew all about his personality before you voted for him. It's why you voted for him.

 

[Bn2f]

Obviously, I'm far too old. But my husband isn't.
My son is already in the military, but my daughter isn't.
I think her size and autism would rule her out for a combat role.
Weirdly, my job might actually become quite important in the event of war.

We're already sending billions in aid and equipment, and now the government has announced a big increase in defence spending. So what do y'all think the odds are of this becoming a full scale European conflict? I'm not feeling massively optimistic.

Edit to mention I'm not American.

I too share your concerns. I said this in December of last year and my position has not changed:

The intent of my post was to request a rethinking joining a military where your life or the lives of a family member or friend could be at risk of sacrifice to the whims of a person I consider 1. morally compromised to lead our military. 2. disrespects their service. 3. is a useful and willing asset/traitor to the interests our enemies.

I was embarrassed by the display shown to our allies yesterday. We have a Manchurian candidate in the WH. Our allies should not trust us to respect treaties or count on us to help defend global democracy. I again will share an old post of mine, from September 2023, for my stance on Ukraine has not changed or wavered:

David Rothkopf: “We’ve spent 40 billion, a tiny fraction of our 800 billion dollar defense budget, and we’ve destroyed half of the Russian army.
This tiny US investment has probably advanced our national security interests more than any other in the past 80 years.”

A president who actually cares for world peace, the use and loss of American troops, and the interests of our euro allies would do well to continue this minimal budgetary investment in Ukraine that’s flustered our biggest adversary since post ww2.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Funny, people used to enjoy visiting St Petersburg etc.

Too bad Russians are such Klingons. This whole kill kill kill deal is counter prod.

The people who run russia would rather stay on their yachts in italian waters.

Unless they decide its time for everyone to die.

Trump should probably just do a branding deal. Trump Russia would have much better houses and way more golf. And don’t forget the women. Golden Age, da.

Da da da da.

 

[dolf]

*

My take on this is no there will be no conscription. Biden had the right idea, keep the war local, keep the combatants Ukrainian or voluntary, with no outside Governments participating,except for equipment munitions and financial aid. Let Russia collapse militarily and financially. The Russian people will then take care of Putin.

Russia has nukes,and Putin would use them to protect himself. If he thought he would be captured, put on trial ala Hussein, he'd push the button. IMHO a direct confrontation with NATO would escalate rapidly to the point where Putin would use Nukes.

At the moment our troops are limited training Ukrainians and participating in a bit of willy waggling in Eastern Europe.
Everything you say is logical, but I'm not convinced Putin is going to be logical. The only way he's leaving power is in a box, and the worse things look in Ukraine, the harder people are hit by sanctions, the more people there are willing to put him in said box. Desperate men take Desperate measures.

If the SAVE act passes, I'd love to see the military try to conscript women.

How has that got anything to do with this thread?

 

[schism666]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone in favour of the Ukraine war and fighting Russia should automatically be conscripted to go fight the war and have their finances immediately directed to the war effort. You want the war to continue, then you go fight it and you pay for it.

If you're not willing to gear up to fight and put your money into the war effort, then you're just a chickenshit coward who wants to spend other people's money on war and make other people fight and die in it.

you just want ukraine to be taken over by putin so the felon is safe.

 

[schism666]

It's both Ukrainians and Americans that benefit from economic and industrial agreements with each other. Is it wrong to provide support for Ukraine in the form of a loan? Biden didn't do that. One thing people don't take into consideration, as we rotate stock and send older munitions to Ukraine the replacement cost for those systems is in many cases triple the original cost. So matching cost by system for system, tank for tank, fighter for fighter, Artillery and so on the cost of goods we send to Ukraine is not equal one for one to replace.

we don't replenish decommissioned stock, dumbfuck.

 

[Lance_Castro]

we don't replenish decommissioned stock, dumbfuck.

Props on your new sig!

 

[schism666]

Props on your new sig!

i haven't changed it since 3 cap'ns ago, small fry.
... but you piqued my interest to look and...


when you click on vinny, cyrus pops up.

 

[schism666]

Call to scrap Trump's state visit over Zelensky row

An SNP MP has said that Donald Trump's second state visit to the UK cannot go ahead if he refuses to show further support for Ukraine.

Trump accused Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky of "gambling with World War Three" during a fiery showdown at the White House on Friday.

It came the day after Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer used his US visit to present Trump with a letter from the King, offering an initial meeting in Scotland to discuss the unprecedented second visit.

Stephen Gethins, the SNP's foreign affairs spokesperson, called Trump's behaviour towards Zelensky "grotesque" and said it amounted to "bullying".

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I got your point. It really wasn't relevant.
My taxes are already contributing. My son is already indirectly contributing.
But I'm not asking about your opinions on the morality of supporting Ukraine v allowing Putin to push to regain USSR territory. You just wanted a soapbox moment.

The question was what the likelihood of it turning into a full scale European conflict. Europe the continent, not the EU organisation.

He's a fucking retard, just ignore it.

 

[coati]

I agree. For Trump, it's first about saving human lives, and getting America out of paying for other people's wars. Two very commendable goals and a shining example of his status as great President.

^^^A prime example of someone so brainwashed that he has no clue about the destabilizing effects of our President and Vice President doing a live-on-TV gangster shakedown of Ukraine yesterday.

 

[Lance_Castro]

i haven't changed it since 3 cap'ns ago, small fry.
... but you piqued my interest to look and...
View attachment 2504380

when you click on vinny, cyrus pops up.

Wow, and here i was calling you dumbfuck!

Ha ha ha!

 

[Rightguide]

When I say Europe, I mean the continent.
When you say Europe, do you mean the continent or the EU?

I’ve never seen the UK as truly part of Europe, and I still don’t. However, I do feel that Britain is losing its identity. Unchecked immigration appears to have introduced a level of discord that is unfamiliar to the nation as we have seen it in the past.

 

[schism666]

Wow, and here i was calling you dumbfuck!

Ha ha ha!

you always look stupid when you make weak attempts to troll.