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no cowbell, I always thought!dark-glasses said:
i made a grown man cry today
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OOOH you're in trouble now!dark-glasses said:
Write fifty times-
Sweden is not Switzerland...
And then come by me for a spanking
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Svenskaflicka is SWEDISH not SWISSdark-glasses said:
I always say;
Bottoms switch when they find out they can..
Tops switch the first chance they get...
Makes a lot of tops angry to hear that!
But the correlary is that they've never been able to- never found the top they'd trust to flip 'em
uh... what where we talking about?
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okay...dark-glasses said:who said anything about Svenskaflicka?
coulda swore I typed "Sven"
Who's Sven and why does he have a Svedish name if he's Swiss?
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that works for me! LOLdark-glasses said:
quite a stick you've got there, by the way
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... ooh! ooh!dark-glasses said:
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You know, i really feel sorry for you. Instead of taking the conversation (most of which was spent in comparison of the differences between my kids and myself, which should be apparent if you actually read the post well) as teaching these three about tolerance, and noting that the fact that the old man was there and just happened to be the one that brought it up, it seems you're trying to turn it into something bad because he was the catalyst for the conversation. It was clear to me that he wasn't bothered in the least. He was happy to have been there as the start of the conversation, and was glad to have heard it. He wouldn't have looked the way he did if he hadn't been. i'm truly sorry you simply can't accept it.MichelleLovesTo said:
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entitled said:
I'm sorry that you feel sorry for me, but I was only stating a different perspective and what occurred to me as I (carefully) read your story. As I said, I don't believe you had anything but the best intentions in the world, and it's admirable and commendable that you want your kids to be tolerant.
I also accept that perhaps the man was happy it unfolded the way it did, but I would have felt differently in his place. That's not trying to make it ugly, but saying that not every human being is going to react the same to being an object lesson. And how do you know how a person is going to take it until you actually potentially offend them? Sometimes people just want to pick up a quart of milk and not be The Black Guy, or The Guy in The Wheelchair, or The Guy Who is Clearly in Love With The Other Guy.
I'm glad that it worked out for you, and infinitely glad you wanted to teach your kids acceptance, but I can't help but think that this is not a lesson for aisle 6, but rather a lesson which would be better served by having diverse friends, and teaching about other cultures on a regular basis. That way, when your kids go to the store, the lesson is already there.
I also didn't know how you'd take my comment until I read your response but, for what it's worth, I'm sorry that my post angered you. You don't know me, but I promise I wouldn't have posted that comment in front of a lot of people I still don't know well, unless it was something I really felt stongly about saying it.
Anyhow, I can fully accept that the man was okay with it, but that was not a guarantee.
I agree with MichelleTo
Thanks MichelleTo, I was wondering the same thing... I think that by the time your kids can talk, they should feel comfortable with different races to not make an issue of it at the store, regardless of where you live in the world. I don't think it's very good that they just thought he was so fascinatingly "different"... my son is three and we live in a predominantly white area, but I already promote unquestionable equality among all people... that would not be open to discussion.
I don't mean it wouldn't be open to "discussion"... I mean, he would know that it is a given, and therefore it wouldn't even be an issue for him to raise about a stranger being "different" just because of the color of his skin ... and certainly not when he's old enough to have a discussion about it...
Thanks MichelleTo, I was wondering the same thing... I think that by the time your kids can talk, they should feel comfortable with different races to not make an issue of it at the store, regardless of where you live in the world. I don't think it's very good that they just thought he was so fascinatingly "different"... my son is three and we live in a predominantly white area, but I already promote unquestionable equality among all people... that would not be open to discussion.
I don't mean it wouldn't be open to "discussion"... I mean, he would know that it is a given, and therefore it wouldn't even be an issue for him to raise about a stranger being "different" just because of the color of his skin ... and certainly not when he's old enough to have a discussion about it...
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MichelleLovesTo said:
I've heard from people in wheelchairs and such that they would rather be openly discussed- and even asked questions, than whispered about.
With the described circomstances, he was probably touched to have someone speak to him at all. Sometimes, I think it's better to try and do someothing good and risk it not coming out right than to just go on doing nothing.
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I thought the story was beautiful.
Carry on ent.
Carry on ent.
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It would be MUCH easier if there were ANY people of other races around here. Or people in wheelchairs, or missing parts, or whatever. They don't have the chance to develop friendships with diverse people. Neither do i. If the chance were there it wouldn't be a problem.AcadiaSky said:
Both of my older children had Mexican friends (children of migrant workers) in the headstart program. They had both learned to speak a little spanish by the time the workers - and their friends - left. They've all been exposed to people with MS and mental disabilities. They're related to them.
If the opportunity were there to let them see that there are people that are different, i would have taken advantage of it. They would still ask questions, since that's what kids do, but they would have already known at least a little bit.
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Michelle - i obviously took your post the wrong way, and apologize. i understand how it is to be the one that gets pointed out. More than most people would ever think, actually. That's why it didn't bother me in the least to use him as an object lesson, and why i was willing to take that chance.
It just worked out well.
Sweet - Thank you.
DG - Shaddup.
That's why it didn't bother me in the least to use him as an object lesson, and why i was willing to take that chance.It just worked out well.
Sweet - Thank you.
DG - Shaddup.
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sweetnpetite said:
I agree that being whispered about might be worse, but I don't see it as an either/or. I'm all for trying to do something good, and my disagreeing with this doesn't negate that.
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\entitled said:Michelle - i obviously took your post the wrong way, and apologize. i understand how it is to be the one that gets pointed out. More than most people would ever think, actually.
It just worked out well.
Sweet - Thank you.
DG - Shaddup.
Thank you. I never wanted you to think that I was attacking you when it was clear that you were trying to teach your children an important lesson.
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entitled said:and nearly forgot about it. Shame on me!
The kids didn't have school today because there was a whole half inch of snow on the ground
Now you have to understand that where we live, it's considered a point of honor to run off any people that aren't white. There's a small community of Mexicans a couple of miles from here, but they've learned not to do so much as get groceries until the wee hours of the morning, due to the way people treat them.
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Where is this place?
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entitled said:
Sounds like an interesting place.
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