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It's from the direction of the East River.
Those Brits never knew how to cook steak anyway.
Those Brits never knew how to cook steak anyway.
I smell burning cow!
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you got that right...
...part of it anyway.
They definitely can't cook a steak, but I gotta tell ya'...the steak I've bought here to cook myself is better than anything I ever got in the states. Hormones, antibiotics, and such aren't allowed in beef production so a good slab of Scottish beef is just marvelous, melt in your mouth, finger lickin' good!
Oh...it's pigs and sheep that are being burned. Quite a mess. Even my kids are having to walk across disinfected straw to go into school (the school has an agricultural centre with lifestock).
Think I'll fire up the grill...
...part of it anyway.
They definitely can't cook a steak, but I gotta tell ya'...the steak I've bought here to cook myself is better than anything I ever got in the states. Hormones, antibiotics, and such aren't allowed in beef production so a good slab of Scottish beef is just marvelous, melt in your mouth, finger lickin' good!
Oh...it's pigs and sheep that are being burned. Quite a mess. Even my kids are having to walk across disinfected straw to go into school (the school has an agricultural centre with lifestock).
Think I'll fire up the grill...
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You are right - just went to my copy of this....
morning's Washington post and read the caption on the above fold photo - pigs. Hundreds of'em.
Do they kill'em first? They must. Pigs are pretty smart - they'd run. How do they kill'em? Poison?
What a barbeque.
morning's Washington post and read the caption on the above fold photo - pigs. Hundreds of'em.
Do they kill'em first? They must. Pigs are pretty smart - they'd run. How do they kill'em? Poison?
What a barbeque.
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Sparky........
They shoot them, . 250,000 is the running total so far. Mostly sheep, although all livestock on the farm is destroyed if an outbreak is found.
The latest gov't move is a cull of all sheep that may have come into contact with the virus at certain markets. Or passed thru certain sheep dealers hands.
In northern England and southern Scotland, all animals (of the cloven hoofed varieties) within a three kilometre zone around outbreaks will be destroyed on a "precautionary basis" .
They shoot them, . 250,000 is the running total so far. Mostly sheep, although all livestock on the farm is destroyed if an outbreak is found.
The latest gov't move is a cull of all sheep that may have come into contact with the virus at certain markets. Or passed thru certain sheep dealers hands.
In northern England and southern Scotland, all animals (of the cloven hoofed varieties) within a three kilometre zone around outbreaks will be destroyed on a "precautionary basis" .
Apparently any European wishing to enter the US at the moment has to be "disenfected' on entry. I'd love to know what the world's most infamous customs officers have up their sleave for that.
*Images of Brits and Italians being herded into warehouses, stripped and showered with chemicals by men in white coats*
*Images of Brits and Italians being herded into warehouses, stripped and showered with chemicals by men in white coats*
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Just as information...
I was talking with our vet friend the other day about this. I was curious about whey the US hasn't had F&M since 1929 and it turns out that the US is incredibly strict about where livestock comes from. This outbreak in the UK is suspected of originating in South Africa. The virus is so virulent that it can travel 30 miles on the air, on feet, on tyres, clothes, slaughtered carcasses, etc. We are banned from walking in the country ($8,000 fine). It's turned up in France as well with six or seven confirmed cases. It's a nightmare and will be devestating to farmers...not to mention the livestock. Farms are so close together and there are so few abotoirs (slaughter houses) that the disease got quite a chance to spread before it was noticed.
What a mess.
I was talking with our vet friend the other day about this. I was curious about whey the US hasn't had F&M since 1929 and it turns out that the US is incredibly strict about where livestock comes from. This outbreak in the UK is suspected of originating in South Africa. The virus is so virulent that it can travel 30 miles on the air, on feet, on tyres, clothes, slaughtered carcasses, etc. We are banned from walking in the country ($8,000 fine). It's turned up in France as well with six or seven confirmed cases. It's a nightmare and will be devestating to farmers...not to mention the livestock. Farms are so close together and there are so few abotoirs (slaughter houses) that the disease got quite a chance to spread before it was noticed.
What a mess.
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I smell burning fur! I heard about this on the news last night.... ugh.
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Hey CD... nice to see you again!
As for the burning livestock and "precautionary measures"... from what I've heard, I'm sure that shooting these animals is a far better and much more humane way of killing it than letting its muscles freeze up until it can't do anything except wonder what the fuck happened to it until it then starves or its heart stops or something. (I don't quite know what happens, but I'm sure it's a horrible death.)
Furthermore, better it than me. Don't get me wrong, I love animals as much as the next person, BUT I love people more. I'd much rather that "precautionary measures" be taken than human lives be taken.
As for the burning livestock and "precautionary measures"... from what I've heard, I'm sure that shooting these animals is a far better and much more humane way of killing it than letting its muscles freeze up until it can't do anything except wonder what the fuck happened to it until it then starves or its heart stops or something. (I don't quite know what happens, but I'm sure it's a horrible death.)
Furthermore, better it than me. Don't get me wrong, I love animals as much as the next person, BUT I love people more. I'd much rather that "precautionary measures" be taken than human lives be taken.
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Can't they do anything with them besides burn them?
Can't they make glue out of'em or somethin'?
Can't they make glue out of'em or somethin'?
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Sort of gives you another reason to not eat red meat...
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Re: Can't they do anything with them besides burn them?
I know!! We can grind 'em up and feed 'em to the healthy ones!
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I know!! We can grind 'em up and feed 'em to the healthy ones!
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Humans cannot catch this disease, nor horses , nor dogs etc. It only affects the cloven footed animals, sheep, cows, deer, pigs etc.Myst said:
Ironically, there is a perfectly good vaccine against this disease. But since Europe is officially classified as a foot and mouth free area, we're not allowed to use it.
Because there is no way of telling the antibodies that the vaccine produces in the animal, from the antibodies that the disease itself produces. And so know way of proving that the meat actually does come from a foot and mouth free zone.
So if we vaccinated, to keep the disease out. We would lose our disease free status. Catch 22 huh
Myrrdin said:
Actually F&M disease is a smae dirivitive disease as Jacob's crutch{sp} Disease and altimers{sp} and MS.
Also by burning the animals in the open make it easier to spread to cross species i.e. to humans and does make a normaly non motile disease an airborne threat.
But the Government who loves you and wants whats in your best interest will not tell you about that.
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Myrrdin said:
I know that... Joke.. Ha Ha...
I was making a joke of the fact that mad cow disease was originally caused by feeding beef to cows and pork to pigs... they didn't think it would matter. Well, again, that's what I've heard. But I'm not an expert.
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Todd
This virus is most commonly spread in airborne droplets from the animals breath. You shoot it, it stops breathing , no more airborne droplets.
The virus is killed at temperatures above 50 degrees centigrade. Hence you build a big bonfire and cremate.
The causes of Alzheimers, Creutzfeld Jacob Disease and MS are still being researched as far as i'm aware
This virus is most commonly spread in airborne droplets from the animals breath. You shoot it, it stops breathing , no more airborne droplets.
The virus is killed at temperatures above 50 degrees centigrade. Hence you build a big bonfire and cremate.
The causes of Alzheimers, Creutzfeld Jacob Disease and MS are still being researched as far as i'm aware
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No it is not airborne in its natural form. The diseases are all preaon cell based a crystaline cell that takes w hole lot more that 50 degrees to destroy, 50 degrees actually changes the struture making it airborne with out having to be "breathed" out of the animal.
But hey don't Worry the Governement is our friends and wouldn't do anything to harm us, they have our best interest in mind.
The causes for those 3 diseases have been known and there has been a cure since 1973, but remeber again the pharmaceutical companies are our friends and have our best interests in thier minds.
[Edited by Todd on 03-15-2001 at 11:49 AM]
Myrrdin said:
No it is not airborne in its natural form. The diseases are all preaon cell based a crystaline cell that takes w hole lot more that 50 degrees to destroy, 50 degrees actually changes the struture making it airborne with out having to be "breathed" out of the animal.
But hey don't Worry the Governement is our friends and wouldn't do anything to harm us, they have our best interest in mind.
The causes for those 3 diseases have been known and there has been a cure since 1973, but remeber again the pharmaceutical companies are our friends and have our best interests in thier minds.
[Edited by Todd on 03-15-2001 at 11:49 AM]
So cremation kills the virus. As the cows etc. burn and become increasingly 'well done', the meat supply becomes increasingly rare. I wonder what sort of 'medium' the next disease will arrive through?
Think I'll go visit the 'cow tipping' thread for some advice.
Think I'll go visit the 'cow tipping' thread for some advice.
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A bit f****ing rich!!!!!!!!!!!
Todd said:As you come from a continent where incinerating lumps of meat outside over a charcoal grill , seems to be the national pastime. This seems a little hypocritical, to me, to be telling us that it's not healthy.
Or have you been breathing in the BBQ smoke ?
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Re: A bit f****ing rich!!!!!!!!!!!
I never knew there was a Queue at the Bulletin Board. And what's worse it appears to be smoking. Holy Cow! Someone been flaming without due care again?
Myrrdin said:Or have you been breathing in the BBQ smoke ?
I never knew there was a Queue at the Bulletin Board. And what's worse it appears to be smoking. Holy Cow! Someone been flaming without due care again?
Re: A bit f****ing rich!!!!!!!!!!!
Myrrdin said:Todd said:As you come from a continent where incinerating lumps of meat outside over a charcoal grill , seems to be the national pastime. This seems a little hypocritical, to me, to be telling us that it's not healthy.
Or have you been breathing in the BBQ smoke ?
I may barbeque, but you don't see me going and finding the most diseeased pice of meat I can find and grilling it
The customs officers here in Oz will give you a hard time too if you arrive from a F&M country. We don't have it here either. BIG panic the other day when the Brits tried to unload some second hand farm machinery onto a dock at Brisbane. It still had soil on it. You can imagine! They were told to take it back and every single box that was unloaded from that ship was disinfected.
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reality check...
Foot and mouth disease is caused by an extremely virulent virus that can be transmitted by air, surface contamination, and meat products. As someone mentioned, there is a vaccine BUT the vaccine results in the same problems as the disease such as reduced growth rates and reduced milk production. Funny enough, the disease is not generally fatal and runs its course in about three weeks with full recovery, except for the side effects, taking up to a few months. Humans cannot catch it, but they can carry it hence all the justified paranoia about travellers. Burning, I'm told by a local vet, is the best way to ensure the virus is killed. He said they are first covered with disinfectant and then burned. Incidentally, the first outbreak was discovered in a Brentwood abbatoir, which is about five miles from here.
It's true that many herds in the world have endemic infections of F&M disease and they just get on with the disadvantages, but there is a strong motivation to remain disease free...as somebody already mentioned...for both economic and humanitarian reasons (if you can say that about animals that are about to be slaughtered).
Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis is caused by prions (yes there is a test to detect it in animals and a new one for humans in testing stages) which basically devour the brain. There is no known way to "kill" prions because, essentially, they aren't really alive in the first place. It is thought to have evolved from scabies in sheep which had been ground up and added to feed for cattle. Bad idea on hindsight I'd say. Sort of ironic since it's the US that is generally into the low-cost, high-additive feeds. So far, I understand there have been no cases in the US.
Oh...HI!!! Red...good to "see" you! Your book has an ISBN now so it won't be too long! hee hee!
Later guys...time for bed.
Foot and mouth disease is caused by an extremely virulent virus that can be transmitted by air, surface contamination, and meat products. As someone mentioned, there is a vaccine BUT the vaccine results in the same problems as the disease such as reduced growth rates and reduced milk production. Funny enough, the disease is not generally fatal and runs its course in about three weeks with full recovery, except for the side effects, taking up to a few months. Humans cannot catch it, but they can carry it hence all the justified paranoia about travellers. Burning, I'm told by a local vet, is the best way to ensure the virus is killed. He said they are first covered with disinfectant and then burned. Incidentally, the first outbreak was discovered in a Brentwood abbatoir, which is about five miles from here.
It's true that many herds in the world have endemic infections of F&M disease and they just get on with the disadvantages, but there is a strong motivation to remain disease free...as somebody already mentioned...for both economic and humanitarian reasons (if you can say that about animals that are about to be slaughtered).
Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis is caused by prions (yes there is a test to detect it in animals and a new one for humans in testing stages) which basically devour the brain. There is no known way to "kill" prions because, essentially, they aren't really alive in the first place. It is thought to have evolved from scabies in sheep which had been ground up and added to feed for cattle. Bad idea on hindsight I'd say. Sort of ironic since it's the US that is generally into the low-cost, high-additive feeds. So far, I understand there have been no cases in the US.
Oh...HI!!! Red...good to "see" you! Your book has an ISBN now so it won't be too long! hee hee!
Later guys...time for bed.
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