If yuu repeat a lie for fifty years...
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doormouse
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Belegon said:
Hon, I'm not mad.
I flew off the handle, but edited my initial post.
I understand their pressures. I have gone through the bulemia, eating disorders to the stage where I was tested and diagnosed for anorexia only months ago.
I'm really sorry Gauche, I didn't mean to deflame your arguement. It had grounds, and I took it the wrong way. I've just been tense without LDW and worried about him. No excuse, but it is in my book. He's safe, so now I can breathe.
Again, I'm not angry. It's just a sensitive issue with me having to deal with anorexia and fight that lately.
Okay, back into hybernation all happy and snug now I've heard from my baby
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doormouse said:Hon, I'm not mad.
I flew off the handle, but edited my initial post.
I understand their pressures. I have gone through the bulemia, eating disorders to the stage where I was tested and diagnosed for anorexia only months ago.
I'm really sorry Gauche, I didn't mean to deflame your arguement. It had grounds, and I took it the wrong way. I've just been tense without LDW and worried about him. No excuse, but it is in my book. He's safe, so now I can breathe.
Again, I'm not angry. It's just a sensitive issue with me having to deal with anorexia and fight that lately.
Okay, back into hybernation all happy and snug now I've hard from my baby
I said it in the other thread but I'll repeat here how glad I am LDW is safe...
DM, given that you have been through it, I was probably even MORE preaching to the choir. It is just so ridiculous. But it is not going away any time soon. I have dated women from petite to plump and they were all wonderful.
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I don’t care squat about the Miss America Pageant or World or even Universe pageants, but I do know a bit about industry pressures — in times of distress I have been known to seriously (well, sort of) consider breast augmentation.
Perhaps that’s why I love the Robinson’s (Spider & Jeanne) books Stardance, Starseed, and Starmind about Shara, a brilliantly talented dancer whose career is limited by her statuesque body.
Just a warning, these books are science fiction.
Spider Robinson is probably most famous for his “Callahan's Crosstime Saloon” series.
Perhaps that’s why I love the Robinson’s (Spider & Jeanne) books Stardance, Starseed, and Starmind about Shara, a brilliantly talented dancer whose career is limited by her statuesque body.
Just a warning, these books are science fiction.
Spider Robinson is probably most famous for his “Callahan's Crosstime Saloon” series.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: It is nice to see the media finally depict the "waif look" in a more negative light. This past week I picked up an issue of "In Touch" and "People," and even flipped through some of the the more popular fashion magazines. Much to my suprise, the articles were actually APPLAUDING weight gain in certain stars (as opposed to mocking it as they have in the past,) and high percentage of the models appeared to be of a more realistic body weight.
I don't think they should necessarily discriminate by not allowing those of a naturally smaller frame to model and compete in these contests, but I do think it is about time that younger girls, older women, (and yes, even males too) were influenced by more than one standard.
Sorry for the jack.
I don't think they should necessarily discriminate by not allowing those of a naturally smaller frame to model and compete in these contests, but I do think it is about time that younger girls, older women, (and yes, even males too) were influenced by more than one standard.
Sorry for the jack.
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DoorMouse
I love you just the way you are! Don't change a thing.
Petite is Sweet and Neat.
I love you just the way you are! Don't change a thing.
Petite is Sweet and Neat.
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Now, here's what swim suit competition should be about
From RateMyCamelToe.com
OH, CANADA!
From RateMyCamelToe.com
OH, CANADA!
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Miss Gibraltar
My father was a judge for the Miss Gibraltar contest of 1954 (I think '54).
He remembered it as one of his better days. Even then he was older than the contestants' fathers.
1954 was significant. Gibraltar was celebrating 250 years of British rule.
2004 - 300 years of British rule and another Miss Gibraltar:
http://www.missgibraltar.gi/
Og
My father was a judge for the Miss Gibraltar contest of 1954 (I think '54).
He remembered it as one of his better days. Even then he was older than the contestants' fathers.
1954 was significant. Gibraltar was celebrating 250 years of British rule.
2004 - 300 years of British rule and another Miss Gibraltar:
http://www.missgibraltar.gi/
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Re: Miss Gibraltar
That's probably the most Swedish name I have seen on a foreigner, ever.
Anyway, cute. A little skinny, but cute.
Anyway, a population of 30,000 should be enough. I grew up in a 20k city. And there were enough pageant age beauties there to make my puberty really frustrating.
#L
Miss Gibraltar 2004 - Helen Gustafsonoggbashan said:
That's probably the most Swedish name I have seen on a foreigner, ever.
Anyway, cute. A little skinny, but cute.
Did you say that she went to the miss America finals? Thought Gibraltar was kindof British?
Anyway, a population of 30,000 should be enough. I grew up in a 20k city. And there were enough pageant age beauties there to make my puberty really frustrating.
#L
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If you ask me, it's all about the Benjamines.
They changed the rules so they could get this contract. They probably also figure they'll get more viewers, which will add up to more $$$ for ad time.
Do you know that Miss America once selected can not apear in public wearing a bathingsuit for the entire year of her reign? And of course she must always present herself as a *lady*
*by 1920's standards of course
They changed the rules so they could get this contract. They probably also figure they'll get more viewers, which will add up to more $$$ for ad time.
Do you know that Miss America once selected can not apear in public wearing a bathingsuit for the entire year of her reign? And of course she must always present herself as a *lady*
*by 1920's standards of course
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I was going to say, it's just as bad to be rude to skinny girls as it is to be rude to big girls.
Beauty comes in all sizes. and besides, there's a hell of a lot more to us than just our looks.
I have a lot of heavy friends and they sometimes pick on me as the 'skinny bitch'-- that's fine between them and me as long as they can take it equally. For those who don't know me, to judge me disfavorably because I'm small is just rude and not diserving of my respect.
doormouse said:That is just so fucking grotesque and UNfunny.
Some of us are born that way. Some of us can't help our build. Some of us WISH we could be plump just to rid ourselves of the fucking 'skinny' label.
Edit: Okay, I've edited my abuse
It just touched a nerve, sorry.
Going back to my hole to hibernate.
I was going to say, it's just as bad to be rude to skinny girls as it is to be rude to big girls.
Beauty comes in all sizes. and besides, there's a hell of a lot more to us than just our looks.
I have a lot of heavy friends and they sometimes pick on me as the 'skinny bitch'-- that's fine between them and me as long as they can take it equally. For those who don't know me, to judge me disfavorably because I'm small is just rude and not diserving of my respect.
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gauchecritic said:
We love porn, but we're against beaty pagents on principal.
sorry, G. I had to say it.
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Belegon said:
Intersting, I would *love* to know what y'all think of the Barbi Twins.http://www.celebrityposters.bz/item_img/B/2/B-22030.jpg
http://www.askmen.co.uk/imagesvote/2001_apr/famous_twins/barbie_twins.jpg
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Re: DoorMouse
I know.
MagicFingers said:
I know.
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sweetnpetite said:We love porn, but we're against beaty pagents on principal.
sorry, G. I had to say it.
I'm not against beauty pageants on principle -- just the continuing hypocrisy of claiming for fifty years that "it's not really about beauty, it's about brains."
I do have some philosophical problems with Beauty pageants in general -- mostly because of the "preliminaries" that can result in tragedies like Jon Benet Ramsey -- and the "standardization of Beauty" they cause.
But I have no problems at all with adult women entering pageant to show off their bodies (or brains).
Re: The Barbi twins -- they're OK, but not really my type. Mostly I think of them as a "side-show act."
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Re: Re: Miss Gibraltar
Miss Gibraltar goes to the Miss World contest presumably competing against the winner of Miss America.
Gibraltar isn't 'kindof British'. It is MORE British than the Brits. Spain wants it back. They tried by military force in the 18th century but lost. They have been trying to get it back by political means ever since. The population voted under a UN poll to stay British by about 99%. The 1% probably didn't understand the question.
Og
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Miss Gibraltar goes to the Miss World contest presumably competing against the winner of Miss America.
Gibraltar isn't 'kindof British'. It is MORE British than the Brits. Spain wants it back. They tried by military force in the 18th century but lost. They have been trying to get it back by political means ever since. The population voted under a UN poll to stay British by about 99%. The 1% probably didn't understand the question.
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Rambling Og
One of our friends is a very petite lady, about MathGirl's size and build if not slightly shorter and lighter.
When I first met her, I found it difficult at first to think of her as an adult woman. She bought her clothes in children's shops because no woman's dress department had clothes to fit her.
I am large and heavy, yet the shortest adult male in my family. My eldest daughter suffered as I did as a child - because of our size people assumed we were older than our actual age. At 7 years old I was banned from a play park for children under 12. My daughter at 2 years old was taller and heavier than almost all 5 year olds but she behaved like the 2 year old she was, and we got disapproving looks and comments for her 'infantile' behaviour.
Our friend suffered the opposite. At 21 no one would take her seriously and on public transport she was expected to travel on a child's ticket yet she had graduated with a good degree and had a supervisory job.
Now she is working in local government as a head of department with over 100 staff and a large budget. I know that she is good at her job and she will always give me sound advice within her expertise if I need it.
Our friend may still be petite and lightweight yet her brains and expertise are valuable. Even now she suffers ridicule when she goes to conferences. She usually takes one or two of her staff with her and can get annoyed when people assume that the men with her are her bosses and she is just their secretary. She has had to develop strategies for dealing with other people's prejudices - why should she have to?
Years ago one of my bosses gave me a confidential annual appraisal which said among other things 'Built like an old-style London policeman and has the brains of a neanderthal to match'. I wondered why I wasn't being considered for promotion when I was better at my job than my colleagues, used to sort out everyone else's errors, had responsibilities for training others, and covered my boss's work when she was away. Her perception of me was skewed by my size, just as our friend's size skews people's perception of her abilities. Both of us have survived the prejudices but they can hurt.
Beauty Contests:
Locally, our town has a carnival queen and princesses. They are usually about 16 or 17 years old and are chosen not just for their looks but for their characters. For the past 25 years I have met many of them in my various official capacities. During their year of office they visit hospitals, old people's homes, schools and open fetes, bazaars etc. They have all worked hard for the community and for what? A small cheque, a couple of dresses, and some free hairdressing. They represent our town in other towns' carnivals and are ambassadors for us in our twin towns in France and Germany. Our carnival queens and princesses are a great asset to our town and I have considerable respect for their attitude to their work. Many of them continue to work for the community long after their year of office ends. For example our 1935 carnival queen is still raising money for charity. Their size and build? What does that matter? Their youth? It doesn't stop them behaving better than many people twice their age. Long may they continue.
Our neighbouring town decided some years ago to restrict their carnival queens and princesses to girls under 12 after a couple of 'scandals' with older girls. They act just as sensibly as ours. Part of the duties of our representatives is to look after the younger girls from the next town when they are at the same events.
I wish there was a similar contest for the boys. It was tried a few years ago but the boys would not behave as responsibly as the girls. I assume that is because boys of 17 are not as mature as girls of the same age.
Og
PS. My boss's comments came during the year in which I had kicked down a jammed door at the office to release an eight-month pregnant woman and while following instructions during a fire drill to 'hit the fire alarm triangles hard' had knocked two of the three off the wall. At least my triangle banging was heard. On another floor no one evacuated because they didn't hear the alarm.
One of our friends is a very petite lady, about MathGirl's size and build if not slightly shorter and lighter.
When I first met her, I found it difficult at first to think of her as an adult woman. She bought her clothes in children's shops because no woman's dress department had clothes to fit her.
I am large and heavy, yet the shortest adult male in my family. My eldest daughter suffered as I did as a child - because of our size people assumed we were older than our actual age. At 7 years old I was banned from a play park for children under 12. My daughter at 2 years old was taller and heavier than almost all 5 year olds but she behaved like the 2 year old she was, and we got disapproving looks and comments for her 'infantile' behaviour.
Our friend suffered the opposite. At 21 no one would take her seriously and on public transport she was expected to travel on a child's ticket yet she had graduated with a good degree and had a supervisory job.
Now she is working in local government as a head of department with over 100 staff and a large budget. I know that she is good at her job and she will always give me sound advice within her expertise if I need it.
Our friend may still be petite and lightweight yet her brains and expertise are valuable. Even now she suffers ridicule when she goes to conferences. She usually takes one or two of her staff with her and can get annoyed when people assume that the men with her are her bosses and she is just their secretary. She has had to develop strategies for dealing with other people's prejudices - why should she have to?
Years ago one of my bosses gave me a confidential annual appraisal which said among other things 'Built like an old-style London policeman and has the brains of a neanderthal to match'. I wondered why I wasn't being considered for promotion when I was better at my job than my colleagues, used to sort out everyone else's errors, had responsibilities for training others, and covered my boss's work when she was away. Her perception of me was skewed by my size, just as our friend's size skews people's perception of her abilities. Both of us have survived the prejudices but they can hurt.
Beauty Contests:
Locally, our town has a carnival queen and princesses. They are usually about 16 or 17 years old and are chosen not just for their looks but for their characters. For the past 25 years I have met many of them in my various official capacities. During their year of office they visit hospitals, old people's homes, schools and open fetes, bazaars etc. They have all worked hard for the community and for what? A small cheque, a couple of dresses, and some free hairdressing. They represent our town in other towns' carnivals and are ambassadors for us in our twin towns in France and Germany. Our carnival queens and princesses are a great asset to our town and I have considerable respect for their attitude to their work. Many of them continue to work for the community long after their year of office ends. For example our 1935 carnival queen is still raising money for charity. Their size and build? What does that matter? Their youth? It doesn't stop them behaving better than many people twice their age. Long may they continue.
Our neighbouring town decided some years ago to restrict their carnival queens and princesses to girls under 12 after a couple of 'scandals' with older girls. They act just as sensibly as ours. Part of the duties of our representatives is to look after the younger girls from the next town when they are at the same events.
I wish there was a similar contest for the boys. It was tried a few years ago but the boys would not behave as responsibly as the girls. I assume that is because boys of 17 are not as mature as girls of the same age.
Og
PS. My boss's comments came during the year in which I had kicked down a jammed door at the office to release an eight-month pregnant woman and while following instructions during a fire drill to 'hit the fire alarm triangles hard' had knocked two of the three off the wall. At least my triangle banging was heard. On another floor no one evacuated because they didn't hear the alarm.
