Illicit Substances in Stories and Posts?

[Encaea]

I posted this in general and was advised to bring it here instead. I was just wondering whether references to illicit substances (consensual, recreational, NOT like date rape.) are permitted in either stories or forum posts.

Also, whether or not there are rules against drug references, I'm curious whether you as writers/readers would react positively, negatively, or ambivalently if you came across it.

 

[onehitwanda]

Not something I've ever indulged in, not something I'd ever want to indulge in. Would probably put me off a story, but that's my on personal preference.

Where you might run foul of Lit* rules is that recreational drug use is illegal in the United States, and Lit* tends to bar content that can be defined as illegal.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I see drug references all over the place, both explicit and referential, casual use and non-con. As far as I can tell, there's no rule against it.
While I'm personally not a fan of it, I have used drugs in at least on of my stories as a point of conflict for the MC; Summer to Remember.

 

[jaF0]

To that end, we DO NOT publish works of any type featuring the following content:

> Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States.


https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines

 

[1nut1der]

I posted a story in the Fetish category about heavy cocaine and alcohol use and it was received pretty well, 4.77 after 15 months. I've read quite a few drug use stories here, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[SimonDoom]

I posted this in general and was advised to bring it here instead. I was just wondering whether references to illicit substances (consensual, recreational, NOT like date rape.) are permitted in either stories or forum posts.

Also, whether or not there are rules against drug references, I'm curious whether you as writers/readers would react positively, negatively, or ambivalently if you came across it.

There's no rule against this. The site posts its content rules. There is no rule against including illicit drug use in a story.

I completely disagree with what @onehitwanda said. There is NO general rule at Lit against stories that include illegal content. Lit is just fine with stories that include murder, robbery, drug use, incest, you name it. It has rules which limit the way some of these activities can be presented in an erotic manner. You can write a story that includes murder, but you cannot write a story that presents murder as erotic, i.e., snuff.

But to my knowledge there's no such rule relating to drugs. If you want to present drug use in a way that makes it seem erotic, I think that's OK. The only possible problem would be if the drug use presents a nonconsensual situation, and the participant in the situation does NOT enjoy the experience. That runs afoul of the nonconsent rule.

My personal reaction? It all depends on how the story is written. I could imagine a good story that involves illicit drug use even if it's not my cup of tea in my day to day life.

 

[SimonDoom]

To that end, we DO NOT publish works of any type featuring the following content:

> Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States.


https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines

The two keys to this passage are the words "advocate" and "non-fictional." Quite obviously, the Site does not intend to say that merely depicting certain activities in a story is equivalent to advocating them. Otherwise, there would be no non-consent category and no incest category.
I suppose if you wrote a tale that intertwined drug use and eroticism in a way that came across as preaching that people "out there" in the real world should use fetanyl or methamphetamine it might run afoul of this rule, but that doesn't seem to be what the OP is saying at all.

If we were to take seriously the idea that one can't write stories that incorporate illegal activity then we'd have to scrap about half of Shakespeare's plays and a similar percentage of all the Western literary canon. Obviously, the rule can't mean that.

 

[Encaea]

Brilliant! Thanks, everyone. I've been pondering some gonzo style narrative or stream of consciousness, but without drugs, much of the characters' behavior would seem largely nonsensical.

 

[onehitwanda]

There's no rule against this. The site posts its content rules. There is no rule against including illicit drug use in a story.

I completely disagree with what @onehitwanda said. There is NO general rule at Lit against stories that include illegal content. Lit is just fine with stories that include murder, robbery, drug use, incest, you name it. It has rules which limit the way some of these activities can be presented in an erotic manner. You can write a story that includes murder, but you cannot write a story that presents murder as erotic, i.e., snuff.

But to my knowledge there's no such rule relating to drugs. If you want to present drug use in a way that makes it seem erotic, I think that's OK. The only possible problem would be if the drug use presents a nonconsensual situation, and the participant in the situation does NOT enjoy the experience. That runs afoul of the nonconsent rule.

My personal reaction? It all depends on how the story is written. I could imagine a good story that involves illicit drug use even if it's not my cup of tea in my day to day life.

I consider myself spanked.

 

[SimonDoom]

I consider myself spanked.

If only I were so lucky.

 

[krystalg]

On a personal note, I have no issues with responsible recreational drug usage, including alcohol, in stories. However, when it is used as a plot device to surreptitiously lower resistance or circumvent consent, it abhors me. My current WIP involves some heavy drinking and edibles consumption, but consent and intent are established before these things occur. Letting loose and going crazy, in my opinion, is sexy; trickery, force, and taking advantage are not.

These are my personal tastes, and others have differing points of view, all as equally valid as my opinion.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I consider myself spanked.

Damn, and I missed it. When did tickets go on sale?

 

[Encaea]

On a personal note, I have no issues with responsible recreational drug usage, including alcohol, in stories. However, when it is used as a plot device to surreptitiously lower resistance or circumvent consent, it abhors me. My current WIP involves some heavy drinking and edibles consumption, but consent and intent are established before these things occur. Letting loose and going crazy, in my opinion, is sexy; trickery, force, and taking advantage are not.

These are my personal tastes, and others have differing points of view, all as equally valid as my opinion.

Eep. Yeah, I'm of precisely that opinion myself. I hope my query did not give any other impression. I hold nothing but contempt for people who ignore the human imperative of consent. Not to say I don't enjoy consensual Non-Consent role-play, but as you said, informed consent has to be "established before these things occur".

 

[OffNSFW]

I think I've portrayed cannabis use in an unambiguously positive light a couple times and never run into any issues. Given that TV and movies are generally allowed to depict drug use without legal consequence, I reckon Literotica is in the clear.

 

[alohadave]

Damn, and I missed it. When did tickets go on sale?

Private show, it's Fetish, not E/V.

 

[SinclairGroupLLP]

I posted this in general and was advised to bring it here instead. I was just wondering whether references to illicit substances (consensual, recreational, NOT like date rape.) are permitted in either stories or forum posts.

Also, whether or not there are rules against drug references, I'm curious whether you as writers/readers would react positively, negatively, or ambivalently if you came across it.

In my series, I have had plenty of drinking, some smoking, weed gummies being used, one of the characters almost getting killed by a roofie overdose, and a guy snorting a line of coke off another guy's cock.

I think it's safe to say you can have just about any illicit substances you want. At least, that's been my experience.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Also, whether or not there are rules against drug references, I'm curious whether you as writers/readers would react positively, negatively, or ambivalently if you came across it.

Drug references and use of drugs in stories are fine. How readers react is going to be influenced by their own views on drugs. But you can't know any of that, so don't worry about it.

 

[mrs_mackenzie]

One of my stories has drug use in it and I don't think it had any kind of negative effect in terms of feedback, maybe a minor one. I got one comment from a reader saying that it wasn't their cup of tea but they still took the time to read and comment so it wasn't an immediate deal-breaker.

A lot of my stories have characters drinking alcohol before sex which I think is a common human experience. Exactly where and when consent is established is not always rigid, but I find the important things are to a. not allow the characters to lose self-control which implies impaired consent and b. show that they don't regret the situation afterwards.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

I have a story that revolves around extacy.

 

[cuckaineAdikt]

i mean all you gotta do is read my username. ...
stories with a lil drug reference are right up my alley.
i feel sexual freedom and substance freedom should be equally accepted in a perfect world.

 

[jehoram]

To that end, we DO NOT publish works of any type featuring the following content:

> Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States.

But where in the US? The laws range from no drugs at all in some states, to medicinal cannabis in others, in any sort of recreational cannabis in still others, and to Psilocybin in at least one state. So there's no blanket rule. And Athalia wrote one story about people ingesting magic mushrooms and having sex under the influence. That must have happened in one of those states where Psilocybin is legal.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

The two keys to this passage are the words "advocate" and "non-fictional." Quite obviously, the Site does not intend to say that merely depicting certain activities in a story is equivalent to advocating them. Otherwise, there would be no non-consent category and no incest category.
I suppose if you wrote a tale that intertwined drug use and eroticism in a way that came across as preaching that people "out there" in the real world should use fetanyl or methamphetamine it might run afoul of this rule, but that doesn't seem to be what the OP is saying at all.

If we were to take seriously the idea that one can't write stories that incorporate illegal activity then we'd have to scrap about half of Shakespeare's plays and a similar percentage of all the Western literary canon. Obviously, the rule can't mean that.

I agree.

A fictional story where meth lab is mentioned would be entirely different from a "How-To" piece on how to make and distribute meth.

 

[Katie_Mae]

But where in the US? The laws range from no drugs at all in some states, to medicinal cannabis in others, in any sort of recreational cannabis in still others, and to Psilocybin in at least one state. So there's no blanket rule. And Athalia wrote one story about people ingesting magic mushrooms and having sex under the influence. That must have happened in one of those states where Psilocybin is legal.

It doesn't matter what state. The example you posted is fiction, so it's fine as per the rules. You're fine to depict illegal activities in stories*, no matter where they're set.

If you're writing a article on "how to get this drug in state xyz even though it's illegal there" then that would be not allowed, it wouldn't matter that it was legal in other places.

Unless you're advocating for people to go out and commit crimes in real life, this rule doesn't apply to you. If you do plan to use lit as a platform to advocate for people to commit real-life crime then you'd probably have a problem no matter what to be honest.

*provided they meet the other content rules, of course.

 

[Voboy]

Brilliant! Thanks, everyone. I've been pondering some gonzo style narrative or stream of consciousness, but without drugs, much of the characters' behavior would seem largely nonsensical.

My earlier stories often included heavy drug content, but it wasn't really received all that well. I'd advise making sure the drug use serves the story directly. I usually used gonzo behavior as a way of showing just how depraved a particular character was, but I wouldn't do that now. I think the weirdest I got was a scene where a couple of women snort a line of coke off a man's erection.

Which makes no sense, really, and certainly wasn't needed in the story! But I liked the image, lol. Now, I'd work harder to make sure there was better justification for it, plot-wise.

 

[jaF0]

So there's no blanket rule.

Most narcotics are outlawed in all 50 states and most other countries around the world.

They should be fully barred from any mention here.

Yes, most violence and intentional infliction of it should also be barred from here.

One highly popular topic here is also illegal in most places, but that one gets funky here because it's almost always done so over the top it has to be fantasy.

Two or three other highly popular topics are more murky, illegal in many places, but legal, or at least condoned in others.