I'm out of here

[Zootonius]

What I like about this thread is it brought out the best wit of Lit authors.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

The Titanic tragedy could have been easily avoided if the interior bulkheads had a gone up higher, if there had been enough lifeboats (that was considered during construction but rejected), if the Californian had a 24-hour wireless operator, if the ship had hit the berg head-on instead of scraping the starboard side, if the engines hadn't been turned off just before the collision so the rudder could have turned more, if it had steel rivets instead of iron ones in the forward part of the hull, if the ice warnings had reached the captain instead of being lost by the wireless operator, etc. 1,500 deaths versus seven.

It wasn't that the lookouts were distracted by Jack and Rose making out. That was fiction.

I had a relative who perished on the Empress of Ireland in the St. Lawrence River in May of 1914. Over a thousand lives were lost when the ship was broadsided by a Norwegian collier, even though the compartments were meant to be watertight.

There was fireman aboard that ship, a William Clark, who amazingly survived both the sinking of the Titanic and the Empress of Ireland.

 

[Euphony]

Sorry, I missed responding to this a while ago. So I know absolutely nothing about "the delicate pre-hand negotiation REAL non-con players MUST navigate." When I just make it up, it seems to turn into comedy; the woman will have exacting specifications, and the skeptical man will go along to please her.

One of these ladies wants him to pull a real switchblade knife on her, and she knows someone who can lend them one.

He says, "So a plastic knife from a toy store is just not good enough, I guess."

She replies, "No, it seems more authentic this way."

It only seems comedic through the lens of idealized erotic fiction, where everyone is clairvoyant, every thing they try ends up being the missing piece of their sex life, and nothing goes sideways ever.

I get it. One of the great siren's calls of fiction is getting to suspend belief for a while.

Too many used this as an excuse to write beyond the rules.

Though a rare occurrence, I do empathize from time to time with an author who needs the device to tell their story properly. (not as clear titillation)

I've had to go off-site or keep some works unpublished because they needed to exist but never met a proper home.

For some their egos can't handle being told no in any capacity and we get long winded debates on rights, artistic licence, censorship, etc. as a disguise for what is really at the heart of the matter.

 

[Duleigh]

I had a relative who perished on the Empress of Ireland in the St. Lawrence River in May of 1914. Over a thousand lives were lost when the ship was broadsided by a Norwegian collier, even though the compartments were meant to be watertight.

There was fireman aboard that ship, a William Clark, who amazingly survived both the sinking of the Titanic and the Empress of Ireland.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I had a relative who perished on the Empress of Ireland in the St. Lawrence River in May of 1914. Over a thousand lives were lost when the ship was broadsided by a Norwegian collier, even though the compartments were meant to be watertight.

There was fireman aboard that ship, a William Clark, who amazingly survived both the sinking of the Titanic and the Empress of Ireland.

Wow, somebody brought up The Empress of Ireland! Good for you; I bet there are very few people in either the U.S. or Canada who have heard of it. The watertight compartment idea has failed in other post-Titanic disasters..

I don't think I've heard the William Clark story before. I wonder what he thought when he realized it was happening again.

 

[gunhilltrain]

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Duleigh, thanks for the photo!

 

[Smuttyandfun]

Wow, somebody brought up The Empress of Ireland! Good for you; I bet there are very few people in either the U.S. or Canada who have heard of it. The watertight compartment idea has failed in other post-Titanic disasters..

I don't think I've heard the William Clark story before. I wonder what he thought when he realized it was happening again.

I think he decided not to head out to sea again, once he'd made it onto dry land. I heard he was on another ship disaster, but I'm not sure if that's true.

My relative was with a group heading to England. From the what the family says, she was crushed in her bunk, hopefully in her sleep, so she never had a chance to get up on deck to try to be rescued.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

I've never seen a picture of the boat before.

I was in contact with someone who wrote a book about the disaster, but he said he didn't have a complete list of everyone who died.

 

[Duleigh]

Wow, somebody brought up The Empress of Ireland! Good for you; I bet there are very few people in either the U.S. or Canada who have heard of it.

It's been a long time, we used to vacation in the Thousand Isles and took the tour boats and the Empress was mentioned on each one but that was a very long time ago.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

It's been a long time, we used to vacation in the Thousand Isles and took the tour boats and the Empress was mentioned on each one but that was a very long time ago.

I've been investigating my family tree since I was a kid. As you can imagine I was surprised when my grandfather mentioned about the family losing a member on the Empress, since I had never even heard of it.

 

[gunhilltrain]

It only seems comedic through the lens of idealized erotic fiction, where everyone is clairvoyant, every thing they try ends up being the missing piece of their sex life, and nothing goes sideways ever.

I get it. One of the great siren's calls of fiction is getting to suspend belief for a while.

Too many used this as an excuse to write beyond the rules.

Though a rare occurrence, I do empathize from time to time with an author who needs the device to tell their story properly. (not as clear titillation)

I've had to go off-site or keep some works unpublished because they needed to exist but never met a proper home.

For some their egos can't handle being told no in any capacity and we get long winded debates on rights, artistic licence, censorship, etc. as a disguise for what is really at the heart of the matter.

You are taking this a bit too literally. So, I made it up; so what? I don't think it pushes the Lit rules at all. So, the two people have some fun with it (as they do in the rest of the story). What other people write here is their business, and it's up to Lit to police them - which they don't have time to do properly, I would agree with that. Yeah, we all write erotic fiction here with varying motivations and results. It can get rather messy at times.

 

[Duleigh]

I've been investigating my family tree since I was a kid. As you can imagine I was surprised when my grandfather mentioned about the family losing a member on the Empress, since I had never even heard of it.

Here's the collier that hit her the SS Stornstad. Yes the Empress had water tight compartments but they aren't worth a damn if you don't close the doors

 

[gunhilltrain]

I've been investigating my family tree since I was a kid. As you can imagine I was surprised when my grandfather mentioned about the family losing a member on the Empress, since I had never even heard of it.

I have knew about it because, in addition to the train thing, I have a ship thing going to. And a bit of an airplane thing. (Hi Duleigh; ex-Air Force. Or is it like the Marines, you are one for life?) Motor vehicles too.
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Golf; not so much.

 

[Euphony]

You are taking this a bit too literally. So, I made it up; so what? I don't think it pushes the Lit rules at all. So, the two people have some fun with it (as they do in the rest of the story.) What other people write is their business, and it's up to Lit to police them - which they don't have time to do properly, I would agree with that. Yeah, we all write erotic fiction here with varying motivations and results. It can get rather messy at times.

Or are you personalizing a typical hypothetical I threw out as broad example? (we've interacted enough I hope you don't so quickly assume I'm so dumb?)

Your scenario was comical enough as to not read as a serious idea nor something someone would pitch as censorship.

What you wrote is a negotiation which 99.99% of the complaints never include b/c it disrupts the actual motivation for its absence, titillation fueled by prohibited (here) themes.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Here's the collier that hit her the SS Stornstad. Yes the Empress had water tight compartments but they aren't worth a damn if you don't close the doors

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With the Britannic (Titanic's newer sister), the explosion from the floating mine warped some of the doors so they couldn't close all the way. I don't know what happened with The Lusitania, but it sank in 18 minutes. What went wrong in this case, why didn't they close the doors? Not enough time?

Look what GTO Racer ultimately wrought on this thread.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Or are you personalizing a typical hypothetical I threw out as broad example? (we've interacted enough I hope you don't so quickly assume I'm so dumb?)

Your scenario was comical enough as to not read as a serious idea nor something someone would pitch as censorship.

What you wrote is a negotiation which 99.99% of the complaints never include b/c it disrupts the actual motivation for its absence, titillation fueled by prohibited (here) themes.

I think I'm done with this. Didn't we agree to something like that before on here? No harm, no foul, if that is okay with you.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

The other side of my family has interesting history, too. A Count deLesseps married into my family. He was a contemporary of the Wright Brothers, and he was the first man to fly a plane over Canada. His wife (my relative) was the first woman to fly in a plane over Canada. He died mapping the Gaspe in Quebec, and there is a monument erected to remember him there.

His father Ferdinand, also Count de Lesseps started the Panama Canal, and developed and successfully completed the Suez Canal.

Her father was William MacKenzie was a railway entrepreneur, who was later knighted by the Queen.

I was at a barbecue, where I had done some research for a few friends. One friend's ancestor was in finance and insurance. Another one's ancestor was a cattle baron. And my relative was in the railway business. I discovered my ancestor shipped her ancestor's beef and the other one's ancestor financed it.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

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Thanks for the two pictures, I've never seen them before. It makes it seem more real when the see the ship before it all happened.

 

[Euphony]

I think I'm done with this. Didn't we agree to something like that before on here? No harm, no foul, if that is okay with you.

I don't remember anything (your posts are often very clarifying to topic at hand) but sure, no sense in drama where there is none.

I do so loathe the n/c topic. It seems to create frictions with people who rarely have troubles with anybody.

 

[Duleigh]

With the Britannic (Titanic's newer sister), the explosion from the floating mine warped some of the doors so they couldn't close all the way. I don't know what happened with The Lusitania, but it sank in 18 minutes. What went wrong in this case, why didn't they close the doors? Not enough time?

Look what GTO Racer ultimately wrought on this thread.

It appears that they couldn't get to them. The Titanic could close the doors remotely from the bridge with a single switch, on the Empress, an older ship, they had to be closed manually. They were T-boned by the Storstad and when the Storstad got pushed away by the current from the St. Lawrence, a huge hole was opened to the ocean.

GTO racer is probably watching and weeping "This is supposed to be about ME!"

 

[Smuttyandfun]

I know. I think we've hijacked his thread.

It's sad to think that so many people drowned just because of the design of the ship. I know it happened near Rimouski, Quebec. Quite a few of them are buried in Toronto, which is where a lot of them started from, on their way to England.

 

[gunhilltrain]

It appears that they couldn't get to them. The Titanic could close the doors remotely from the bridge with a single switch, on the Empress, an older ship, they had to be closed manually. They were T-boned by the Storstad and when the Storstad got pushed away by the current from the St. Lawrence, a huge hole was opened to the ocean.

GTO racer is probably watching and weeping "This is supposed to be about ME!"

Thanks. I only knew about the Titanic, and I saw the switches being flipped. (A Night to Remember is the best version.)

I don't know what was up with that guy. He's got this on his profile. "I do have another story that is posted to a different site that was posted there purposely because it was definitely against the rules here."

Well, dude, there's your answer. I do that too! It's not a big fucking deal!

 

[gunhilltrain]

I know. I think we've highjacked his thread.

It's sad to think that so many people drowned just because of the design of the ship. I know it happened near Rimouski, Quebec. Quite a few of them are buried in Toronto, which is where a lot of them started from, on their way to England.

With GTO Racer, I feel no guilt about hijacking his thread.

That must be one of Henry's girlfriends at the beginning. Age restricted! Just click the YouTube link. No trucks were harmed in the filming of this video.

 

[Smuttyandfun]

The other side of my family has interesting history, too. A Count deLesseps married into my family. He was a contemporary of the Wright Brothers, and he was the first man to fly a plane over Canada. His wife (my relative) was the first woman to fly in a plane over Canada. He died mapping the Gaspe in Quebec, and there is a monument erected to remember him there.

His father Ferdinand, also Count de Lesseps started the Panama Canal, and developed and successfully completed the Suez Canal.

Her father was William MacKenzie was a railway entrepreneur, who was later knighted by the Queen.

I was at a barbecue, where I had done some research for a few friends. One friend's ancestor was in finance and insurance. Another one's ancestor was a cattle baron. And my relative was in the railway business. I discovered my ancestor shipped her ancestor's beef and the other one's ancestor financed it.

I should mention, my direct line were just ordinary people who mostly farmed. They just happened to have some relatives who were more successful.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

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I will have a look for that. There’s some really good stuff on YouTube about obscure shipwrecks and stuff. I’m sure there’ll be summat there.