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BoyNextDoor said:
There is nothing bullshit about it. That was how my family happened to get here. Do you know what a metaphor is? How you and yours got here makes no difference. You got here from somewhere else. Just like everybody else.

We all emigrated from somewhere and immigrated here. Get off your fucking high horse and listen up.
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Whoa, that's fucking deep, bro! You're right. My bad. Thanks for thoughtfully addressing all of my points and congratulations on single-handedly fixing America.
 
BoyNextDoor said:
Seriously?
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Seriously, I didn't immigrate. No green card.....natural born citizen...family tree goes back further than records, probably along the lines of thousands of years and hundreds or even thousands of generations in the PNW.....you??
 
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Phelia said:
Whoa, that's fucking deep, bro! You're right. My bad. Thanks for thoughtfully addressing all of my points and congratulations on single-handedly fixing America.
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I addressed all your points. They amount to "There are a lot of different reasons that people emigrated and immigrated". I wholeheartedly agree.

It took amending the constitution to grant amnesty for some and in other cases, like in 1986, it took letting people that got to the US enjoy citizenship since they were already proving their commitment to civic responsibility, by granting them amnesty.
 
BotanyBoy said:
Seriously, I didn't immigrate. No green card.....natural born citizen...family tree goes back further than records, probably along the lines of thousands of years and hundreds or even thousands of generations in the PNW.....you??
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Not you. Your lineage.
 
Phelia said:
Yep, "really." If your point is that you want it to be easier for people to come to the US, super. Say that. This: "My ancestors floated over here on a boat and got amnesty. So did yours." Is some bullshit. First, 13% of the current American population was born outside of the US (which is around what it was in 1860, for what it's worth). Another 2% are American Indians or Alaska Natives, so already your statement is excluding about 15% of the country. I also think it's a little bit of a stretch to lump being forcibly transported against your will as human property and finally being granted the right to count as an actual person as "floating over here on a boat" and getting amnesty, but what do I know. You were trying to fit everyone inside of your box, and yes, it's white.

More than that, though, I'm responding to how arrogant you're being considering how sophomoric and ridiculous your point is. If you're suggesting open borders, you should probably steer away from the meaningless proclamations and lean on a few of the economists who claim it could have a dramatic and positive effect on global wages on a macro scale. That could be worth talking about.

I'd still disagree with you, though, because it would be absurd to make such a radical policy shift with no idea of how this would influence the wages of America's lower middle class and working poor, not to mention the possibility of a brain drain in developing countries.

"Really."
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BotanyBoy said:
And you support total free for all immigration?
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Build a wall for only the purpose of making everyone that wants in, to sign the book. Not to keep them out.

And that means everyone. No more undocumented entry from here on out. And for the people that already squeaked in, they get a work visa. And a quick path to citizenship. And not a shitty path. A quick and painless path only for the purpose of documenting them.
 
I for one would love to visit, but stay? No way.
I am moving to UK, I think they are better off.
 
BoyNextDoor said:
Build a wall for only the purpose of making everyone that wants in, to sign the book. Not to keep them out.

And that means everyone. No more undocumented entry from here on out. And for the people that already squeaked in, they get a work visa. And a quick path to citizenship. And not a shitty path. A quick and painless path only for the purpose of documenting them.
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Wow. I rarely see libertarians on this. I'm all for us finding a better system than we have but not free for all. I'm also for us giving the Statue of Liberty back to France until we are once again ready to live up to the quote on it.
 
Phelia said:
Yep, "really." If your point is that you want it to be easier for people to come to the US, super. Say that. This: "My ancestors floated over here on a boat and got amnesty. So did yours." Is some bullshit. First, 13% of the current American population was born outside of the US (which is around what it was in 1860, for what it's worth). Another 2% are American Indians or Alaska Natives, so already your statement is excluding about 15% of the country. I also think it's a little bit of a stretch to lump being forcibly transported against your will as human property and finally being granted the right to count as an actual person as "floating over here on a boat" and getting amnesty, but what do I know. You were trying to fit everyone inside of your box, and yes, it's white.

More than that, though, I'm responding to how arrogant you're being considering how sophomoric and ridiculous your point is. If you're suggesting open borders, you should probably steer away from the meaningless proclamations and lean on a few of the economists who claim it could have a dramatic and positive effect on global wages on a macro scale. That could be worth talking about.

I'd still disagree with you, though, because it would be absurd to make such a radical policy shift with no idea of how this would influence the wages of America's lower middle class and working poor, not to mention the possibility of a brain drain in developing countries.

"Really."
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Reasons to love you #165.
 
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