Immortality

Would you accept immortality?

  • Yesssss

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Noooooo

    Votes: 11 35.5%
  • Myaaaaabe

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Big Ass Titties

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Dolf

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • Ice Cream Sundaes

    Votes: 5 16.1%

  • Total voters
    31
Beats taking a chance that hell is real.
I'm pretty sure the whole GB would be tossed in as a group.
You know~a deal breaker.

Speak for yourself! I don't know about you cunts but I plan on going to Heaven. I just have to stop eating shellfish and wearing mixed blends and having sex with women.

Wait.

Yeah nah, you're right. Bags riding shotgun. :(
 
There is still generational ships. If a sub can stay submerged for almost a year. In 200-500 years we should be able to build starships that can go 10 years in space at least. Alpha Centauri is only 4.5 ly a way or so. Some sort of ion drive or particle spewing engine of sorts could do the trick.

But you can only accelerate for half the distance and then must flip over to decelerate.

Not impossible!

I read an article which says that at the current rate of technological advancement we should be able to colonize the whole galaxy in 500,000 years. We can learn how by colonizing asteroids and suitable planets and moons in the next 500 or so.

We just need to think really long term. Which humans are not good at.

Intersolar may all that we require in the short term. Say 50,000 years.

The article that said to colonize the galaxy in 500k years was theorizing we may be alone in galaxy at least or someone else would have colonized the galaxy already.

Faster than light is impossible. When you do the e=mc2 equation when you get to the speed of light you end up dividing by zero. You can't divide by zero it is unsolvable. E=MC2 is the simplified equation without units.

Warp drive gets around that by shortening the distance not increasing speed. You warp spacetime and then cross from one wave crest to another. It's a cheat in a way.

This is the point which the vast majority of people do not get. Faster than light travel is not merely scientifically impossible, it is mathematically impossible.


So how is it that you missed it? The "current rate of technological advancement" is irrelevant to suspending the laws of mathematics. As for warping spacetime:

The Alcubierre drive or Alcubierre warp drive (or Alcubierre metric, referring to metric tensor) is a speculative idea based on a solution of Einstein's field equations in general relativity as proposed by theoretical physicist Miguel Alcubierre, by which a spacecraft could achieve apparent faster-than-light travel if a configurable energy-density field lower than that of vacuum (that is, negative mass) could be created.

Rather than exceeding the speed of light within a local reference frame, a spacecraft would traverse distances by contracting space in front of it and expanding space behind it, resulting in effective faster-than-light travel. Objects cannot accelerate to the speed of light within normal spacetime; instead, the Alcubierre drive shifts space around an object so that the object would arrive at its destination faster than light would in normal space.[1]

Although the metric proposed by Alcubierre is mathematically valid (in that the proposal is consistent with the Einstein field equations), it may not be physically meaningful, in which case a drive will not be possible. Even if it is physically meaningful, its possibility would not necessarily mean that a drive can be constructed. The proposed mechanism of the Alcubierre drive implies a negative energy density and therefore requires exotic matter. So if exotic matter with the correct properties does not exist then the drive could not be constructed. However, at the close of his original paper[2] Alcubierre argued (following an argument developed by physicists analyzing traversable wormholes[3][4]) that the Casimir vacuum between parallel plates could fulfill the negative-energy requirement for the Alcubierre drive.

Another possible issue is that, although the Alcubierre metric is consistent with Einstein's equations, general relativity does not incorporate quantum mechanics. Some physicists have presented arguments to suggest that a theory of quantum gravity (which would incorporate both theories) would eliminate those solutions in general relativity that allow for backwards time travel (see the chronology protection conjecture) and thus make the Alcubierre drive invalid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Finally, the difficulties of interstellar travel are hopelessly complicated as soon as one introduces the word "colonization." When the first colonists landed on the Eastern seaboard, they came to a place that already had food, water, oxygen and soil rich in minerals that would support agriculture. Space colonization requires that man bring every life support element with him or the means to reproduce it during the journey and at the destination.

That's a hell of a lot to pack on top of your socks and underwear. And, oh, yeah, on those "generational" space excursions, what are you going to do about healthcare? And I don't mean just running on a treadmill and stretching your muscles with therabands. Even minor surgical procedures on Earth would be major challenges in space. Cancer treatment? Simple dentistry? Forget it!! See travails of current rescue mission in Antarctica for perspective. :rolleyes:

The inability of most people to think "long term" is admittedly problematic. But their inability to think realistically about transporting their fragile, perishable asses over interstellar distances is no less so.
 
We won't do it at the speed of light. I agree. I'm betting we won't see 10% of the speed of light. So that is 45 years to Alpha Centauri. 90 if we want to stop and have a walkabout. A generational ship for sure unless we develop some form of suspended animation.

I missed it because I had a good buzz going. So don't take me at my word concerning such things as interstellar travel, astrophysics and nuclear engine technology. And don't bring down my buzz by picking nits!

Still doable. We could can still colonize the galaxy in 500K years. Hell the sun is expected to last another 4.5 billion. So lets not quibble over a few percentage points and a few hundred thousands of kilometers and hour.

Nearest black hole is V4641 Sagittarii at 1600ly. Take a bit to get there. I doubt anyone could survive a transit through a black hole. If wormholes exist maybe would could send a data stream through but not likely physical stuff like people.

I like the Romulan warp drive with it's artificial black hole to warp space. But think you may need the Federations matter/anti-matter annihilation concept to generate enough power. Then we are talking close to 100% realization of energy potential.

The earth is overdue for a dinosaur killer. We may not even make Mars. Give us 10 years warning and maybe we could get a lifeboat to Mars with a select few.

How about detaching Europa from Jupiter's orbit as a fuel source and ablative shield for generational trip to Alpha Centauri using matter/anti-matter energy conversion power plant.

Good nyborg, man!
 
Double post due to site down @ 1amish I think.
 
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This is the point which the vast majority of people do not get. Faster than light travel is not merely scientifically impossible, it is mathematically impossible.


So how is it that you missed it? The "current rate of technological advancement" is irrelevant to suspending the laws of mathematics. As for warping spacetime:



Finally, the difficulties of interstellar travel are hopelessly complicated as soon as one introduces the word "colonization." When the first colonists landed on the Eastern seaboard, they came to a place that already had food, water, oxygen and soil rich in minerals that would support agriculture. Space colonization requires that man bring every life support element with him or the means to reproduce it during the journey and at the destination.

That's a hell of a lot to pack on top of your socks and underwear. And, oh, yeah, on those "generational" space excursions, what are you going to do about healthcare? And I don't mean just running on a treadmill and stretching your muscles with therabands. Even minor surgical procedures on Earth would be major challenges in space. Cancer treatment? Simple dentistry? Forget it!! See travails of current rescue mission in Antarctica for perspective. :rolleyes:

The inability of most people to think "long term" is admittedly problematic. But their inability to think realistically about transporting their fragile, perishable asses over interstellar distances is no less so.

We won't do it at the speed of light. I agree. I'm betting we won't see 10% of the speed of light. So that is 45 years to Alpha Centauri. 90 if we want to stop and have a walkabout. A generational ship for sure unless we develop some form of suspended animation.

I missed it because I had a good buzz going. So don't take me at my word concerning such things as interstellar travel, astrophysics and nuclear engine technology. And don't bring down my buzz by picking nits!

Still doable. We could can still colonize the galaxy in 500K years. Hell the sun is expected to last another 4.5 billion. So lets not quibble over a few percentage points and a few hundred thousands of kilometers and hour.

Nearest black hole is V4641 Sagittarii at 1600ly. Take a bit to get there. I doubt anyone could survive a transit through a black hole. If wormholes exist maybe would could send a data stream through but not likely physical stuff like people.

I like the Romulan warp drive with it's artificial black hole to warp space. But think you may need the Federations matter/anti-matter annihilation concept to generate enough power. Then we are talking close to 100% realization of energy potential.

The earth is overdue for a dinosaur killer. We may not even make Mars. Give us 10 years warning and maybe we could get a lifeboat to Mars with a select few.

How about detaching Europa from Jupiter's orbit as a fuel source and ablative shield for generational trip to Alpha Centauri using matter/anti-matter energy conversion power plant.

Good nyborg, man!

Y'know, I hate how our beloved Colonel sobers up every inspiring thread about us living our Star Trek dreams in reality, but he may have an even more sobering point...

The Dismal Future of Interstellar Travel

The Fly in the Ointment!

Andreas Hein, an engineer with the Icarus Interstellar Project, developed a rigorous method for forecasting the economics of interstellar travel, only to find that most economically plausible scenarios for a “Daedalus-type” mission would cost upwards of $174 trillion and require nearly 40 years of development and 0.4 percent of the world GDP. This would be for an unmanned, 50-year journey to Barnard’s Star using “fusion drive” technology. It consists of 50,000 tons of fuel and 500 tons of scientific equipment. Top speed: 12 percent of the speed of light.

All plausible interstellar missions require travel times of decades or centuries, which means the complex technology must be 100-percent reliable and/or self-repairing. There can be essentially no moving parts, because friction would create wear and tear over decades and centuries of use.

It is entirely plausible to think about kilogram-sized payloads that can be boosted to near-relativistic speeds very economically, but this is impractical because at the distance of the nearest stars, you need a powerful and massive transmitter that can relay data back to Earth, or what is the point of the journey? Even a Voyager-class spacecraft with, say, a “souped-up” megawatt radio transmitter could not be detected at Alpha Centauri by the largest Earth-based telescopes, even at data rates of 1 bit per year! A laser-based system would be highly directional and could possibly do the trick, but it would weigh tons, not kilograms.

One option could be a sophisticated nanotechnology system with a mass of a few dozen kilograms that would arrive at its destination, find an asteroid to mine, and then build from scratch a much more massive system capable of carrying out the scientific investigation and relaying the data back to Earth.

But the concept of sending humans to the stars makes no sense technologically, or at an economic scale that would interest humanity as it is currently constituted. Even if we were at the brink of extinction, do you really think that 7 or 10 billion humans would want to foot the bill and the decades-long effort to send a few lucky humans on a one-way trip to a distant planet — that may not even be habitable?


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-sten-odenwald/the-dismal-future-of-interstellar-travel_b_5965060.html


You know what, I don't care. I wanna still dream of us owning our own Millennium Falcons and space warping to where ever we want! :D
 
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The problem with immortality is youre likely to do the Holocaust thingy again.
 
Y'know, I hate how our beloved Colonel sobers up every inspiring thread about us living our Star Trek dreams in reality, but he may have an even more sobering point...

The Dismal Future of Interstellar Travel

The Fly in the Ointment!

Andreas Hein, an engineer with the Icarus Interstellar Project, developed a rigorous method for forecasting the economics of interstellar travel, only to find that most economically plausible scenarios for a “Daedalus-type” mission would cost upwards of $174 trillion and require nearly 40 years of development and 0.4 percent of the world GDP. This would be for an unmanned, 50-year journey to Barnard’s Star using “fusion drive” technology. It consists of 50,000 tons of fuel and 500 tons of scientific equipment. Top speed: 12 percent of the speed of light.

All plausible interstellar missions require travel times of decades or centuries, which means the complex technology must be 100-percent reliable and/or self-repairing. There can be essentially no moving parts, because friction would create wear and tear over decades and centuries of use.

It is entirely plausible to think about kilogram-sized payloads that can be boosted to near-relativistic speeds very economically, but this is impractical because at the distance of the nearest stars, you need a powerful and massive transmitter that can relay data back to Earth, or what is the point of the journey? Even a Voyager-class spacecraft with, say, a “souped-up” megawatt radio transmitter could not be detected at Alpha Centauri by the largest Earth-based telescopes, even at data rates of 1 bit per year! A laser-based system would be highly directional and could possibly do the trick, but it would weigh tons, not kilograms.

One option could be a sophisticated nanotechnology system with a mass of a few dozen kilograms that would arrive at its destination, find an asteroid to mine, and then build from scratch a much more massive system capable of carrying out the scientific investigation and relaying the data back to Earth.

But the concept of sending humans to the stars makes no sense technologically, or at an economic scale that would interest humanity as it is currently constituted. Even if we were at the brink of extinction, do you really think that 7 or 10 billion humans would want to foot the bill and the decades-long effort to send a few lucky humans on a one-way trip to a distant planet — that may not even be habitable?


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-sten-odenwald/the-dismal-future-of-interstellar-travel_b_5965060.html


You know what, I don't care. I wanna still dream of us owning our own Millennium Falcons and space warping to where ever we want! :D

Just doing my job, Zum. :D

And good on ya for finding that article. It raises the very relevant analogous question, "would automobiles have been invented if there was only enough oil in the entire world to power but a handful of them?"

But that last paragraph is truly the most definitive. I've always posed the following conversation stopping questions to space colonization advocates: How bad would conditions on Earth have to get to make it preferable to colonize,say, Mars? If we had somehow lost all breathable air, water and vegetation -- if our environment was depressingly as inert as Mars.....why the fuck would we want to go build biodomes on Mars? The moon is closer. For that matter, why not just do it here?

At that point, people are usually happy to discuss religion. ;)
 
Of course we ought to colonize where we can, learn from others when we meet them, grow and develop as a species. Of course we ought to seek to cure disease and live forever.

That's all I'm saying.

As for the Kennedy quote, we chose to go to the moon for some rather compelling political questions and issues at that time. But we've chosen not to return or attempt to stay permanently for even better ones.
 
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love life, enjoy all it can offer, appreciate its fleeting nature that makes living and breathing and loving all the more special


and i'm not that selfish: if everyone could live forever, how would the world cope with population? deny the most basic demand of existence to procreate to those who come after us? say to our own kids that they cannot have babies of their own? nah, if i live to 100 i'll be more than ready to say 'okay, i've had a good shot at things'.
 
That's all I'm saying.

As for the Kennedy quote, we chose to go to the moon for some rather compelling political questions and issues at that time. But we've chosen not to return or attempt to stay permanently for even better ones.

but aren't they currently planning return trips now?
 
but aren't they currently planning return trips now?

Indeed they are, but the underlying scientific rationales for those missions are highly suspect imho and may yet prove to be the fatal blow to actually launching them. Truth be known, I think the motivation is primarily to satisfy that human space travel wanderlust so many of us have.

Zumi's indictment of me notwithstanding, I had it big time as a kid all through projects Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. And a lunar mission today would still be "fun to see." I haven't lost all my romantic genes. :D

But, alas, some hormonal thrills are still better suppressed than pursued.
 
Sure providing its not some Monkey Paw type situation where I'm immortal but a quadriplegic.

Also as along as I never turn as whiny or wimpy or wussy as Anne Rice's vampires. Most pathetic immortals ever created. :rolleyes:
 
There's so much out there in the Universe, I refuse to accept that we'll never be able to explore it.*

I also think it's a tragedy that we only get 70-80 years to experience it.



*Assuming we survive (or evolve) as a species, of course.
 
Big problem would be income, social security is already going to be gone well before the millennials can retire so we'd have to work forever.:eek:
 
Indeed they are, but the underlying scientific rationales for those missions are highly suspect imho and may yet prove to be the fatal blow to actually launching them. Truth be known, I think the motivation is primarily to satisfy that human space travel wanderlust so many of us have.

Zumi's indictment of me notwithstanding, I had it big time as a kid all through projects Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. And a lunar mission today would still be "fun to see." I haven't lost all my romantic genes. :D

But, alas, some hormonal thrills are still better suppressed than pursued.

time moves on, colonel, with or without us :rose:
 
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love life, enjoy all it can offer, appreciate its fleeting nature that makes living and breathing and loving all the more special


and i'm not that selfish: if everyone could live forever, how would the world cope with population? deny the most basic demand of existence to procreate to those who come after us? say to our own kids that they cannot have babies of their own? nah, if i live to 100 i'll be more than ready to say 'okay, i've had a good shot at things'.

Don't leave without your 'poems.'
 
Another famous quotation, explaining why we should set our eyes on the stars.

'Like it or not, for the moment, here we make our stand.'

Well, I like it not.

That's interesting. I read it as Sagan agreeing with me.

"Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe are challenged by this point of pale light.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image. To me it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot. The only home we've ever known."

It is our delusional self-importance to believe man is not saddled with unconquerable limits, and it is the most unflattering and obstinate contradiction of exploratory courage to deny those limits once they been challenged and regrettably encountered.

It is the "folly of human conceits" that continues to fuel the fiction of interstellar much less intergalactic human space travel. Clearly, astronomy alone has not been sufficiently humbling or character building.

But you're still one of my favorite posters, Des. :cool:
 
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