Important Subforum Vote

[WickedEve]

It's the most rational thing I've heard yet about this subforum. And that includes everything I've said. Senna never fails to surprise me though when I think about it, it's a pretty characteristic thing for him to say.

So, if the vote is to get rid of the hangout, then we keep the subforum, change the name (or not) and just rethink how the subforum is used. Sounds good.

 

[Angeline]

So, if the vote is to get rid of the hangout, then we keep the subforum, change the name (or not) and just rethink how the subforum is used. Sounds good.

I guess, but maybe that will irritate those who think we should only have one forum. We had a discussion circle and no one used it. I have to admit I never liked it and rarely posted there. I have no problem with a Hangout primarily for non-poetry writing, but others feel very strongly that we shouldn't have a subforum for that purpose. So what else could we do with a subforum? The only other thing I can think of is having all the Survivor stuff in a subforum, but others may have other and/or better ideas.

I agree with Senna that this extra forum is a gift not to be squandered. And I especially hope that hard feelings at each other or us or me doesn't blind people to the notion that it is positive to have this extra place. But...if people don't want that, I'm not arguing. What I want most of all is to write poetry and enjoy myself here like I always have until the past few months. (I know I sound like a broken record, but that's the truth.) If giving up this extra space will make people happy, I'll do that, too. If we do, well, I think it's a mistake, but I won't regret it if that's what it takes to make people comfortable here.

I know there has been a lot of smack talk flying from all sides, and I wish we'd all just take a few steps back and think about our priorities for this place. I know a few here think I (or you and I) are the problem, but I don't believe that. We may not have helped matters with a few decisions we've made but I know we do a good job.

 

[WickedEve]

Angeline]I guess, but maybe that will irritate those who think we should only have one forum. Oh, god... lol We had a discussion circle and no one used it. I have to admit I never liked it and rarely posted there. I have no problem with a Hangout primarily for non-poetry writing, but others feel very strongly that we shouldn't have a subforum for that purpose. So what else could we do with a subforum? The only other thing I can think of is having all the Survivor stuff in a subforum, but others may have other and/or better ideas. Hmm... survivor forum. That's possible. Or the All About Wicked Eve subforum.

 

[Angeline]

Angeline]I guess, but maybe that will irritate those who think we should only have one forum. Oh, god... lol We had a discussion circle and no one used it. I have to admit I never liked it and rarely posted there. I have no problem with a Hangout primarily for non-poetry writing, but others feel very strongly that we shouldn't have a subforum for that purpose. So what else could we do with a subforum? The only other thing I can think of is having all the Survivor stuff in a subforum, but others may have other and/or better ideas. Hmm... survivor forum. That's possible. Or the All About Wicked Eve subforum.

You just reminded me that I have to send you poetry. None of it's about you...maybe one of them.

 

[LadynStFreknBed]

I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with unrelated chat among people who write poetry in a poetry subforum. I think that a place for socializing should be retained. Socializing in and of itself can be a positive. Just look at Hmmnmm's thread if there is any doubt to that.

Having said that, there are things that could be added to a subforum that could benefit those who think the poetry forums need to focus on poetry. The main forum is about sharing poetry, discussing forms, participating in challenges, and discussing poems. The primary purpose of the subforum could be to discuss topics related to writing poetry. Honestly, there is usually so much that I wish I could discuss with people, but I really don't have a place to do it unless a related topic comes up in one of my psychology classes. I'm talking about philosophy, applied psychology, sociology, mythology, history, quantum physics, etc. In other words, potential FUEL for poetry.

I'd love to see the subforum be fuel for poetry with the main forum being the fire.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

So, if the vote is to get rid of the hangout, then we keep the subforum, change the name (or not) and just rethink how the subforum is used. Sounds good.

What's the hangout if it's not a subforum already? A rose by any other name ....
I know that I for one wouldn't be here nearly half as much if the place was just poetry (that would please one or two!) and there was nowhere to natter amongst friends

 

[WickedEve]

What's the hangout if it's not a subforum already? A rose by any other name ....
I know that I for one wouldn't be here nearly half as much if the place was just poetry (that would please one or two!) and there was nowhere to natter amongst friends

The hangout is a subforum. And the subforum is the hangout. But we call it spectacular testicular happening spot. Well, we could!

 

[champagne1982]

The hangout is a subforum. And the subforum is the hangout. But we call it spectacular testicular happening spot. Well, we could!

I'm getting a headache.

Why not just keep the damn thing as an unmoderated (except for stickies and spam posts) Poet's Hangout, much like the AH?

We can have the pH... just because of it's chemistry (subtext for geeks).

If the thing starts looking too much like the GB we could likely count on the participants to haul it back on track, much like the folks over at the AH often do.

 

[Safe_Bet]

The hangout is a subforum. And the subforum is the hangout. But we call it spectacular testicular happening spot. Well, we could!

No. No I just don't think that is quite right... Tremendous Twat Snogger's Spot is MUCH nicer, don't you think?

 

[annaswirls]

I'm getting a headache.

Why not just keep the damn thing as an unmoderated (except for stickies and spam posts) Poet's Hangout, much like the AH?

We can have the pH... just because of it's chemistry (subtext for geeks).

If the thing starts looking too much like the GB we could likely count on the participants to haul it back on track, much like the folks over at the AH often do.

I like the idea of unmoderated subforum. Why not? It would give the mods a break too!

It might be interesting to just allow the spam for a couple of weeks, just so people appreciate the moderator's jobs.

 

[Angeline]

I like the idea of unmoderated subforum. Why not? It would give the mods a break too!

It might be interesting to just allow the spam for a couple of weeks, just so people appreciate the moderator's jobs.

I'll vote for it, too. I think people would look out for each other, like Champ said. The rules, which are Lit's and not the mods, stay of course but otherwise people can do what they want. And if that's the policy and Person A doesn't like Person B and Person C gets mad at them both, I have no help or advice to offer other than use ignore and write a poem.

And thanks A, sometimes it is not the funnest thing around, moderating. Actually spammers would prolly be less apt to even notice this place because it's not listed on the main forum page.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Mmmm.... I wouldn't mind being "moderated"... just saying!

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I wonder how I found it then must have been that big grappling hook you extended when I posted

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Mmmm.... I wouldn't mind being "moderated"... just saying!

moderate and you in same sentence? ..........chokes

 

[Senna Jawa]

I'm curious if you have any specific suggestions.

I have a few ideas (but of course ). The first, the most natural and the main one is evolutionary, to keep the things the way they are but more consistently so, so that nobody feels discriminated against.

I'd add a subtitle to Poet's Hangout:

Paraphernalia -&- chat.
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The division cannot be laser sharp but it can be quite clear. The main forum would have only poems, discussions about poems, overviews of poems, information about known poets, discussions about the poetic styles and forms, discussions about strictly artistic and poetic technical aspects of poems, history of poetry...

The Hangout would be the place for chats, flirts, blogs (including "Lit blog"), information about poetic competitions, magazines, ... while the main forum would receive the "dirty 30 in 30", etc. (The idea of "dirty 30 in 30" is still beyond me, but never mind, we are discussing here where does it belong, and not "why at all?").

When there is a gray area, let's not worry too much whether the thread should be in one place or another. It's not such a big deal. Let's just have the discipline in the follow up posts to make such a gray area thread look like it belongs to the given forum/subforum or else let's start a new thread in the other one.

Let me give an idea of the demarcation line. When you claim that words like "soul" and "heart" are preferably avoided (or that they should be inserted a lot ) in a poem then your pronouncement belongs to the main forum. When you advise someone, who has a writing block: scratch simultaneously your butt with your left hand, and your head with your right leg, then post it in the subforum, because this belongs to paraphernalia, not to the artistic technique. Another example--say, you want to assist us in winning poetic competitions. You say: play it safe, have in your poem an introduction, develop the theme, and then have the ending clause. Whether it is a good or a bad advice is irrelevant here, to this discussion. This advice belongs to the main forum. When you advise: attach a polite letter, use a professional word editor, so that your piece and your letter look like coming from a Noble prize winner, then your suggestion belongs to Hangout. Etc.

You don't have to grasp the division perfectly. Just truly try your best. It's enough that mods will think about it a bit more and have more or less a good judgment (which they do). With just a little bit of a good will on the participants part, the need to move a thread will occur extremely rarely, mostly because of newbes.

What about sticky threads? Should all of them be in the main forum? Or should they be split? It can be either way, it makes no crucial difference. I'd split them. I'd direct the info about magazines and competitions to Hangout. The main forum may have (and it already does) the info about the sticky threads in the Welcome message, and there may be one meta-thread which continuously provides links to and updates info about all sticky threads.

I hope that more consistent application of the idea of subdividing our forum into its "solid", purely artistic part (the main forum), and its lighter part (subforum) will diminish the present tensions and bad feelings.

Last Remark: Hangout is going to be much more popular that the main forum. It'd be logical to switch them around: to have tha main forum for paraphernalia and chat, and the subforum for poetry. But we are humans and not robots, so we should keep things suboptimal. Otherwise we would admit to a HUGE defeat. We are humans, which means a bit of hypocrites, ergo: let the main forum be for poetry, and the subforum for paraphernalia.

Regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

Found Eve's chamberpot and was shocked .....

Easy -- Eve has written "chamber pot", not "chamber spot" (but you have found it anyway ).

Regards,

 

[Angeline]

Mmmm.... I wouldn't mind being "moderated"... just saying!

Can you be? You seem awfully toppy to me. Can I ask Amy?

 

[Safe_Bet]

Can you be? You seem awfully toppy to me. Can I ask Amy?

She'll tell you that with a firm hand I'm VERY nice, polite and even obedient. You just gotta be woman enough to tame me, so to speak!

(Damn, if she thinks I'M toppy Amy is going to come as one hell of a shock! )

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Wonders what a chamber spot is ........ where you play chamber music? *note did not say water music*

 

[bluebell]

The good lord has laid upon my head a hangover. The discomfort is profound. Yet it would have to be profound because I was shown a great glade equally profound while walking on the road of reddish wine. This is not the time or the place to deliver the sermon (not a preachy sermon, a good sermon, a sermon to inspire and to give abundant globs of goodness upon upturned faces and other parts, within and without), but maybe just this: the Internet, the very nature of the Internet, tempts division.

Ouch.

The divisions themselves are neither good or bad (another Continuum!). They just are. It just is. That way. If this was my baby, I might entertain a beautiful vision that it should grow and be as it is, and enact a mostly Hands-off policy. That would be Ideal. Unfortunately, Reality can force the idealist to consider modification as unexpected developments take their turns. So it is not hard at all to see the developing pattern and think "maybe this Thing that grows would benefit with a touch of organization." But you can't know for sure. Can't. Until you try. Maybe you try it. And the Creature squirms and screams. Not happy. Or maybe the Creature looks around, nods its many heads, and say, 'yeah, good idea; was getting little cluttered. Thanks!'

But maybe some of the Creature's heads are elsewhere. They are thinking about all the wonderful ways to look upon... well all kinds of wonderful worlds. They really don't care.

Ouch.

Ouch.

Okay.

The good lord just sent a message that it is time to cease this post composition.

I didn't vote.

Because it's like voting to lick a bushy pussy or a bald pussy. No preference. Happy to lick either.

Or both.

Ouch.

Amen.

Hands down, one of the best posts I've ever read.

 

[hmmnmm]

Hands down, one of the best posts I've ever read.

oh quit it.
and I'm not at all ashamed to admit I inadvertently picked up some of your style of which it wouldn't be hard to see a few dots in an occasional paragraph. So thank You.