Is Mother Nature pissed?

[cloudy]

Nature isn't pissed. As much as we as humans would love to have that as the main reason.
Nature, unlike humans can tell when its resources have dimminished and therefore is seeking to cleanse itself and rebuild.
Reset if you will.

I think a Mars colony is a very bad idea. If we were intended to live on Mars, we would've been there in the first place.
Besides, many of Mars' conditions are not exactly optimal for human survival.

On a side note, Dairy Queen has nothing to do with the weather, it's just some stupid marketing person who thought that was the best way to express how cold their frozen treats are.

My, aren't we literal today?

 

[NocturnalNett]

My, aren't we literal today?

I try to be literal everyday, it makes me feel smart
And I have a vendetta against Dairy Queen...

 

[SeaCat]

Mama Nature isn't pissed, she's just having that change in life.

Ducking and running for cover.


Cat

 

[cantdog]

I think a Mars colony is a very bad idea. If we were intended to live on Mars, we would've been there in the first place.
Besides, many of Mars' conditions are not exactly optimal for human survival.

Actually, the best place for the off-planet colonies has always been high orbit and the orbital equilibrium points. Once you've invested all that energy to climb out of the gravity well of this planet, why go back down?

In high orbit or at L5, for instance, you'd have vacuum, heat, cold, and weightlessness ready to hand, mirrors can concentrate amazing temperatures for no outlay beyond initial fabrication of the mirrors. Cheap energy. No atmospheric difficulties for astronomy (every binocular is a Hubble!). And with good design, you can have gravity to order, by spinning. You'd need stations on the moon to catapult raw materials to you, but with cheap energy, getting oxygen is no problem.

It's pure planetary chauvinism to prefer another planet. Mars can be very distant, but the space colonies will be quite close.

cantdog

 

[NocturnalNett]

It's pure planetary chauvinism to prefer another planet. Mars can be very distant, but the space colonies will be quite close.

cantdog

It -is- chauvanism, we've got one planet, who are we to think we're entitled to anymore?

By the way, that was one of the best explainations I've heard in a long while...

But lets talk Elitists and what about "who gets to go first". In fear and panic all of what you just summed up won't be taken into consideration, people will be too busy fighting over who gets away from all of this first.
Lets face it, logics and reasoning are the last thing on anyone's mind when possible death is impending.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

I'm gonna have to go with the reality TV choice.

Humans? Can't stand em.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

It -is- chauvanism, we've got one planet, who are we to think we're entitled to anymore?

I can't fucking say how much I agree!!!

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

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Yeah, "Disasters $1.99".

Personally I think we should get the ball rolling on the Mars colony. It's never too early to start fucking up a whole new planet.

What? You didn't hear? Germany's already made progress on Saturn.

 

[NocturnalNett]

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What? You didn't hear? Germany's already made progress on Saturn.

Good God, it's going to be one big rat race to see who can get which plant first...

"Houston, we have Jupiter"

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

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Good God, it's going to be one big rat race to see who can get which plant first...

"Houston, we have Jupiter"

Lmao on that note, go see the Saturn thread.

 

[cantdog]

It -is- chauvanism, we've got one planet, who are we to think we're entitled to anymore?

By the way, that was one of the best explainations I've heard in a long while...

But lets talk Elitists and what about "who gets to go first". In fear and panic all of what you just summed up won't be taken into consideration, people will be too busy fighting over who gets away from all of this first.
Lets face it, logics and reasoning are the last thing on anyone's mind when possible death is impending.

You might not like it there. Talk about your company store! The stations are very likely, at first, to be military enclaves, part of the militarization of space. The next wave looks like corporations. Gene-splicers, testing the new organisms in the only safe place. Ball bearing manufacture-- droplets of a certain size make perfect spheres, heating and cooling with mirrors, moving them with magnets, powered by the world's cheapest electricity. Other orbital manufactures. Corporate enclaves of the Military-industrial complex, providing metal, oxygen, and sheathing against cosmic rays with the tailings, water, and all that jive.

These corporate places will be the most secure workplaces ever devised, because of the extreme fear of sabotage. There would have been less sabotage likely if they hadn't militarized, but there you are. Security plus an absolutely captive labor force, already representing an investment, just to get them up there. Some may be indentured; if they are, the corps will prefer to limit the non-indentured people who are allowed up. The workers and their dependents will be absolutely dependent on the corps for food, water, cubic, air, everything.

The early pop of these places will be little better than slaves. Military people already sign away their civil rights when they enlist, but their slavery is limited by long precedent, and their condition will seem an enviable one to the average mill hand up there.

Heh.

 

[NocturnalNett]

You might not like it there. Talk about your company store! The stations are very likely, at first, to be military enclaves, part of the militarization of space. The next wave looks like corporations. Gene-splicers, testing the new organisms in the only safe place. Ball bearing manufacture-- droplets of a certain size make perfect spheres, heating and cooling with mirrors, moving them with magnets, powered by the world's cheapest electricity. Other orbital manufactures. Corporate enclaves of the Military-industrial complex, providing metal, oxygen, and sheathing against cosmic rays with the tailings, water, and all that jive.

These corporate places will be the most secure workplaces ever devised, because of the extreme fear of sabotage. There would have been less sabotage likely if they hadn't militarized, but there you are. Security plus an absolutely captive labor force, already representing an investment, just to get them up there. Some may be indentured; if they are, the corps will prefer to limit the non-indentured people who are allowed up. The workers and their dependents will be absolutely dependent on the corps for food, water, cubic, air, everything.

The early pop of these places will be little better than slaves. Military people already sign away their civil rights when they enlist, but their slavery is limited by long precedent, and their condition will seem an enviable one to the average mill hand up there.

Heh.

Oh I don't wanna go honey. I was born here and I'm gonna die here.

Have you ever watched the movie Resident Evil? In it, a large co-operation was so afraid of sabotage that they had their entire company moved underground into a giant hive.
Big companies, just like the government are willing to risk human life to get what they want...
Who knows what's out there in space? And no, I'm not talking about aliens

 

[Weird Harold]

What do we do, build houses 3 feet from the sea, build factories on the flood plains, tear all the trees off the side of a hill, etc, etc... Then moan like fuck when it all goes pear shaped.

Monday of this week, local television showd some rather dramatic footage of a house falling into the Virgin River as the flood waters washed the bank away in ten foot deep by five foot thick chunks.

The previous evening, that house sat 200 YARDS from the river and at least one foot above the hundred-year-flood level.

Californians, and others, do tend to build in more disaster prone areas, but not all of the places flooded recently were built without regard to the risks.

Also, currently three state highways are closed and the community of Mt Chareston is evacuated because of avalanche dangers -- something that is unique in recorded history in this region.

Southern Nevada isn't a place where "natural disasters" are "something to worry about," yet even the most pessimistic building codes and restrictions would have prepared us for the last week or two.

Nor is Southern Nevada unique in having "Mother Nature" make a mockery of preparations and precautions against floods and other natural disasters this year.

Despite all of the flooding, and record rainfall levels, there is still no prospect of the drought we've ben under for the last five years being over.

I don't believe that "Mother Nature is pissed or that mankind is stupidly building in the riskiest places possible. I do believe that we (mankind) don't know enough about what Mother Nature can and will do to us unless we all move to someplace like Cheyenne Mountain -- and even then there are bound to be surprises in store for us.